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OfflineProgFron
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Christians and psychedelics... * 1
    #5586132 - 05/03/06 02:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Hello, I'm new here so I'll introduce myself a bit.
My name's Francis, I'm from Holland.
My hobbies are mainly music, both listening and creating it and reading about religion, entheogens that kinda stuff.

On to my question: Are there Christians around that have used psychedelics in a spiritual way, as in gettin' closer to God?
I'm interested in this, but was never able to find people that are intrested like me.


Spiral out,
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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: ProgFron] * 1
    #5586155 - 05/03/06 03:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

There are! And welcome. :thumbup:


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: ProgFron] * 1
    #5586164 - 05/03/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Psychedelics are responsible for my conversion to Christianity. If you're interested, you can read about it here.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5586202 - 05/03/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Christianity was responsible for my conversion to drug use.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Sporetacus]
    #5586207 - 05/03/06 03:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Same here!  :crazy2:


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Sporetacus]
    #5586212 - 05/03/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Sporetacus said:
Christianity was responsible for my conversion to drug use.




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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: mikeownow]
    #5586218 - 05/03/06 03:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Did you really find that mushroom growing inside the Pringles can? That is too wild!


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Sporetacus]
    #5586221 - 05/03/06 03:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well said.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Sporetacus]
    #5586225 - 05/03/06 03:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Sporetacus said:
Christianity was responsible for my conversion to drug use.




Could you explain that, please?


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: ProgFron]
    #5586239 - 05/03/06 03:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I could if I wasn't all wasted. :bong:  :mushroom2:


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Sporetacus]
    #5586250 - 05/03/06 03:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Sporetacus said:
Christianity was responsible for my conversion to drug use.




Hey! That might actually be true for me also.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Icelander]
    #5586366 - 05/03/06 03:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The Bible seems to be in support of the freedom to use psychedelic drugs...... or at least marijuana and "green" plants.

Whether or not part of Christianity is using them is hard to say, but I would say "If it works"

Christianity seems more compatible with drug use than most religions around today, which makes the prohibition through the religious right rather ironic.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: leery11]
    #5586392 - 05/03/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

for christian confirmation on mushroom and other entheogen use search "cappodicea" monasteries and florida mycology / TEO journals...
:psychsplit

here is a link to Florida Mycology:
http://www.mushroomsfmrc.com/gpage1.html


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: leery11]
    #5586393 - 05/03/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Christianity seems more compatible with drug use than most religions around today, which makes the prohibition through the religious right rather ironic.

Why do you say that? I think eastern religions are much more compatable with drug use and have a history of it.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: leery11]
    #5586407 - 05/03/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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leery11 said:
The Bible seems to be in support of the freedom to use psychedelic drugs...... or at least marijuana and "green" plants.





Any biblical passages, that come to mind, that point that out?

It's cool to actually find people that are interested like me.
The only drug I've ever taken was marijuana, but I'm highly interested in  :mushroom2:. But I don't need drugs to point out to me that God exist, as was proven again today. :tongue2:


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: ProgFron]
    #5586433 - 05/03/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Read: Mark 7:15 and 7:18


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Icelander]
    #5586555 - 05/03/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Christianity seems more compatible with drug use than most religions around today, which makes the prohibition through the religious right rather ironic.

Why do you say that? I think eastern religions are much more compatable with drug use and have a history of it.





well in most sects of buddhism any and all intoxicants are strictly prohibited so its easy to understand why someone would find eastern religion incompatable with psychedelics, howeever, you are correct about their being a long history of use.

