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monamine
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heavy mushroom (and plant) references in a videogame
#5570735 - 04/29/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm not sure if this belongs here, and it's kinda a cross post, but I thought this might interest some people here.
Basically there's a videogame called Oblivion that has a lot of real life mushrooms and plants that you can eat and make into potions using an "alchemy skill".
(Taken from this thread )
Mushrooms and plants I've spotted so far for everyone who is interested...
mushrooms: Cairn Bolete Cap, Cinnabar Polypore Yellow (and red), Clouded Funnel Cap, Dryad Saddle Polypore Cap, Fly Amanita Cap (red), Green Stain Cup Cap, Steel-Blue Entoloma Cap, Wisp Stalk Caps, Emetic Russula Cap, Tinder Polypore Cap
plants: Mandrake root, Morning Glory seeds, Harrada, Ginseng, Tobacco
Edited by monamine (04/29/06 03:41 PM)
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monamine
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Re: heavy mushroom (and plant) references in a videogame [Re: monamine]
#5570749 - 04/29/06 03:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just curious...I know those plants I listed are real but are those all common names for real life mushrooms?
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FreeSporePrints

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Re: heavy mushroom (and plant) references in a videogame [Re: monamine]
#5572734 - 04/30/06 12:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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do not use them if you don't know them.
Fly Amanita cap, also called Fly Agaric, is the "common" Amanita muscaria, Clouded Funnel cap is Clitocybe (Lepista) nebularis, Pycnoporus cinnabarinus SHOULD BE Pycnoporus cinnabarinus (http://www.rivernen.ca/fungi_5.htm) Dryad's Saddle is Polyporus squamosus (http://www.rivernen.ca/fungi_1.htm) Green-stain Cup is Chlorociboria aeruginascens (http://americanmushrooms.com/images/cards/24.jpg) Steel-Blue Entoloma SHOULD BE Entoloma incarnatofuscescens (http://home.wanadoo.nl/abiemans/e_ent_incarn.html) Emetic Russula is Russula silvicola (http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/StratfordLandingES/Ecology/mpages/emetic_russula.htm) Tinder Polypore is Fomes fomentaris (http://www.gloriamundipress.com/archives/exhibits_brackets.htm) in this last page you can also see a pic of Pycnoporus cinnabarinus(perhaps it's Cinnabar Polypore)
OT - visit this, what shots!!! 
http://americanmushrooms.com/cards.htm
LOL - the Blindness Stamets' Puffball War 
http://americanmushrooms.com/images/cards/31.jpg
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Re: heavy mushroom (and plant) references in a videogame [Re: FreeSporePrints]
#5573208 - 04/30/06 03:35 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lately I think common names may more clearly convey meaning, considering the abysmal state of mushroom taxonomy.
The Latin binomial system of classification was implemented in a time before evolution. People think about things differently now. What used to be considered one species is now ten (Honey Mushroom), and it seems Guzman is splitting the genus Psilocybe beyond the point where it is pragmatic to do so.
very few people can even pronounce the Latin anymore. I was out with OhioBlueBell the other day, and I was telling her about Psilocybe coprophila which is commonly translated as "Dung-loving Psilocybe". But that is not what Psilocybe coprophila means. When i told her the literal translation "bald-headed shit-lover" she almost died laughing.
Maybe us smart types just like to use the Latin because it makes us look smart.
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FreeSporePrints

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Re: heavy mushroom (and plant) references in a videogame [Re: shroomydan]
#5574171 - 04/30/06 02:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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hi shroomydan, here, the message board is visited by people from every corner of the word. and a message board is made to discuss through messages.
Yes.
If you, that i suppose are from USA, use the common names for the mushrooms, for example, for me, that i am from Rome, Italy, is impossible to understand it. So latin names are usefull and not (just) smart.
Have you ever visited ww.fsre.nl? have common names in their stock list?
No.
Why? Because the latin name define that exact strain. Imagine if a grower from Bolivia ask for Psilocybe amazonian with the common name from his/her places. Simple! more usefull!!!
Of course if you're chatting about mushrooms with a no grower is oblivious that you use common names...also because he/she neverknow the latin names!
