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What do you do when you can't get away from thinking?
    #5585159 - 05/03/06 10:31 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Hey guys...
My main reason for tripping is wanting to use the mushrooms as a spiritual experience and one that will help me evolve as a person... I think a lot of ppl here do that with good results.
The first time I tripped it was absolutly amazing everything was so beautifull and I was so happy. I didn't trip for a long time after that. Through what I had experienced I didn't feel like I needed to again. It was such a beautifull overwhelming experience that it was just all I had wanted.
2 years later I have started tripping relativly regularly and I haven't experienced anything like the first time again. One time I had a somewhat bad trip because I got cought in a loop for 1+ hour just blabbering the same stuff over and over again. I had taken too many shrooms really that I could handle.
The next 2 times I took shrooms though (I took much less) it was simular. I couldn't really let myself in on the trip because I was too much in my head with thoughts going on and on... this is momentairily a problem of mine and I don't really know how to get away from it. Though I'd really like to experience tripping as it can be and I think tripping could also help me overcome that but I'M not sure how... perhaps someone has some experience or ideas.

I hope you guys know what I'M talking about, but I think some of you do...
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Re: What do you do when you can't get away from thinking? [Re: BMArts]
    #5585249 - 05/03/06 10:58 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

well... drugs can teach us lots of things but sometimes we're not ready to learn!
my bet is you've built some sort of expectation around your mushroom use and that expectation is hard to fulfill (SP?)

you have to feel exectly when the time is right and when you should avoide it...
it's not the mushrooms that make the trip it's YOU and your mind set! if you're taking mushrooms to get into a certine mind set then most likely you won't get there.

i've had enough "bad trips" on cannabis for this reason... expecting cannabis to give me a certine mind set but getting totally off track insted achiving the exect oposit of what i was looking for!

but i got to know my self and my cannabis and now i smoke only when i feel it's right OR when i smoke even if it's not a perfect occation i KNOW what to expect and deal with it accordingly (what would be much harder on mushrooms i suppose?)


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Re: What do you do when you can't get away from thinking? [Re: BMArts]
    #5585252 - 05/03/06 10:59 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

put on good "traveling music",lie down and place blindfold on.
Practice breathing exercises .Cant go wrong.


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Re: What do you do when you can't get away from thinking? [Re: kija]
    #5585351 - 05/03/06 11:33 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

If you want to stop thinking so much, try meditation before hand and during the trip.

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Re: What do you do when you can't get away from thinking? [Re: kija]
    #5585357 - 05/03/06 11:34 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Focus on your breath.  Your breathing.  In 2 3 out 2 3. 

And don't fear "the loop."  I know it can be scary when you're there.  But it's just a loop, afterall.  It's made of you!  :smile:

Think of it this way...you ARE 'all in your head' ALL THE TIME anyway, whether you're tripping or not.  Psychedelics just make you more aware of an already existing phenomenon. 

What helped me with fear while tripping is realizing that anything I encounter during a trip (including thoughts) is just ALL ME (YOU).  Why choose to be afraid of yourself?  You might as well accept it ALL.  :smile:

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Re: What do you do when you can't get away from thinking? [Re: BMArts]
    #5585662 - 05/03/06 12:44 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

a strong meditiation practice is ESSENTIAL...

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Re: What do you do when you can't get away from thinking? [Re: dedjam]
    #5585740 - 05/03/06 01:02 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

anyone have any good meditation techniques? or links to a good website?


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Re: What do you do when you can't get away from thinking? [Re: BMArts]
    #5592064 - 05/04/06 10:43 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

If you want a good mental training technique, try this: find a good-sized mirror and a comfy place to sit.
Set the mirror up so you can look at your reflection.
Stare into your own eyes and try to look as corpse-like as possible: all expression void, relax your face and eyes completely.
Focus on maintaining your gaze without blinking, without moving your shoulders.
That works for me.
It quiets the thoughts.
Like the others said, when you do that regularly the lesson sticks with you when you need it.