as for christianity, there is nothing in the bible that suggests drug is is ok as far as i know. sure it says man has the right to use every plant but this also includes poisonous plants and ingesting poisonous plants violates the body as a temple so this alone cannot be used to support drug use. furthermore, use of psychedelics would most likely be considered witchcraft or sorcery in bliblical times and the bible comes down pretty hard on that. and lastly, although it allows for moderate drinking of wine, it condemns drunkeness several times. if drunkeniss is a sin, than it doesn't any make sense to simply assume that its alright to become intoxicated from other drugs. although, as far as i know, the bible doesn't specifically condemn drug use.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: curenado]
    #5586703 - 05/03/06 05:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

http://people.etnoteam.it/maiocchi/fabbro.htm

Stephen and kathy Peele of the Florida Mycology Research Center are righteous folk. I was obtaining spores from them in the 1980s.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: ProgFron] * 1
    #5586715 - 05/03/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

There are some of us here, but I am a Gnostic Christian, not a 'Literalist' Christian. Most of us were eliminated by the end of the 2nd century C.E. I found Christ through LSD use over 30 years ago.

Shalom.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Icelander]
    #5586813 - 05/03/06 05:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Christianity seems more compatible with drug use than most religions around today, which makes the prohibition through the religious right rather ironic.

Why do you say that? I think eastern religions are much more compatable with drug use and have a history of it.



I say that because in the Bible it is completely supportive of all plants being created by God for the use of humans.

Jesus said it is not what goes into your mouth that defiles you, but what comes out. And if calamus = kaenh-bosm = cannabis some theorize that John the Baptist annointed people with a severely strong cannabis tincture .... and that this is the "new wine" and in fact Jesus partook of cannabis in order to commune with father.

Compare this with Buddhism.... no intoxicants. However it was Alan Watts who said (i think it was... I'm not sure) that it's okay in extreme moderation for spiritual gimpses of things, be it LSD, marijuana, mescaline, etc..... that the main goal is that you are not using for intoxication and you are not using as a pattern, or heedlessly, rather, but for spiritual pursuit.

Still, most Buddhists will straight up say you cannot use drugs at all..... that they are a hinderance to enlightenment and make it difficult to meditate.

Cannabis and hinduism seem very fine...... they even use it to help with yoga.

Taoists? I'm not sure at all.... I guess facotring in Hinduism eastern religion may be a bit more tolerant, but it's hard to say.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: ProgFron] * 1
    #5586837 - 05/03/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yep. Although just about every psychedelicized Christian here is Gnostic, not of any mainstream denomination. There's a few Hindus here too.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Basilides]
    #5587293 - 05/03/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)


I say that because in the Bible it is completely supportive of all plants being created by God for the use of humans.


but despite the fact that man has dominion over all God's plants, ingesting some of these plants is still not advisable. this by itself is a weak argument to support drug use.

Jesus said it is not what goes into your mouth that defiles you, but what comes out.

again, its rather weak to connect this to drug use. alcohol goes in the mouth and yet the bible says that drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Basilides]
    #5587294 - 05/03/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Yep. Although just about every psychedelicized Christian here is Gnostic, not of any mainstream denomination. There's a few Hindus here too.




dont forget about fivepointer.  :wink:


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: ProgFron] * 1
    #5587305 - 05/03/06 07:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)



P.S. - Here is a drawing by the mystic Jacob Boehme in which a mushroomic reference appears in the Heart (which symbolizes Christ) as well as at the bottom (the Father) as an immature mushroomic form growing from what seems to be mycelial 'roots' of this 'tree'). The open and closed eyes have been suggested as manifesting the paradoxical sleepy and wide-eyed inebriation of the mushroom. The lines from the upper mushroom to the eyes also suggests a mushroomic form. Boehme drew this 400 years ago.

http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~janzb/boehme/


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5587330 - 05/03/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That's cool.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Deviate]
    #5587365 - 05/03/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Oya.. fivepointer..

think we can convince him to dose?


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Basilides]
    #5587372 - 05/03/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I doubt he would emotionally survive the ordeal.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5587496 - 05/03/06 07:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That's a pretty neat site. Found all sorts of old drawings. Not sure if Boehme drew this one, but I like it:



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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Deviate]
    #5587578 - 05/03/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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again, its rather weak to connect this to drug use. alcohol goes in the mouth and yet the bible says that drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God.



ah i was unaware of that one. I believe they were accusing Jesus of being a drunkard and he said that it doesn't matter what goes in the mouth?


