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mungojerry
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could a religious approach be used to decriminalize mushrooms
#5588006 - 05/03/06 09:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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when i do shrooms it truly is a spiritual and beautiful religious experience....the fact that its illegal would violate or limit my right to freedom of religion....Would any state listen and consider this? arent some indians allowed to do shrooms and peyote on their reservation?
regardless I WILL TRY THIS SOMEDAY IN THE NEAR FUTURE
heres something similar i found in the drug war arena section of this site
http://www.clickpress.com/releases/Detailed/12138005cp.shtml http://temple420.org
now i am sincere in that i use mushrooms as a form of religion and enlightenment and the government limits my religion
im not tryin to start a church to legalize it if thats what u think i mean
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Re: could a religious approach be used to decriminalize mushrooms [Re: mungojerry]
#5588226 - 05/03/06 10:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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As most know, Leary tried this with acid. I'm sure you know how that turned out.
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bodhisattva
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Re: could a religious approach be used to decriminalize mushrooms [Re: fazdazzle]
#5588409 - 05/03/06 11:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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From what I understand, in Feb. 2006 the supreme court ruled that religious groups can drink ayahuasca. So, here's the plan: we find somebody who was charged with posession of psychoactive mushrooms, we create a fundraiser to hire a good lawyer, and we argue that people should be allowed to take mushrooms as a religious sacrament
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mungojerry
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Re: could a religious approach be used to decriminalize mushrooms [Re: bodhisattva]
#5588461 - 05/03/06 11:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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thats exactly what they are sacraments
could someone direct me to when leary did this ive searched but found little...i want to know there reason for denying it
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bodhisattva
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Re: could a religious approach be used to decriminalize mushrooms [Re: mungojerry]
#5588496 - 05/03/06 11:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The thing is, the ayahuasca people had their own church and religion. If somebody decides to argue that mushrooms are a religious sacrament, it's going to be harder because the majority of the public concieves a religion as a going-to-a-church/temple thing. And taking mushrooms is usually done solo or in small groups. But perhaps, if a bunch of people show up for the trial to testify that they use mushrooms to achieve a mystical experience, ...who knows
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Re: could a religious approach be used to decriminalize mushrooms [Re: bodhisattva]
#5588852 - 05/04/06 01:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, if you think you can beat back our theocracy enough to get such a religion recognized go for it. Still, it feels wrong to me to have to resort to calling on the name of religion to justify the use of such an amazing plant. In my mind it cheapens it somehow. I use these things, call them sacraments if you will, to escape certain limitations in thought that we all have. I use them to break down boundaries and prejudices in my mind and look at the big picture. What I'm trying (poorly) to communicate is that mushies to me represent freedom of the mind. Therefore to settle for anything less than the absolute abolition of all drug laws, indeed all laws period that force one groups morals on another seems to me a kind of heresy. I don't want to have to lie to join a religion just so I can "legally" take a plant for my own spiritual uses. That lie would taint it. Meh, I always end up waxing philosophical when I'm too tired to be coherent so sorry if this all sounds like a cluster fuck of words. Night!
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otr317
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Re: could a religious approach be used to decriminalize mushrooms [Re: EmpTyCLosEtSpAcE]
#5590143 - 05/04/06 01:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i somewhat agree with you emptyclosetspace, but at the same time i think a total disassembly of the drug legislature is still a long way off.
as for religious connotations cheapening the experience, that certainly can be the case, but it doesn't have to. it's a matter of perspective. i think that if one had a mind to do so they could assemble a body of likeminded people that would use this sacrament as the indigenous tribes of many countries have for millenia. in this modernized version, an assembly could be guided by a shamanic leader or group of them, whose primary goals would be to dispel bad trips and foster an acceptance and exploration of the mushrooms particular lesson for each individual and perhaps the whole group at large. these group sessions could be conducted with the aid of mythic or eastern texts that could be incorporated in the ideology of the church (ie the Tao te Ching or Book of the Dead, a la Leary), and would occur semi-annually. provisions could thus be made (perhaps) for "independent study", if you will, and thus immunity for individual possession of small doses and dispensation of larger doses for the ritual gatherings.
as many have commented, it seems that there lies within each trip a seed of wisdom to be imparted to us, some realization that we might attain and grow from if we have the presence (or maybe absence...) of mind to do so. an argument could be made that these mushrooms are an intrinsic part of the tenants of this newly formed church, a tool to guide believers on their path. obviously there would need to be more to the doctrine than mushrooms, but on the outside chance that it went through it could be a foot in the once closed door of psychedelic legislation.
of course, the success of such a thing is an admittedly remote chance, but i think that if it was carefully and thoughtfully planned and executed that chance could be improved.
the question is does there exist such a body of people that would commit wholeheartedly to the effort and take the risks to see such an attempt through, to whatever end it may meet?
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Re: could a religious approach be used to decriminalize mushrooms [Re: otr317]
#5590164 - 05/04/06 01:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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<<the question is does there exist such a body of people that would commit wholeheartedly to the effort and take the risks to see such an attempt through, to whatever end it may meet?>>
There already is. I think it is a matter of time. It must be shown that there is a "compelling reason" to prohibit religious use. The Daime folks do have their own religion, but they claimed it was christian in court.....