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Re: What do you do when you can't get away from thinking? [Re: Simisu]
    #5592203 - 05/04/06 11:22 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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simisu said:
well... drugs can teach us lots of things but sometimes we're not ready to learn!
my bet is you've built some sort of expectation around your mushroom use and that expectation is hard to fulfill (SP?)

you have to feel exectly when the time is right and when you should avoide it...
it's not the mushrooms that make the trip it's YOU and your mind set! if you're taking mushrooms to get into a certine mind set then most likely you won't get there.

i've had enough "bad trips" on cannabis for this reason... expecting cannabis to give me a certine mind set but getting totally off track insted achiving the exect oposit of what i was looking for!

but i got to know my self and my cannabis and now i smoke only when i feel it's right OR when i smoke even if it's not a perfect occation i KNOW what to expect and deal with it accordingly (what would be much harder on mushrooms i suppose?)




I wholeheartedly agree. Spiritual and psychological insights or epiphanies are rarely, if ever, planned.
Interesting title for your question, though; one of my personal mantras is "Don't think."

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Re: What do you do when you can't get away from thinking? [Re: Land_Crab]
    #5592266 - 05/04/06 11:43 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Meditation scroll down theres some good links.


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Re: What do you do when you can't get away from thinking? [Re: DIRTYMAN]
    #5596572 - 05/06/06 12:29 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I'd lose the mirror if its your first time trippin.


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Re: What do you do when you can't get away from thinking? [Re: BMArts]
    #5596699 - 05/06/06 01:17 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I just let myself think. I can see how it would drive some people nuts thinking the same thing for long periods of time. I don't mind it though.

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Re: What do you do when you can't get away from thinking? [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #5596868 - 05/06/06 02:58 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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I just let myself think. I can see how it would drive some people nuts thinking the same thing for long periods of time. I don't mind it though.




Well for me there'd be no point in this since what it does is take me away from focusing on the trip and actually letting myself in on experiencing what is there and what the trip is showing me because I'm just locked in my head the whole time. This is what I am trying to get away from


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Re: What do you do when you can't get away from thinking? [Re: BMArts]
    #5596922 - 05/06/06 03:40 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

i love seeing posts about "the loop" i love that you even called it "the loop" above poster.

same thing, mushrooms give me the loop every so often, not in a long while though. i haven't gotten it in a long time, i think i learned to close the gap bettween feeling and action and thats why it went away. i think knowing what you want out of life helps.


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Re: What do you do when you can't get away from thinking? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5597094 - 05/06/06 07:24 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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i love seeing posts about "the loop" i love that you even called it "the loop" above poster.

same thing, mushrooms give me the loop every so often, not in a long while though.  i haven't gotten it in a long time, i think i learned to close the gap bettween feeling and action and thats why it went away. i think knowing what you want out of life helps.




thats right!
since writing my other post in this thread i've had my second trip and encountered that loop for my self... i was pretty distressed about it (mainly because i was going solo) but once i picked up the phone and called my mom and then a friend it got me growneded pretty good and it got me accepting this reality and i was able to enjoy the trip...

and it was only because i have NO idea what i want with my life... if i had some sort of ambition or occupation i could have devoted my time for it and enjoyed every second of it.
having none of that everything seems point less and moot.

so what halped me was talking with someone close that is able to understand me and make me feel ok about it... there is no ascaping it there is only dealing with "it" (whatever IT is... thoughts/feelings/existance)

what ellemy said made much more sense to me after the trip :tongue:


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Re: What do you do when you can't get away from thinking? [Re: BMArts]
    #5597261 - 05/06/06 09:22 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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My main reason for tripping is wanting to use the mushrooms as a spiritual experience and one that will help me evolve as a person.
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I couldn't really let myself in on the trip because I was too much in my head with thoughts going on and on... this is momentairily a problem of mine and I don't really know how to get away from it.





Dude, that is the spiritual path :rotfl:

No seriously, you are on the right track and now stand before an important crossroads in your psychospiritual growth.

Will you go left, the Land of Nice, which shows you all the wonderful colors and gets you back for taters and applesauce come dinnertime, or..
Or..
Will you take the other path, the dangerous one, the one where fantasy and reality mesh, the place with wolves, the place where there be Dragons?

This is your crossroads, and you will remain in a state of  doodoocaca until you go one of either ways, or the third way, go back from whence you came, and never trip again.