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: leery11]
    #5587612 - 05/03/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

He said, "It is not what goes into your mouth that will defile, but what comes out of it."

:sun:


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: leery11]
    #5587784 - 05/03/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

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again, its rather weak to connect this to drug use. alcohol goes in the mouth and yet the bible says that drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God.



ah i was unaware of that one. I believe they were accusing Jesus of being a drunkard and he said that it doesn't matter what goes in the mouth?




no, jesus wasn't accused of being a drunkard, as far as i know he was saying it in references to the jewish restrictions on diet, meaning what you eat is not so important but what you say is important. my point bringing up alcohol is that jesus didn't necessarily mean that you can take anything into your body and it wont have any negative spiritual affects spiritually. i used the example of alcohol because it is something that goes in the mouth.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: ProgFron]
    #5587892 - 05/03/06 09:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I was one of the "on-fire, born again Christians" for years and years.  I had a deep interest in spirituality, and that lead me to marijuana, which soon lead me to psychedelic drugs.
I used mushrooms as a tool (even as a Christian) to learn more about the God that I worship.  Much to my surprise, I was enlightened way beyond my  blind religion. My faith was shaken at first, but it drove me to desperately look for TRUTH above RELIGION.  I found out alot, and pieced together alot and I now know that there is much more to life than I even thought as a Christian...there is much more, we just have to be willing to see it.
I started reading about near-death-experiences, out-of-body experiences, trip reports, religious documents and ideals from all cultures, and now I finally see things clearer instead of believing things to be the way I am told they are.
Question the very backbone of your reality and rebuild your ideas about life itself.
Psychedelic drugs didn't turn me away from God, they introduced me to God.  I thought I knew Him, but I had no idea.  I agree with Christianity, I just think that the RELIGION of it is misguided. Jesus was taken too literally at times and the entire religion is now built on misunderstandings of his teachings.
My religious views now align most with Baha'i, although I consider my life an ever-changing quest for God other than being labeled by a specific religion.
I firmly believe that my understanding and communication with God has only opened up and strengthened upon my discovery of psychedelic drugs... How can that be bad?

:mushroom2: PeAcE


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: The_Oracle]
    #5587915 - 05/03/06 09:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Really nice post. Thank you, and I agree. As religions go the Baha'i faith is really cool. It unites humanity rather than dividing it.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Icelander]
    #5588009 - 05/03/06 09:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have a parchment colored framed version in our living room. I really like this reminder of ancient psychedelic Christianity.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5590051 - 05/04/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Amen! :smile:

I was thinking about the "Bible Word" (Hebrew) for "Mushroom".

The word is "PTRYH" (as "pt-ree-yah")

Which means - pt=bread + ree-yah = sight, or rather, divine sight/to
see the divine/God

Also - the etymology of the word seems to cross cultures and religions and
there are even a couple heathen goddeses with a VERY similar name -
which goes to show that GAWD can talk to who he wants to when he
wants to I guess....

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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Sporetacus]
    #15929456 - 03/10/12 01:45 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Christianity was responsible for my conversion to drug use.




Now was Christianity responsible for your conversion to drug use, or was it Christians? Two totally separate (yet totally connected) situations.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: CreativeCatalysts]
    #15931037 - 03/10/12 08:58 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i love etymology....brilliant, curenado





in highschool i aced every single etym test, but i failed over all cos i didnt keep a journal full of 'proof' of the words i learned. fucking hell. i maintain to this day that drifting in and out dreams (i slept in class) had a truly bizarre effect on my language learning.


for instance, i fell asleep in study hall once while reading finnegans wake and saw in the dream what the hell joyce was talking about. ANYWAY i digress


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    #15933308 - 03/11/12 01:26 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Oya.. fivepointer..

think we can convince him to dose?