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Re: could a religious approach be used to decriminalize mushrooms [Re: curenado]
#5590268 - 05/04/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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What is the reason that mushrooms were banned in the first place? Don't they have to prove that they are harmful before banning them?
I remember Terence McKenna mentioning that they banned a bunch of hallucinogens along with LSD without really looking into harmful/beneficial effects of these substances. He also said that perhaps if somebody had enough energy and money, it could be brought up in court and they will have to prove that psilocybin is harmful to justify the ban. This sort of thing just makes me want to become a lawyer ...but I've already chosen a different path. Aren't there any shroomery members who are lawyers? Helooo!!!?? Lawyers?
Edited by bodhisattva (05/04/06 02:08 PM)
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Re: could a religious approach be used to decriminalize mushrooms [Re: bodhisattva]
#5590305 - 05/04/06 02:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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<<now i am sincere in that i use mushrooms as a form of religion and enlightenment and the government limits my religion
im not tryin to start a church to legalize it if thats what u think i mean>>
If the so-called "Temple420" can, everybody can. If "Daime" can, everybody can. Besides, why would you pay some scam "church" $100 for what you can do religiously anyway? There are 2 or three "churches" like this claiming "they did it" and they are the "only ones" - that's so false! It's un-American, not to mention un-christian!
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Re: could a religious approach be used to decriminalize mushrooms [Re: bodhisattva]
#5590318 - 05/04/06 02:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The government does not want its citizenry to practice a religion based around experiential and not dogmatic wisdom.
McKenna's view on the government's banning of psychedelics was essentially that it is infantile at best and psychotic at worst. The crackdown on psychedelics was an overreaction of the government to the '60s counterculture movement, and it derailed untold numbers of serious inquiries into possible therapeutic, spiritual and physiological effects of entheogens. McKenna said in his lecture "In Search of the Original Tree of Knowledge" (1991) that he believed the criminalization of psychedelics to be a symptom of the larger failures of the scientific process ("...if you can't bang on it with a hammer it's not real.") and the modern political climate.
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Re: could a religious approach be used to decriminalize mushrooms [Re: bodhisattva]
#5590346 - 05/04/06 02:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
bodhisattva said: The thing is, the ayahuasca people had their own church and religion. If somebody decides to argue that mushrooms are a religious sacrament, it's going to be harder because the majority of the public concieves a religion as a going-to-a-church/temple thing. And taking mushrooms is usually done solo or in small groups. But perhaps, if a bunch of people show up for the trial to testify that they use mushrooms to achieve a mystical experience, ...who knows
u nailed it dude. that is the reason why, righ there.
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Re: could a religious approach be used to decriminalize mushrooms [Re: LedHead]
#5590787 - 05/04/06 05:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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There is research being done right now to test psilocybin as a treatment for cluster/migraine headaches. www.clusterbusters.com
The research looks promising so far. Psilocybin is active on the headaches in sub-hallucinogenic doses, so there is no reason to uphold the ban on medicinal uses if it is controlled. Once psilocybin is cleared for one thing, it will slowly lose it's stigma (hopefully), and people will realize that its not as bad as they were told.
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Re: could a religious approach be used to decriminalize mushrooms [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
#5591022 - 05/04/06 06:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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hmmmm interesting, as i usually try to provoke a religious experience when i shroom.... hmmmmmmmmm........
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Re: could a religious approach be used to decriminalize mushrooms [Re: the_psychonaut]
#5591039 - 05/04/06 06:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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im not quite sure the approach we will take....if we will try individual states or nationally but we will give it a shot eventually
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the_psychonaut
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Re: could a religious approach be used to decriminalize mushrooms [Re: mungojerry]
#5591180 - 05/04/06 07:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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if we are going to do it we have to do it NOW. we need to stop procrastinating. we should start literally, right now. i would, but i have no clue WHERE to start lol
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Re: could a religious approach be used to decriminalize mushrooms [Re: the_psychonaut]
#5595569 - 05/05/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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ok i cant be the only one that believes that anything that (used very loosely) "god" is sacred and should not be made illegal. it is also violating my personal religion, as i BELIEVE this very strongly.
-------------------- never be afraid to let your mind explore, just know what you are getting into b4 you jump in the deep end, and do your research on this site and erowid.com
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Re: could a religious approach be used to decriminalize mushrooms [Re: the_psychonaut]
#5595604 - 05/05/06 08:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why dont you just take mushrooms and not tell police officers?
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Lysergic_Milkman
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Re: could a religious approach be used to decriminalize mushrooms [Re: enderwood]
#5597277 - 05/06/06 09:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah, I've never been worried about getting busted. Isn't it better as an underground thing anyway?
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the_psychonaut
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Re: could a religious approach be used to decriminalize mushrooms [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
#5598491 - 05/06/06 06:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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not nessisarily about just mush, or about getting "busted". i think this thread was originally started with the intent on REGAINING human rights that have been stolen away from us.
-------------------- never be afraid to let your mind explore, just know what you are getting into b4 you jump in the deep end, and do your research on this site and erowid.com
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