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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: millzy]
    #15938390 - 03/12/12 04:04 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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hildegard von bingen was a christian mystic who used psychedelics. she wrote extensively on botany and was a prolific artist. amanita's are often woven into the fabric of her paintings that depict her visions. her musical compositions have an other-wordly feel to them and are very psychedelic. hildegard's visions were sanctioned as being legitimate by the church and she was appointed an abbess; one of the earliest female abbess's if i'm not mistaken. i've studied her art and her music and she's definitely someone i'd like to study more.




Interesting! We have 8 framed pieces of art hanging in our 20' hallway, and one of them is that painting of the Sapphire Christ by Hildegard. I have listened to some of her music on a CD that came with a book of her art (which I gave to the person as a gift, who reciprocated with the poster). I am not aware of the Amanitas in her art work, but if you can send me a link that illustrates them, I'd appreciate it. I do have a framed poster of 'Christi Testamenta,' which depicts the Holy Trinity with mushroomic forms. The Father shows mushroom primordia and mycelium (according to Clark Heinrich and Carl Ruck in The Apples of Apollo - the cover of which I had blown up into that poster). The Heart of the Son holds a full carpophore. The Dove, sacred to Isis, Aphrodite, and later as the symbol for the Holy Spirit (conveying a feminine component), is flanked with two eyes in a 'mushroomic' arch, with a sleepy eye and an awakened eye - two phases of Amanita inebriation. There are additional symbols embedded in this as well, such as an Iota (Iesous) wrapped in Dionysian grape clusters to complement an Apollonian mushroomic aspect, and a superimposition on a Tau cross - of Egyptian origin. Andija Puharich, an M.D., taught himself Egyptian hieroglyphics just to prove to the world that the Amanita was used in ancient Egypt for initiatory purposes. This is what my copy looks like ->  http://www.amazon.com/The-Sacred-Mushroom-Door-Eternity/dp/0385085931/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1331590100&sr=8-1



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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #15938464 - 03/12/12 04:25 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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millzy said:
hildegard von bingen was a christian mystic who used psychedelics. she wrote extensively on botany and was a prolific artist. amanita's are often woven into the fabric of her paintings that depict her visions. her musical compositions have an other-wordly feel to them and are very psychedelic. hildegard's visions were sanctioned as being legitimate by the church and she was appointed an abbess; one of the earliest female abbess's if i'm not mistaken. i've studied her art and her music and she's definitely someone i'd like to study more.




Interesting! We have 8 framed pieces of art hanging in our 20' hallway, and one of them is that painting of the Sapphire Christ by Hildegard. I have listened to some of her music on a CD that came with a book of her art (which I gave to the person as a gift, who reciprocated with the poster). I am not aware of the Amanitas in her art work, but if you can send me a link that illustrates them, I'd appreciate it. I do have a framed poster of 'Christi Testamenta,' which depicts the Holy Trinity with mushroomic forms. The Father shows mushroom primordia and mycelium (according to Clark Heinrich and Carl Ruck in The Apples of Apollo - the cover of which I had blown up into that poster). The Heart of the Son holds a full carpophore. The Dove, sacred to Isis, Aphrodite, and later as the symbol for the Holy Spirit (conveying a feminine component), is flanked with two eyes in a 'mushroomic' arch, with a sleepy eye and an awakened eye - two phases of Amanita inebriation. There are additional symbols embedded in this as well, such as an Iota (Iesous) wrapped in Dionysian grape clusters to complement an Apollonian mushroomic aspect, and a superimposition on a Tau cross - of Egyptian origin. Andija Puharich, an M.D., taught himself Egyptian hieroglyphics just to prove to the world that the Amanita was used in ancient Egypt for initiatory purposes. This is what my copy looks like ->  http://www.amazon.com/The-Sacred-Mushroom-Door-Eternity/dp/0385085931/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1331590100&sr=8-1






wow. awesome! i'm going to have to hunt those images down for you markos. i believe the ones i've seen were in my actual textbook for class. it's unmistakably amanitas from what i saw. those grow in abundance in northern europe don't they????


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: millzy]
    #15938698 - 03/12/12 05:20 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

here you go markos. notice the caps of the towers on either side of the doorway.



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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #15938748 - 03/12/12 05:30 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I would not be a Christian today, had I not taken mushrooms.


OR I was already a Christian and mushrooms brought it to the surface :smirk:


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: millzy]
    #15938868 - 03/12/12 05:55 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think those are depicting amanita muscaria, unless they are as a composite with some other mushroom, the little ball on the dome of the same color precludes this.
What is the stuff hanging into the face of the Nun? Looks like octupus or squid.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: falcon]
    #15938918 - 03/12/12 06:08 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't think those are depicting amanita muscaria, unless they are as a composite with some other mushroom, the little ball on the dome of the same color precludes this.
What is the stuff hanging into the face of the Nun? Looks like octupus or squid.




she may have been using artistic license. it is part of a building after all. in any case, there seems to be a recurring theme in her artwork from what i've seen that tends to employ amanita muscaria shapes and colors.

i have no clue what's coming out of her face. lol


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: millzy]
    #15940583 - 03/13/12 12:31 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

wow. awesome! i'm going to have to hunt those images down for you markos. i believe the ones i've seen were in my actual textbook for class. it's unmistakably amanitas from what i saw. those grow in abundance in northern europe don't they????


Yes. My best friend collected a box full in Massachusetts, and sent me a specimen. For those with a supply of Amanita muscaria, and some experience with column chromatography, Ibotenic acid extracted from these mushrooms can sell to pharmaceutical firms for $10,000 per gram! Check with Stephen Peele at the Florida Mycology Research Center for corroboration. He is the only DEA licensed person in the USA to bank and sell spores and living cultures. He was the one I obtained spores from in the 1980s.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: millzy]
    #15940589 - 03/13/12 12:32 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Hmmm. Very suggestive. Very possible. Do you know of Franco Fabbro's work?  http://distelrath.tripod.com/fabbro.htm


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: millzy]
    #15943200 - 03/13/12 06:04 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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falcon said:
I don't think those are depicting amanita muscaria, unless they are as a composite with some other mushroom, the little ball on the dome of the same color precludes this.
What is the stuff hanging into the face of the Nun? Looks like octupus or squid.




she may have been using artistic license. it is part of a building after all. in any case, there seems to be a recurring theme in her artwork from what i've seen that tends to employ amanita muscaria shapes and colors.

i have no clue what's coming out of her face. lol




Lol, yeah could be artistic license, don't know enough about the time or her though, to know. It looks like she's mixing symbolism with realism in her artwork.


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