I went from being an Agnostic to being a Christian.  I have many psychedelic experiences prior to my conversion.  I think my experiences convinced me that there is more to the world than all things being physical.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: curenado]
    #15933732 - 03/11/12 03:23 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I was thinking about the "Bible Word" (Hebrew) for "Mushroom".

The word is "PTRYH" (as "pt-ree-yah")

Which means - pt=bread + ree-yah = sight, or rather, divine sight/to
see the divine/God


Really?  I've known the prayer over bread since I was a little boy. LHM, or L'chem (gutteral 'ch'). But, I'm going to ask an Israeli co-worker about mushroom in Hebrew.

http://jhom.com/topics/bread/hebrew.html


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #15937616 - 03/12/12 12:42 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

hildegard von bingen was a christian mystic who used psychedelics. she wrote extensively on botany and was a prolific artist. amanita's are often woven into the fabric of her paintings that depict her visions. her musical compositions have an other-wordly feel to them and are very psychedelic. hildegard's visions were sanctioned as being legitimate by the church and she was appointed an abbess; one of the earliest female abbess's if i'm not mistaken. i've studied her art and her music and she's definitely someone i'd like to study more.


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    #15938390 - 03/12/12 04:04 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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hildegard von bingen was a christian mystic who used psychedelics. she wrote extensively on botany and was a prolific artist. amanita's are often woven into the fabric of her paintings that depict her visions. her musical compositions have an other-wordly feel to them and are very psychedelic. hildegard's visions were sanctioned as being legitimate by the church and she was appointed an abbess; one of the earliest female abbess's if i'm not mistaken. i've studied her art and her music and she's definitely someone i'd like to study more.




Interesting! We have 8 framed pieces of art hanging in our 20' hallway, and one of them is that painting of the Sapphire Christ by Hildegard. I have listened to some of her music on a CD that came with a book of her art (which I gave to the person as a gift, who reciprocated with the poster). I am not aware of the Amanitas in her art work, but if you can send me a link that illustrates them, I'd appreciate it. I do have a framed poster of 'Christi Testamenta,' which depicts the Holy Trinity with mushroomic forms. The Father shows mushroom primordia and mycelium (according to Clark Heinrich and Carl Ruck in The Apples of Apollo - the cover of which I had blown up into that poster). The Heart of the Son holds a full carpophore. The Dove, sacred to Isis, Aphrodite, and later as the symbol for the Holy Spirit (conveying a feminine component), is flanked with two eyes in a 'mushroomic' arch, with a sleepy eye and an awakened eye - two phases of Amanita inebriation. There are additional symbols embedded in this as well, such as an Iota (Iesous) wrapped in Dionysian grape clusters to complement an Apollonian mushroomic aspect, and a superimposition on a Tau cross - of Egyptian origin. Andija Puharich, an M.D., taught himself Egyptian hieroglyphics just to prove to the world that the Amanita was used in ancient Egypt for initiatory purposes. This is what my copy looks like ->  http://www.amazon.com/The-Sacred-Mushroom-Door-Eternity/dp/0385085931/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1331590100&sr=8-1



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    #15938464 - 03/12/12 04:25 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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hildegard von bingen was a christian mystic who used psychedelics. she wrote extensively on botany and was a prolific artist. amanita's are often woven into the fabric of her paintings that depict her visions. her musical compositions have an other-wordly feel to them and are very psychedelic. hildegard's visions were sanctioned as being legitimate by the church and she was appointed an abbess; one of the earliest female abbess's if i'm not mistaken. i've studied her art and her music and she's definitely someone i'd like to study more.




