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Re: Libertinage [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5589656 - 05/04/06 11:21 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Skorp, I see your view and yet, aren't you doing the same thing others do when they shake their head in disapproval and disgust of homosexuality, or men enjoying hetero anal stimulation? Are not your comments based on your personal views of how people should act regarding feeding themselves in public?

Yes, I am essentially doing the same thing others do when they disapprove of other's actions - but not for the same content-specific reasons, nor in the same manner. Regardless of my personal disagreements, I still respected the traditions that the Hindu family [who was visiting a friend's stepmother who was a Hindu as well]. Are my comments are based on my own personal premises, conclusions and values? Most certamente, mademoiselle.



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Re: Libertinage [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5589726 - 05/04/06 11:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have a reply before this to your last one. I forgot to address this quote-


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Mush said:
Tits are illegal. You can show breast enlargement surgery on TV, as long as the nipple is blurred.




They are not illegal. Adults are free to buy porn, go to and work at strip clubs, WATCH porn channels being broadcasts on American cable and satellite television, and bare all at nudist colonies and beaches.

American adults are not as uptight as it may appear about sexuality. Most of the barring and shock reaction is related to when CHILDREN, are being over sexualized by modern society. Peoples young children watch football.

However, what the hell was the real difference anyway when Justine was singing about wanting to take her clothes off. Weren't their young kids listening asking mommy and daddy why he wants to do that?:lol:

Look at music lyrics in todays "pop", popular music compared to that of 30 years ago?  It's highly sexualized. Times are changing mush and I just don't think taboo sexuality is as shocking as it use to be, (save for when children are exposed to images of it). If you want to rebel and feel liberated from social oppression and get your rocks off on it, take your Girlfriend out to dinner and do exactly what skorp frowned on. :yesnod:

I bet you would get more shocked reaction for being just socially "wrong" by wearing your under ware on the outside of your jeans, or a sexy bra over your shirt (being a male) then you would by wearing a T-shirt that says, "I enjoy hetero anal stimulation".

People would call you more of a freak for the former then the later.

:lol: Seriously!

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Re: Libertinage [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5590244 - 05/04/06 02:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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From a fairly young age, around 15 or so, I've considered perversity to be a virtue. I was fired from my previous job for brazenly reading a pornographic magazine and am quite proud of that accomplishment. I've also had an entertaining adventure into sadism (which I will not discuss here).

I consider perversity and sexual deviation as a type of reactive nihilism against the herd's silly taboos. Ironically, I also think far too many people are unhealthily obsessed with sex. Sex is not something I value per se, rather I value sexual acts which violate some established taboo. Why? Simply because it is a rebellion against the herd mentality which seems to be deeply entrenched in the sexual arena. How many times does a man openly admit he likes a little prostate stimulation? Hardly ever, if at all. And, how many of you would think "gross" when you heard him admit it?

By the way Skorpie, nice sig.  :wink:




so you value incest, child porn and beastiality? these are the only sexual acts which are truly taboo in our society.


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Re: Libertinage [Re: porcupine]
    #5590270 - 05/04/06 02:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

don't forget snuff.


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Re: Libertinage [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5590358 - 05/04/06 02:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

So it's a virtue to sleep with your sister?

Yes.

Times are changing mush and I just don't think taboo sexuality is as shocking as it use to be

Timid heterosexual scared-to-do-anything-but-missionary-position sexuality isn't taboo. But, as a person who has been banned for posting a picture of a shemale in that pinnacle of enlightenment we call "the Pub", I can say with a reasonable amount of experience that most non-ordinary sexual activity is still quite taboo. Apparently, a picture of a dick is "offensive to most people in the same way scat pics are."

I shouldn't need to point out again how many times I've seen people give Skorpie shit because of his new signature. If homosexuality is taboo on the internet, the most progressive area of thought in the entire world, don't you think its probably still taboo in bovine America?

I wore neon green short-shorts for an entire year in Highschool gym class. Nobody gives a shit. No one is offended. At most, something like this is just entertaining. By contrast, when I've talked about something as simple as having a girl sit on my face, people have refused to continuing talking with me and walked away.

People would call you more of a freak for the former then the later.

I know from experience that this isn't so.

so you value incest, child porn and beastiality?

Ad augusta per angusta


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Re: Libertinage [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5590482 - 05/04/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Hey! You were mixing in porcupines response to you with your response to me. I don;t care to get into a debate over the morality and proposed virtues of incest, child porn and bestiality.