^_^
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Re: heavy mushroom (and plant) references in a videogame [Re: FreeSporePrints]
#5574733 - 04/30/06 05:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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monamine said:
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mushrooms: Cairn Bolete Cap, Cinnabar Polypore Yellow (and red), Clouded Funnel Cap, Dryad Saddle Polypore Cap, Fly Amanita Cap (red), Green Stain Cup Cap, Steel-Blue Entoloma Cap, Wisp Stalk Caps, Emetic Russula Cap, Tinder Polypore Cap
Notice the lack of Latin binomials. On this message board, we use English mostly as the medium for conveying meaning. Perhaps I should have said "English names" rather than "common names".
I know what those mushrooms are, and I could produce corresponding Latin binomials for each species mentioned, but the Latin would not be any more accurate than the English, and for people who speak English, using English names actually conveys something about the essence of the species. I could say Entoloma bloxami, or I could say Midnight-Blue entoloma. In this case, midnight blue entoloma more accurately describes the species than Entoloma bloxami, because this same blue entoloma has also been called E. madidum.
St. Georges mushroom: When i asked Amatoxin to post the Latin name of his find he said:
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Amatoxin said: Sorry shroomydan. Yep the Latin name is Calocybe gambosa, also known as Agaricus albellus, Agaricus gambosus, Agaricus georgii, Agaricus graveolens, Calocybe georgii, Lyophyllum gambosum, Tricholoma albellum, Tricholoma gambosum, Tricholoma georgii and Tricholoma graveolens just to confuse people! 
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5555790#Post5555790
Honey Mushroom: They used to be called Armillaria mellea. But now they are called: Armillaria ostoyae, Armillaria obscura ,Armillaria gemina ,Armillaria calvescens ,Armillaria sinapina, etc, etc...
Similar confusion exists about the morels, with some claiming only three species, and others many. According to ToxicMan, the leading expert on morels says that it is better to just use the common names for now, because nobody really knows how many species there are, or how to distinguish between the species. Confusion in taxonomy comes from confusion about the meaning of the word "species". Some mycologists are lumpers, and others are splitters. Aurora notes that some mycophiles only countenance two species, "Kickers", and "Pickers". The difficulties are further exacerbated by attempting to squeeze fungi in to a classification system that was designed to classify plants and animals. Mushrooms evolve in radically different ways than plants and animals because of the phenomenon of multi-spore colonies, leading to the genetic recombination of many parents into a single new organism.
I'm not saying discard the Latin just yet. I'm just saying don't get too attached to it, because the Latin binomials change all the time. I think mycology may benefit from dropping the Latin binomial paradigm and the hierarchical thought pattern it implies. It doesn't seem to be so accurate as some of use would like it to be. It's always easier to communicate in the vernacular anyway.
A name is an sign, which points to an actuality. Whichever name points more directly toward the actuality is the better name. As signs, names are also ideas, and the excellence of an idea can be judged by the action to which it leads...
I should stop now and return to studying. I could talk about taxonomy all day.
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Re: heavy mushroom (and plant) references in a videogame [Re: shroomydan]
#5576035 - 05/01/06 12:46 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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hi shroomydan, is pratically impossible here in Europe (except for example for English people) know ALL the english common names. Yes i can know Shaggy Mane for Coprinus comatus, Honey Mushroom for Armillaria mellea, Black Poplar for Agrocybe aegerita etc but what's the common name for the X mushroom?
For you is simple, for us not so easy..so i prefer to use Latin names 
You're right with your discussion about multi-spore colonies but i believe that here very few people can distinguish a mother-strain from a son-strain "caused" from genetic recombination. ^_^
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monamine
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Re: heavy mushroom (and plant) references in a videogame [Re: FreeSporePrints]
#5578493 - 05/01/06 07:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I was just wondering if those were real mushrooms and not some shit the developers made up.
P.S. I don't plan on eating any Amanitas anytime soon. That whole slow,painful death from liver failure thing kind of scares me.
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Re: heavy mushroom (and plant) references in a videogame [Re: monamine]
#5587235 - 05/03/06 06:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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i would like to see the video game, Oblivian..
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