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Offlineblaze2
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Re: Under U.S. pressure, president backs off decriminalization bill [Re: blaze2]
    #5591849 - 05/04/06 09:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Have you read the amounts they're talking about? One fortieth of a gram of heroin. One quarter gram of cocaine. Two standard Ecstasy pills. A quarter dose of LSD. A tenth of a dose of fresh mushrooms. It's a freaking JOKE!

Umm i dont know anything about heroin, but .25g of some badass columbian uncut cocaine would be enough for me after a night of drinking, just enough to wake me up to fuck the mexican bitch, that I rolled with earlier that night and If im not mistaken it was was .0250 not .0025 of LSD thats 2.5 hits if a hit is 100 micrograms a peice right? Correct me if I'm wrong guys It might just be a texan thing, but to me that sounds like a good fuckin night.

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Re: Under U.S. pressure, president backs off decriminalization bill [Re: blaze2]
    #5591894 - 05/04/06 09:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I see Phreds point, and some others contrary to his, isn't fun to be so far removed from government affairs, that we all grasp at straws????


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InvisibleAlex213
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Re: Under U.S. pressure, president backs off decriminalization bill [Re: Phred]
    #5592547 - 05/05/06 01:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Probably because I'm the only one who is thinking. The rest of y'all are just making assumptions.


An assumption that the most powerful anti-drug country in the world might be able to lean on it's neighbour? What kind of fantasy world are you living in? Do you expect Bush to come out and say "We will bully and intimidate you if you choose this path"?

Have you read the amounts they're talking about? One fortieth of a gram of heroin. One quarter gram of cocaine. Two standard Ecstasy pills. A quarter dose of LSD. A tenth of a dose of fresh mushrooms. It's a freaking JOKE!


PLEASE try and THINK! The point of this is not the amounts being considered. It's floating the idea of decriminalisation. You don't float the idea of this in the face of intense US pressure by saying "You can carry a kilo of H around with you". You do it by starting small so bullying american politicians can't say "Drug dealers could carry that much, you are legalising devil drug dealers".


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Re: Under U.S. pressure, president backs off decriminalization bill [Re: Alex213]
    #5595934 - 05/05/06 09:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Assumption 1 -- Fox won't sign because the US "bullied" or "intimidated" him into not signing.

Assumption 2 -- He would have signed the bill as written had the US said nothing

Assumption 3 -- He cares more about what the US says than what concerned members of the Mexican government say

Assumption 4 -- He won't sign it no matter how the wording is changed, because the US doesn't want him to



Pretty much.

And you doubt them all?


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Re: Under U.S. pressure, president backs off decriminalization bill [Re: bukkake]
    #5595966 - 05/05/06 09:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Assume = Ass U Me - When you assume it makes an ass out of you and me!  :wink:


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Re: Under U.S. pressure, president backs off decriminalization bill [Re: Phred]
    #5596064 - 05/05/06 10:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I want to see a quote from Fox saying he would sign the bill as written.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MEXICO_DRUGS?SITE=LAMON&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Fourth paragraph down:

On Tuesday, Fox's spokesman had called the bill "an advance" and pledged the president would sign it.

Not Fox himself, but his spokesman. If that doesn't satisfy you, I don't know what will.

The guy was gonna sign. The US called him up. The guy changed his mind. Connect the dots.


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Re: Under U.S. pressure, president backs off decriminalization bill [Re: Diploid]
    #5596110 - 05/05/06 10:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I sure hope Phread is not/ never becomes a detective  :grin:


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Re: Under U.S. pressure, president backs off decriminalization bill [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5596576 - 05/06/06 12:29 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I sure ain't gonna hire him.


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Re: Under U.S. pressure, president backs off decriminalization bill [Re: Alex213]
    #5597808 - 05/06/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Like I said earlier.........Fox made the decision, you dont like it blame HIM for bowing down


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: Under U.S. pressure, president backs off decriminalization bill [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5598086 - 05/06/06 04:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

While I find it hard to believe that the US didn't put pressure on Fox behind-the-scenes, the fault lies with Mexico for this failure. Heaven forbid a country stand up for its sovereignty for once and say "no" to the US. With all these countries bending over before the US, it's no wonder they are being taken advantage of.


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Re: Under U.S. pressure, president backs off decriminalization bill [Re: Redstorm]
    #5598324 - 05/06/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Redstorm said:
While I find it hard to believe that the US didn't put pressure on Fox behind-the-scenes, the fault lies with Mexico for this failure. Heaven forbid a country stand up for its sovereignty for once and say "no" to the US. With all these countries bending over before the US, it's no wonder they are being taken advantage of.