The bottom line is, if you need to feel liberated and find ways to feel that then go for it. I would just watch for what is illegal. Think of anything that most people would feel embarrassed or ashamed to do in public (thats legal) and go out there and do it everyday to get your rebel kicks! I was giving suggestions trying to help you out there! :wink:

If you find whats working for you to work then, enjoy your liberation.

Every time I open up publicly about (non missionary and no children or animals involved) sex, people just seem to get turned on, not turned off. :shrug:

It must be your delivery that is offensive. Maybe Americans are more opposed to crude deliveries then sexuality itself.:shrug:

Maybe its when its objectified it just becomes offensive to the soul that wants recognition in the acts. :shrug:


No doubt, other countries are less uptight. America has a come along way in the last few decades though. Give credit where its due.

It's your body and life. :thumbup: You're having a different experience with peoples shock meters then I have had it seems. I don't know how far I would have to go pushing the boundaries in public before someone said, "hey knock that off around here."

Here's where I sit looking at all of this right now. Offending people is easy because people are easily offended in general by some of the most casual and mundane of things.

Takes no great skill to do that. Where's the rush to what comes easy?

Regarding liberation, how far can you go "in public" allowing yourself to feel free and comfortable breaking social norms, that would make others feel embarrassed or ashamed, without care? That's when you know you accomplished some actual liberation from the BS.

If the only reason you do it is to shock and offend others then, they are your master and you're working slave labor for them. Maybe thats the point for you regarding some sort of perverted submissive S&M twist enjoying being bound up and tied by society having its way with you. :lol:

What if nothing you did or said garnered a shocking or disapproving reaction anymore? How would you get your kicks then?

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Re: Libertinage [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5590552 - 05/04/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

the only reason you do it is to shock and offend others

No, it's more like:

-Scene 1, Act 1-

Ernest: "This is forbidden behavior. You cannot do this. This is wrong and unnatural."
Mushman: "Can't do this, eh? Why's that?"
Ernest: "This action offends the Lord. It is sinful and disgusting. The people will surely condemn you for such foul, despicable actions."
Mushman: "Everything is permissible. Audaces fortuna iuvat."
[Mushman buggers a goat.]
Mushman: "I wasn't allowed to do THAT, you say?"
Ernest: "Ah, ye wretched dissolute creature! Ah, the hellfires await thee!"
Mushman: "Blow it out yer ass, Ernest. There is no governor anywhere."


If a person, ideology, societal norm, etc tells me I cannot do something, I'll be very inclined to do it. :syringe:

What if nothing you did or said garnered a shocking or disapproving reaction anymore? How would you get your kicks then?

As long as "No Parking" signs exist, I will be satisfied.
"Can't park here, eh? I'll show you a thing or two!"


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Re: Libertinage [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5590565 - 05/04/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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If a person, ideology, societal norm, etc tells me I cannot do something, I'll be very inclined to do it.



Am I to believe, then, that you are a mass murder, a thief, and a con artist? Sometimes taboos are there for a reason.


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Re: Libertinage [Re: Silversoul]
    #5590569 - 05/04/06 03:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'd lie if I told you I've never considered murdering someone.

I've stolen things before and, as an immoralist, don't consider it to be 'morally wrong', but I don't often steal. The benefits don't seem to outweigh the risks. Sometimes, rebellion is only enjoyable when you get away with it.


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Re: Libertinage [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5590616 - 05/04/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

So you believe you should be free to tie up parking spots that stores reserved for their handicapped customers and to tie up parking spots to keep the way open for a fire truck if one needs to get in close to hydrant? :confused:

Sounds to me like your need to feel liberated even has to come at the expense of others safety or health. If not that, it sounds like, risking imprisonment to feel free is what gets you off.:shrug: Some laws are simply human made because they are meant to keep us safe and even non god believing fearing people agree with them. Consider that.