Interesting! We have 8 framed pieces of art hanging in our 20' hallway, and one of them is that painting of the Sapphire Christ by Hildegard. I have listened to some of her music on a CD that came with a book of her art (which I gave to the person as a gift, who reciprocated with the poster). I am not aware of the Amanitas in her art work, but if you can send me a link that illustrates them, I'd appreciate it. I do have a framed poster of 'Christi Testamenta,' which depicts the Holy Trinity with mushroomic forms. The Father shows mushroom primordia and mycelium (according to Clark Heinrich and Carl Ruck in The Apples of Apollo - the cover of which I had blown up into that poster). The Heart of the Son holds a full carpophore. The Dove, sacred to Isis, Aphrodite, and later as the symbol for the Holy Spirit (conveying a feminine component), is flanked with two eyes in a 'mushroomic' arch, with a sleepy eye and an awakened eye - two phases of Amanita inebriation. There are additional symbols embedded in this as well, such as an Iota (Iesous) wrapped in Dionysian grape clusters to complement an Apollonian mushroomic aspect, and a superimposition on a Tau cross - of Egyptian origin. Andija Puharich, an M.D., taught himself Egyptian hieroglyphics just to prove to the world that the Amanita was used in ancient Egypt for initiatory purposes. This is what my copy looks like ->  http://www.amazon.com/The-Sacred-Mushroom-Door-Eternity/dp/0385085931/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1331590100&sr=8-1






wow. awesome! i'm going to have to hunt those images down for you markos. i believe the ones i've seen were in my actual textbook for class. it's unmistakably amanitas from what i saw. those grow in abundance in northern europe don't they????


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: millzy]
    #15938698 - 03/12/12 05:20 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

here you go markos. notice the caps of the towers on either side of the doorway.



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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #15938748 - 03/12/12 05:30 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I would not be a Christian today, had I not taken mushrooms.


OR I was already a Christian and mushrooms brought it to the surface :smirk:


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: millzy]
    #15938868 - 03/12/12 05:55 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think those are depicting amanita muscaria, unless they are as a composite with some other mushroom, the little ball on the dome of the same color precludes this.
What is the stuff hanging into the face of the Nun? Looks like octupus or squid.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: falcon]
    #15938918 - 03/12/12 06:08 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't think those are depicting amanita muscaria, unless they are as a composite with some other mushroom, the little ball on the dome of the same color precludes this.
What is the stuff hanging into the face of the Nun? Looks like octupus or squid.




she may have been using artistic license. it is part of a building after all. in any case, there seems to be a recurring theme in her artwork from what i've seen that tends to employ amanita muscaria shapes and colors.

i have no clue what's coming out of her face. lol


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: millzy]
    #15940583 - 03/13/12 12:31 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

wow. awesome! i'm going to have to hunt those images down for you markos. i believe the ones i've seen were in my actual textbook for class. it's unmistakably amanitas from what i saw. those grow in abundance in northern europe don't they????


Yes. My best friend collected a box full in Massachusetts, and sent me a specimen. For those with a supply of Amanita muscaria, and some experience with column chromatography, Ibotenic acid extracted from these mushrooms can sell to pharmaceutical firms for $10,000 per gram! Check with Stephen Peele at the Florida Mycology Research Center for corroboration. He is the only DEA licensed person in the USA to bank and sell spores and living cultures. He was the one I obtained spores from in the 1980s.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: millzy]
    #15940589 - 03/13/12 12:32 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Hmmm. Very suggestive. Very possible. Do you know of Franco Fabbro's work?  http://distelrath.tripod.com/fabbro.htm


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    #15943200 - 03/13/12 06:04 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't think those are depicting amanita muscaria, unless they are as a composite with some other mushroom, the little ball on the dome of the same color precludes this.
What is the stuff hanging into the face of the Nun? Looks like octupus or squid.




she may have been using artistic license. it is part of a building after all. in any case, there seems to be a recurring theme in her artwork from what i've seen that tends to employ amanita muscaria shapes and colors.

i have no clue what's coming out of her face. lol




Lol, yeah could be artistic license, don't know enough about the time or her though, to know. It looks like she's mixing symbolism with realism in her artwork.


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