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Re: Good? [Re: Icelander]
    #5587673 - 05/03/06 08:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You are correct, Santana and John McLaughlin of Mahavishnu Orchestra.  I have the album and listened to it just last night.  :grin:


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Re: Good? [Re: Veritas]
    #5587802 - 05/03/06 09:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Is it possible to objectively define what is "good," as in the opposite of evil?


Nope. But that doesn't mean there aren't objective requirements for a specific individual to achieve their own happiness [good].




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Re: Good? [Re: Veritas]
    #5590120 - 05/04/06 01:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

If I may simply throw that in:
Primarily, good is everything that benefits oneself.
Everybody will riddle this out in...the smalles group, the family... If the family is 'moraly' unhealthy [meaning, if only ONE of them tries to harm the other, so group-trust is destroyed], the good inside the family vanishes. Then good is everything, which benefits the family. This leads to the next group, society. If the society is 'moraly' un-healthy, the good inside it vanishes and good is everything which benefits society .. and so on for count[r]ies and so on for the whole planet earth and so on...
That's how I see it.


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Re: Good? [Re: Veritas]
    #5604073 - 05/08/06 05:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Veritas said:
Is it possible to objectively define what is "good," as in the opposite of evil?





How would it be possibile to define anything objectively?

The distinction between good and evil is a distinction made by those that are looking for security and harm in everything they encounter;
it is a distinction for those that feel threatened and have an oppressed mentality.

The same goes for objective definitions, especially objective definitions of values. The people that define and seek these have no values! and must create them, and convince others of them, to gain control in a world where they feel they have none. These persons, for these reasons, abstain from responsibility of their defining, their action, their living -- they do not know how to live, and act, upon that which they find GOOD within and from their lifeworld. Veritably, there is nothing GOOD in their lifeworld, and therefore they have the dichotomy of GOOD and EVIL (a GOOD that comes from outside [objectively] the lifeworld and and EVIL that threatens it [their very meager lives]), instead of a knowledge of what is GOOD divined from the lives they live.


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Re: Good? [Re: Lakefingers]
    #5604077 - 05/08/06 05:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

laughter is good.


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Re: Good? [Re: Veritas]
    #5604084 - 05/08/06 06:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Veritas said:
Is it possible to objectively define what is "good," as in the opposite of evil?

It seems to me that, when defining good, we will always be influenced by the subjectivity of our context (American, 21st century, male/female, lower/middle/upper class, religious/agnostic/atheist, family beliefs, etc...), just as we are in defining what we mean by "evil."




good and bad are social concepts. When you have one isolated human being on a lone island, there is no good or bad.
Good is what tries to benefits the collective and each individual in it, and bad is what destroyes the harmony of the society and its collective progress.

Such a definition pushes the idea you have obeseved: that
good depents on which community we are talking about.

But the most noble ideas of good are often those aiming at humanity as a whole, instead of your willage, your street gang, your country etc.

That being said, even if you specify what kind of collective should benefit from this "good", the idea of what is good for THAT collective depends on the intelligence and wisedom of the thinker.

One can have noble intentions: try to benefit the whole humanity with his idea of "good", yet do damage to it due to his limited understanding of the consequences of this "good"

But I think, objective good is right there waiting for our intelligence to reach it.
Objective good is that which would trully bring harmony to the human society, but we have not reached that idea of good, due to our limited understanding of consequences of EVERY action we take.

Limited vision of what good is is as good as evil in its action, even though intentions may be noble.
For example, the church did a lot of damage and evil in its history, thinking that is what good is, but all because of its limited vision of what good is, in other words, what would trully bring love peace and harmony into society. Sertainly their actions wouldn't.


So good and evil are just two directions one can take in a realisation of a plan. The plan is growth and harmony of a certain community. And good is that which works FOR that plan, evil is that which works against it. There is nothing mystical about good and bad, these are just usefull and uneusefull approaches regarding that plan.

Again, where there are no two people, there is no good and bad, which is one of the blessings of being a hermit


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Re: Good? [Re: kotik]
    #5604209 - 05/08/06 08:25 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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kotik said:
laughter is good.




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