I can't figure out exactly where you are coming from with all of this or what we are suppose to be talking about here. Maybe you just wanted to share with us what turns you on sexually. I dunno, but I would suspect you'll appreciate this joke-



this guy and his wife buy a sheep farm and after a little while he realizes that none of the sheep are getting pregnant.

having never worked with sheep before he seeks out advise from the vet! the vet suggests that if the sheep do not show signs of being pregnant then artificial insemination could be the the only option left! the guy asks the vet what the signs for the sheep being pregnant are and the vet says the sheep lay down alot especially in the morning!

so he looks out of his bedroom window at the sheep for months... and they are not lying down at all in the mornings..

he starts to think about artificial insemination being the only way.. the trouble is he has no idea what it is and does not want to appear stupid to the vet!

so after a long think he decides that it must mean he makes them pregnant!

so the next morning he loads them all into his landrover and takes them to a woods and shags them all once..

the next morning he wakes up looks out the window and there they are walking about happy as larry..

once again he gets out his landrover, loads up the sheep and shags them again.

the next morning the same thing happens he gets out of bed a bit bleary eyed and there they are all walking about...

with a fierce bout of determination he goes and gets his landrover. loads up the sheep. takes them to a woods and shags them all all day!

the next morning he cant even open both eyes let alone get out of bed to go to the window and look!
so he says to his wife

" darling, please tell me what the sheep are doing?"
she replies" they are up to something very odd!"
"what is it?" he replies
" well they are all getting into the landrover and there is a couple of them honking the horn......


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Re: Libertinage [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5590734 - 05/04/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Mushman. We, us, humans for the most part seem to be excessively afraid of all the energy in the sexual experience. Look at how religion handles it. FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR of life energy.  :frown:


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Re: Libertinage [Re: Icelander]
    #5590767 - 05/04/06 05:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Mushman. We, us, humans for the most part seem to be excessively afraid of all the energy in the sexual experience. Look at how religion handles it. FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR of life energy.  :frown:





none of the religions ive studied have ever taugt me too fear sex.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Libertinage [Re: Deviate]
    #5590781 - 05/04/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Think again. Most religions either confine sex to marriage, or between man and woman only, or maintain that celebacy is a preferred state for spiritual growth.


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Re: Libertinage [Re: Icelander]
    #5590785 - 05/04/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Think again. Most religions either confine sex to marriage, or between man and woman only, or maintain that celebacy is a preferred state for spiritual growth.



That is not fear. That is recognition and respect for the power of sex.


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Re: Libertinage [Re: Icelander]
    #5590790 - 05/04/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Think again. Most religions either confine sex to marriage, or between man and woman only, or maintain that celebacy is a preferred state for spiritual growth.




as paradigm said, that's not fear. and its most certainly not fear in capital letters 10 times.


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Re: Libertinage [Re: Deviate]
    #5590808 - 05/04/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It's fear of sex and the desire of the priests to take the power from women.


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Re: Libertinage [Re: Icelander]
    #5590817 - 05/04/06 05:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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It's fear of sex and the desire of the priests to take the power from women.



Then why have some of the most egalitarian religious groups(Gnostics, Shakers, etc.) practiced celibacy?


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Re: Libertinage [Re: Silversoul]
    #5590845 - 05/04/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Fear of sex.

Tantra is the only spiritual path that embraces sex as a way to self realization. And most want to call it a "Left hand path"  :tongue:


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Re: Libertinage [Re: Icelander]
    #5590853 - 05/04/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Fear of sex.

Tantra is the only spiritual path that embraces sex as a way to self realization. And most want to call it a "Left hand path"  :tongue:



You're talking out your ass, and obviously know nothing of tantra.  Tantra allows sex only insofar as one can avoid attachment to the act.  That's the point of tantra:  to participate in otherwise indulgent behavior while remaining unattached to the pleasure it brings.  It's a sort of chemotherapy for the soul.  It is precisely because tantra fears sexual desire that it uses it as an exercise in self-control.


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Re: Libertinage [Re: Silversoul]
    #5590922 - 05/04/06 06:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'm talking about Western Tantra. There's more than eastern religion you know. It's relationship oriented and definately about pleasure and the joy and bliss of that pleasure. Tell me Mr. Out your ass. Ever been with a women who practices tantra seriously? I surely doubt it. I have and let me tell you spirit and pleasure were both part of the experience.

Again religion for the most part fears the power of natural sex. Look at the Catholic church and all the trouble they are having because of their repressive sexual practices. Very enlightened.

Somehow in the male nature it's become the fasion to deny the pleasures of the body and call that spiritual. IMO I don't see much real spirituality in spirituality these days. And it's interesting you would start to flame me when I meantion fear and sex. As Freud would say. Very interesting.


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