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OfflineBasilides
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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: ProgFron] * 1
    #5586837 - 05/03/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yep. Although just about every psychedelicized Christian here is Gnostic, not of any mainstream denomination. There's a few Hindus here too.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Basilides]
    #5587293 - 05/03/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)


I say that because in the Bible it is completely supportive of all plants being created by God for the use of humans.


but despite the fact that man has dominion over all God's plants, ingesting some of these plants is still not advisable. this by itself is a weak argument to support drug use.

Jesus said it is not what goes into your mouth that defiles you, but what comes out.

again, its rather weak to connect this to drug use. alcohol goes in the mouth and yet the bible says that drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Basilides]
    #5587294 - 05/03/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Basilides said:
Yep. Although just about every psychedelicized Christian here is Gnostic, not of any mainstream denomination. There's a few Hindus here too.




dont forget about fivepointer.  :wink:


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: ProgFron] * 1
    #5587305 - 05/03/06 07:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)



P.S. - Here is a drawing by the mystic Jacob Boehme in which a mushroomic reference appears in the Heart (which symbolizes Christ) as well as at the bottom (the Father) as an immature mushroomic form growing from what seems to be mycelial 'roots' of this 'tree'). The open and closed eyes have been suggested as manifesting the paradoxical sleepy and wide-eyed inebriation of the mushroom. The lines from the upper mushroom to the eyes also suggests a mushroomic form. Boehme drew this 400 years ago.

http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~janzb/boehme/


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5587330 - 05/03/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That's cool.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Deviate]
    #5587365 - 05/03/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Oya.. fivepointer..

think we can convince him to dose?


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Basilides]
    #5587372 - 05/03/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I doubt he would emotionally survive the ordeal.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5587496 - 05/03/06 07:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That's a pretty neat site. Found all sorts of old drawings. Not sure if Boehme drew this one, but I like it:



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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Deviate]
    #5587578 - 05/03/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Deviate said:


again, its rather weak to connect this to drug use. alcohol goes in the mouth and yet the bible says that drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God.



ah i was unaware of that one. I believe they were accusing Jesus of being a drunkard and he said that it doesn't matter what goes in the mouth?


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: leery11]
    #5587612 - 05/03/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

He said, "It is not what goes into your mouth that will defile, but what comes out of it."

:sun:


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: leery11]
    #5587784 - 05/03/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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leery11 said:
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Deviate said:


again, its rather weak to connect this to drug use. alcohol goes in the mouth and yet the bible says that drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God.



ah i was unaware of that one. I believe they were accusing Jesus of being a drunkard and he said that it doesn't matter what goes in the mouth?




no, jesus wasn't accused of being a drunkard, as far as i know he was saying it in references to the jewish restrictions on diet, meaning what you eat is not so important but what you say is important. my point bringing up alcohol is that jesus didn't necessarily mean that you can take anything into your body and it wont have any negative spiritual affects spiritually. i used the example of alcohol because it is something that goes in the mouth.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: ProgFron]
    #5587892 - 05/03/06 09:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I was one of the "on-fire, born again Christians" for years and years.  I had a deep interest in spirituality, and that lead me to marijuana, which soon lead me to psychedelic drugs.
I used mushrooms as a tool (even as a Christian) to learn more about the God that I worship.  Much to my surprise, I was enlightened way beyond my  blind religion. My faith was shaken at first, but it drove me to desperately look for TRUTH above RELIGION.  I found out alot, and pieced together alot and I now know that there is much more to life than I even thought as a Christian...there is much more, we just have to be willing to see it.
I started reading about near-death-experiences, out-of-body experiences, trip reports, religious documents and ideals from all cultures, and now I finally see things clearer instead of believing things to be the way I am told they are.
Question the very backbone of your reality and rebuild your ideas about life itself.
Psychedelic drugs didn't turn me away from God, they introduced me to God.  I thought I knew Him, but I had no idea.  I agree with Christianity, I just think that the RELIGION of it is misguided. Jesus was taken too literally at times and the entire religion is now built on misunderstandings of his teachings.
My religious views now align most with Baha'i, although I consider my life an ever-changing quest for God other than being labeled by a specific religion.
I firmly believe that my understanding and communication with God has only opened up and strengthened upon my discovery of psychedelic drugs... How can that be bad?

:mushroom2: PeAcE


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: The_Oracle]
    #5587915 - 05/03/06 09:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Really nice post. Thank you, and I agree. As religions go the Baha'i faith is really cool. It unites humanity rather than dividing it.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Icelander]
    #5588009 - 05/03/06 09:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have a parchment colored framed version in our living room. I really like this reminder of ancient psychedelic Christianity.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5590051 - 05/04/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Amen! :smile:

I was thinking about the "Bible Word" (Hebrew) for "Mushroom".

The word is "PTRYH" (as "pt-ree-yah")

Which means - pt=bread + ree-yah = sight, or rather, divine sight/to
see the divine/God

Also - the etymology of the word seems to cross cultures and religions and
there are even a couple heathen goddeses with a VERY similar name -
which goes to show that GAWD can talk to who he wants to when he
wants to I guess....

:smile:


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Sporetacus]
    #15929456 - 03/10/12 01:45 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Christianity was responsible for my conversion to drug use.




Now was Christianity responsible for your conversion to drug use, or was it Christians? Two totally separate (yet totally connected) situations.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: CreativeCatalysts]
    #15931037 - 03/10/12 08:58 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i love etymology....brilliant, curenado





in highschool i aced every single etym test, but i failed over all cos i didnt keep a journal full of 'proof' of the words i learned. fucking hell. i maintain to this day that drifting in and out dreams (i slept in class) had a truly bizarre effect on my language learning.


for instance, i fell asleep in study hall once while reading finnegans wake and saw in the dream what the hell joyce was talking about. ANYWAY i digress


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Basilides]
    #15933308 - 03/11/12 01:26 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Basilides said:
Oya.. fivepointer..

think we can convince him to dose?



I went from being an Agnostic to being a Christian.  I have many psychedelic experiences prior to my conversion.  I think my experiences convinced me that there is more to the world than all things being physical.


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: curenado]
    #15933732 - 03/11/12 03:23 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I was thinking about the "Bible Word" (Hebrew) for "Mushroom".

The word is "PTRYH" (as "pt-ree-yah")

Which means - pt=bread + ree-yah = sight, or rather, divine sight/to
see the divine/God


Really?  I've known the prayer over bread since I was a little boy. LHM, or L'chem (gutteral 'ch'). But, I'm going to ask an Israeli co-worker about mushroom in Hebrew.

http://jhom.com/topics/bread/hebrew.html


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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #15937616 - 03/12/12 12:42 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

hildegard von bingen was a christian mystic who used psychedelics. she wrote extensively on botany and was a prolific artist. amanita's are often woven into the fabric of her paintings that depict her visions. her musical compositions have an other-wordly feel to them and are very psychedelic. hildegard's visions were sanctioned as being legitimate by the church and she was appointed an abbess; one of the earliest female abbess's if i'm not mistaken. i've studied her art and her music and she's definitely someone i'd like to study more.


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