Iraq, Iran, North Korea


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Re: Under U.S. pressure, president backs off decriminalization bill [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5599081 - 05/06/06 09:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

EquilibriuM said:
Quote:

Redstorm said:
While I find it hard to believe that the US didn't put pressure on Fox behind-the-scenes, the fault lies with Mexico for this failure. Heaven forbid a country stand up for its sovereignty for once and say "no" to the US. With all these countries bending over before the US, it's no wonder they are being taken advantage of.




Iraq, Iran, North Korea




Yup thats a BURN.


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Re: Under U.S. pressure, president backs off decriminalization bill [Re: blaze2]
    #5600609 - 05/07/06 10:21 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Under U.S. pressure, president backs off decriminalization bill [Re: Diploid]
    #5600636 - 05/07/06 10:29 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Diploid said:
I want to see a quote from Fox saying he would sign the bill as written.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MEXICO_DRUGS?SITE=LAMON&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Fourth paragraph down:

On Tuesday, Fox's spokesman had called the bill "an advance" and pledged the president would sign it.

Not Fox himself, but his spokesman. If that doesn't satisfy you, I don't know what will.

The guy was gonna sign. The US called him up. The guy changed his mind. Connect the dots.








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Re: Under U.S. pressure, president backs off decriminalization bill [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5600646 - 05/07/06 10:31 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Like I said earlier.........Fox made the decision, you dont like it blame HIM for bowing down

A decision made under duress doesn't count.

Had the US kept it's nose out of Mexico's business, Fox's decision would have been different. His office even said so.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Under U.S. pressure, president backs off decriminalization bill [Re: Diploid]
    #5600709 - 05/07/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
Like I said earlier.........Fox made the decision, you dont like it blame HIM for bowing down

A decision made under duress doesn't count.

Had the US kept it's nose out of Mexico's business, Fox's decision would have been different. His office even said so.




What do you consider duress? Mexico's business is our business. Eveybody's business is our business. Just like we have to pay a certain amount of attention to other nation's concerns about what we do. Or suffer the consequences. So what? This is like sandbox 101. We are not alone in the world.

Duress...If you don't do what I want I will punch you in the nose and take your beanie babies
Persuasion...If you don't do what I want I won't play with you anymore.


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Re: Under U.S. pressure, president backs off decriminalization bill [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5600767 - 05/07/06 11:21 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

would you punish your family and friends for lifestyle differences if you could? I wouldnt. The US would. Just because the US has a stake in the world doesnt mean we have the right to impose our will man. Especially on an un-agressive nation. You guys need to face teh facts, The US is a bully. This is a fact proven time and time again.

The commandment is,

"Love thy Neighbor"

Not "Control thy Neighbor."


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"peace is not maintained through force it is acheived through intelligence." Albert Einstein

"Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."
Thomas Jefferson

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." --Thomas Jefferson


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Re: Under U.S. pressure, president backs off decriminalization bill [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5600768 - 05/07/06 11:21 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Just quit pushing your tyranical anti-drug bullshit on other countries and everything will be fine. Simple.


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Re: Under U.S. pressure, president backs off decriminalization bill [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5601172 - 05/07/06 02:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

EquilibriuM said:
Quote:

Redstorm said:
While I find it hard to believe that the US didn't put pressure on Fox behind-the-scenes, the fault lies with Mexico for this failure. Heaven forbid a country stand up for its sovereignty for once and say "no" to the US. With all these countries bending over before the US, it's no wonder they are being taken advantage of.




Iraq, Iran, North Korea




Good for them. If more countries had any balls, the list would be much longer.

Blaze: How was that a burn? He provided several countries who stood up for their sovereignty. I don't get where there was an insult there.


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Re: Under U.S. pressure, president backs off decriminalization bill [Re: Alex213]
    #5601229 - 05/07/06 02:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Alex213 said:
Just quit pushing your tyranical anti-drug bullshit on other countries and everything will be fine. Simple.




MY tyrannical anti-drug bullshit? I don't think so. Right or wrong, it is the people of the USA, by an overwhelming majority, who approve of drug prohibition. The government would be remiss if it didn't represent the views of the people in dealing with an immediate neighbor's seeming change of policy. Tell me again what the drug policy is in Limey land? Would they say nothing if Ireland decided to legalize drug use? Spare me the hypocritical bullshit.


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