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ProgFron
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Christians and psychedelics... 1
#5586132 - 05/03/06 02:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hello, I'm new here so I'll introduce myself a bit. My name's Francis, I'm from Holland. My hobbies are mainly music, both listening and creating it and reading about religion, entheogens that kinda stuff.
On to my question: Are there Christians around that have used psychedelics in a spiritual way, as in gettin' closer to God? I'm interested in this, but was never able to find people that are intrested like me.
Spiral out, Keep goin...
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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: ProgFron] 1
#5586155 - 05/03/06 03:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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There are! And welcome.
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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: ProgFron] 1
#5586164 - 05/03/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Psychedelics are responsible for my conversion to Christianity. If you're interested, you can read about it here.
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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Silversoul]
#5586202 - 05/03/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Christianity was responsible for my conversion to drug use.
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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Sporetacus]
#5586207 - 05/03/06 03:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Same here!
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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Sporetacus]
#5586212 - 05/03/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sporetacus said: Christianity was responsible for my conversion to drug use.
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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: mikeownow]
#5586218 - 05/03/06 03:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Did you really find that mushroom growing inside the Pringles can? That is too wild!
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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Sporetacus]
#5586221 - 05/03/06 03:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well said.
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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Sporetacus]
#5586225 - 05/03/06 03:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sporetacus said: Christianity was responsible for my conversion to drug use.
Could you explain that, please?
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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: ProgFron]
#5586239 - 05/03/06 03:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I could if I wasn't all wasted.
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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Sporetacus]
#5586250 - 05/03/06 03:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sporetacus said: Christianity was responsible for my conversion to drug use.
Hey! That might actually be true for me also.
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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Icelander]
#5586366 - 05/03/06 03:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Bible seems to be in support of the freedom to use psychedelic drugs...... or at least marijuana and "green" plants.
Whether or not part of Christianity is using them is hard to say, but I would say "If it works"
Christianity seems more compatible with drug use than most religions around today, which makes the prohibition through the religious right rather ironic.
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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: leery11]
#5586392 - 05/03/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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for christian confirmation on mushroom and other entheogen use search "cappodicea" monasteries and florida mycology / TEO journals... :psychsplit
here is a link to Florida Mycology: http://www.mushroomsfmrc.com/gpage1.html
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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: leery11]
#5586393 - 05/03/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Christianity seems more compatible with drug use than most religions around today, which makes the prohibition through the religious right rather ironic.
Why do you say that? I think eastern religions are much more compatable with drug use and have a history of it.
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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: leery11]
#5586407 - 05/03/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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leery11 said: The Bible seems to be in support of the freedom to use psychedelic drugs...... or at least marijuana and "green" plants.
Any biblical passages, that come to mind, that point that out?
It's cool to actually find people that are interested like me. The only drug I've ever taken was marijuana, but I'm highly interested in . But I don't need drugs to point out to me that God exist, as was proven again today.
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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: ProgFron]
#5586433 - 05/03/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Read: Mark 7:15 and 7:18
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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Icelander]
#5586555 - 05/03/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Christianity seems more compatible with drug use than most religions around today, which makes the prohibition through the religious right rather ironic.
Why do you say that? I think eastern religions are much more compatable with drug use and have a history of it.
well in most sects of buddhism any and all intoxicants are strictly prohibited so its easy to understand why someone would find eastern religion incompatable with psychedelics, howeever, you are correct about their being a long history of use.
as for christianity, there is nothing in the bible that suggests drug is is ok as far as i know. sure it says man has the right to use every plant but this also includes poisonous plants and ingesting poisonous plants violates the body as a temple so this alone cannot be used to support drug use. furthermore, use of psychedelics would most likely be considered witchcraft or sorcery in bliblical times and the bible comes down pretty hard on that. and lastly, although it allows for moderate drinking of wine, it condemns drunkeness several times. if drunkeniss is a sin, than it doesn't any make sense to simply assume that its alright to become intoxicated from other drugs. although, as far as i know, the bible doesn't specifically condemn drug use.
Edited by Deviate (05/03/06 04:41 PM)
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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: curenado]
#5586703 - 05/03/06 05:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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http://people.etnoteam.it/maiocchi/fabbro.htm
Stephen and kathy Peele of the Florida Mycology Research Center are righteous folk. I was obtaining spores from them in the 1980s.
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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: ProgFron] 1
#5586715 - 05/03/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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There are some of us here, but I am a Gnostic Christian, not a 'Literalist' Christian. Most of us were eliminated by the end of the 2nd century C.E. I found Christ through LSD use over 30 years ago.
Shalom.
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Re: Christians and psychedelics... [Re: Icelander]
#5586813 - 05/03/06 05:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Christianity seems more compatible with drug use than most religions around today, which makes the prohibition through the religious right rather ironic.
Why do you say that? I think eastern religions are much more compatable with drug use and have a history of it.
I say that because in the Bible it is completely supportive of all plants being created by God for the use of humans.
Jesus said it is not what goes into your mouth that defiles you, but what comes out. And if calamus = kaenh-bosm = cannabis some theorize that John the Baptist annointed people with a severely strong cannabis tincture .... and that this is the "new wine" and in fact Jesus partook of cannabis in order to commune with father.
Compare this with Buddhism.... no intoxicants. However it was Alan Watts who said (i think it was... I'm not sure) that it's okay in extreme moderation for spiritual gimpses of things, be it LSD, marijuana, mescaline, etc..... that the main goal is that you are not using for intoxication and you are not using as a pattern, or heedlessly, rather, but for spiritual pursuit.
Still, most Buddhists will straight up say you cannot use drugs at all..... that they are a hinderance to enlightenment and make it difficult to meditate.
Cannabis and hinduism seem very fine...... they even use it to help with yoga.
Taoists? I'm not sure at all.... I guess facotring in Hinduism eastern religion may be a bit more tolerant, but it's hard to say.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
Edited by leery11 (05/03/06 05:32 PM)
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