Most people do not have what it takes, and that is OK because it takes a whole lot and the gains are quite uncertain.

Most people opt out. They either quit using mushrooms or learn how to repress the parts of the Experience that they do not like and build a dam here and a levy there to alter the flow of things instead of going with it.

Will you have what it takes to face up to your True Self, see all your good sides and abysmal failures and shortcomings? Will you be prepared to go straight through Hell to find Heaven in the heart of it? Are you ready to suffer intensely for the Greater Good?

If you want to walk the spiritual path in honesty it will not be pretty. Jesus was taken to the mountain to be crucified and died, as will you die in Spirit, in a similar process called Ego Death.

Will you take the Red Pill, the Blue Pill or say you have to pee and then flee through the bathroom window :wink:

Make up your mind. If you want to enjoy the psychedelic mindstate, then that is just OK, then you must learn how to psychologically manouvre in such a way that you can stay out of "trouble" like most people do.

If you want to go the psychedelic shaman's way however then you will have to TOTALLY surrender to the ecstasies and the agonies and feel all of it without holding back. Total surrender to your True Self, your Dark Side, the Universe and that strange yet Divine mushroom.

If you want to alter the flow and keep the experience relatively superficial then you must create a distraction so captivating that it breaks the loop of continuous thought. Direct your attention away. You will learn life skills but this neednt be good per se.

If you however want to go with the flow, the real flow, then steer your ship into the hurricane, because only in the eye of the storm will you find profound peace and meaning. You do this by surrendering, completely surrendering to what is happening, and experiencing it to the fullest. Sit comfortably or lie down, close your eyes and be the ball in the celestial soccergame :wink:

Your thought/babble loop is just one big doodoocaca escape reaction to not face up to some Inner Truth which you do not want to see, because you flee from the experience and therefore, yourself. You do this to avoid hurt, an MOUTAIN of hurt, and to avoid a Life's Change, a HUGE change.

Its not because you took too much: it's because you took enough

This is the crossroads. Left, right, or back from where you came?
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Re: What do you do when you can't get away from thinking? [Re: Asante]
    #5597283 - 05/06/06 09:33 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

:yesnod: :pill:


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Re: What do you do when you can't get away from thinking? [Re: BMArts]
    #5606624 - 05/08/06 09:07 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I would bet that psychedelics only enhance just about EVERYTHING. Your mood, weather, friends, problems, perception and even thinking. You can get overloaded. Find yourself in a loop but wait! Ain't our whole society like this? Running in circles around worthless things (you know - money, power, social position...) until we drop dead? Think about it.

hoboblues: just lie down and concentrate on breathing. Don't struggle with your thoughts. Let them flow but don't bind with them. There are few links on erowid.org in "Spirituality" section.


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Re: What do you do when you can't get away from thinking? [Re: BMArts]
    #5607668 - 05/09/06 06:10 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

One thing I like to do while I'm tripping is ask a question. It seems to direct the journey and can give real insight into where I am at. One time I asked what I should be doing with my life, eventually an answer came back "It doesn't matter what you do with your life - every act of existence is a perfect expression of the divine, so nothing you do or don't do, is better or worse than anything else. But if you really want to 'DO' something then sing."

So go hardcore spiritual seeking if you want, or just low dose with friends for a laugh, there is no right or wrong to it, eventually you may come to realise that it is all one big ball of love and be grateful that you are alive and in it.


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Re: What do you do when you can't get away from thinking? [Re: Asante]
    #5608358 - 05/09/06 11:32 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Will you have what it takes to face up to your True Self, see all your good sides and abysmal failures and shortcomings? Will you be prepared to go straight through Hell to find Heaven in the heart of it? Are you ready to suffer intensely for the Greater Good?





This is exactly how I feel right now.

As I've ventured further and further into this state..Ive found I have to go through hell to reach heaven. I have to face myself and my inner thoughts. I have to sort out my lifes problems before I can enjoy myself. Ive found it to be the most painful, yet most wonderful experience ever. There is no greater feeling than the pure bliss that comes after u have felt like dying.

Shrooms show you, yourself... Its hard to truely know yourself if you run away.


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