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Have you ever talked to God?
    #5584795 - 05/03/06 08:28 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I used to be an Athiest, until one trip so intense I swear I talked to him - or to it - whatever that living entity is that we're all part of. Coming down was one of the most painful experiences ever, simply because I wanted to stay part of that force, whatever it was.

So, how about you guys? Have any of you ever talked to God before?


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Re: Have you ever talked to God? [Re: wiggles]
    #5584806 - 05/03/06 08:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well I cant say that I have ever talked with "god" before, although, there are many many gods out there. I'm agnostic and also theist, so I really dont know just yet, maybe someday I would like to converse with the creator. Or maybe it is that we are part of the creator, and in that case, yes I have talked to god.


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Re: Have you ever talked to God? [Re: Kerr]
    #5584817 - 05/03/06 08:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah.. maybe God isn't the correct term, but its the closest thing that I can think of to describe what it was like.


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Re: Have you ever talked to God? [Re: Kerr]
    #5584825 - 05/03/06 08:39 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i havent ever neccesarily "heard" God or had a conversation, but when im tripping, i have a different perception of the things that i see and they feel like messages from God that i'm supposed to figure out. things like a sunset, or laying underneath tree branches and looking up through them, the clouds, whatever strikes me at the moment.


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Re: Have you ever talked to God? [Re: PurpleKush]
    #5584835 - 05/03/06 08:42 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Oh here is something that I just thought of. I had a low dose of mushrooms this weekend during a camping trip. During the night, I realized that I was saying something to myself in my head, how long I had be repeatin it was unknown. "My mind is still with you" was the mantra I was saying in my head, I found it very strange that I had not noticed it, even though it was my own voice, but it seemed like something from outside of me was with me. :shrug:


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Re: Have you ever talked to God? [Re: Kerr]
    #5585771 - 05/03/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I believe we're all God (according to Ramtha's teachings and other beliefs)... so probably you just got in touch with the inner part of yourself which still remembers it's divinity :smile: And boy do thay talk; i've been there, having THE conversation with this entities that know everything about me.


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Re: Have you ever talked to God? [Re: Kerr]
    #5585789 - 05/03/06 01:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

This one time I took "too much" and...

Realized I was wrong about some things, and felt an overwhelming presence...

I started visualizing myself as a hippie, and it was startling, because I was now "realizing" the "Divinity" brought upon by the use of certain plants/fungi and their derivatives.

I was visualizing hippies, attempting to look like Jesus...
Then I realized spirituality, and the "flaws" of Science, being an institution of 'objective' reality, and thus worthless in this non-material 'reality' I was experiencing. Freaked me out, to say the least...

Soon it progressed even further, and I in fact realized that I was "God," simply because I was divulging the fact of my divinity, I was in essence Divine.

So a little ways down the line I realized that there were many prophets who hailed this force which manifested our bodily constitutions, and without my sober consent, I had now become one...

It seemed like people were at this time turning to me for some kind of answer, and generally looking at me as if I had some great message to bring...

All the information comes in so quick you don't have time to "correctly" process it, it basically bypasses whatever mechanism is employed for skepticism, because eventually it "just is."

Luckily for us, there's plenty of time when you're not tripping to sit and sort it all out.
---------------------------------------------------------------------At the time "God," for lack of a better word, seemed like a good explanation. However, I feel, especially in Western society, that word connotes an image which is not entirely descriptive, nor does it allow proper merit, for such an entity.

I've come to refer to it as, the "Universal Network," or in an attempt to not sound so nerdy, simply "The Network."

A healthy human body, and thus a healthy CNS effectively filters out or "mediates" certain inputs of information which flow from this network, a network we're all (Everything) connected to. The body effectively lowers, or dampens that connection to The Network.

Essentially for the purpose of experiencing a particular "program" of the Network (Earth and everything which is within our Humanly grasp can be referred to as the "Program" which we're interacting with now.) With the addition of the body, "one" can experience the Network from the perception of an "individual" with their own little distinct way of viewing the program. Limitations are imposed, and this allows us to be "trapped" within this particular program, like I stated, for the purpose of experience. The Network "is" and arguably, it is "all." It manifests itself into little experience venues to explore itself within a new paradigm, one which contrasts the omnipotent, omniscient, just omni-everything state of existence.

Tryptamines have the potential to temporarily shut off certain filters, or as Huxley says, "open the valve to the mind-at-large."

So you turn that valve--to open-- and a bunch of "biologically useless" information starts to pour in, information that the CNS usually is able to filter out.

I could be entirely wrong, or entirely right... Unlike temporal things of this Earth, we cannot find out... and this... my friends, is the beauty of 'individualized' human existence...

(I came up with a theory to explain synesthesia, see being part of the Network, we are "always" aware of everything around us. However, the body chooses only to receive certain bits of information, ones it is "programmed" to receive through biological units that receive stimuli-- visual, scent, hearing, etc... However, these are just, like the rest of the CNS, filtration units. When you turn off the efficiency of the entire processing unit, it becomes aware of bits of information as they are, instead of being processed by specific interpretation units. Your brain just doesn't know which unit to use anymore to interpret the information, thus you begin to "understand" this information in an entirely different scope...)

So for about 60 years or so on average, you come here and, in vain, try to figure out what the hell is going on.

That's one thing, maybe the only thing, an omnipotent, all-knowing, all-being entity could not do...

Just one of the theories I've contrived in my short 18 years of being in this goofy mess. Good thing I've got lots of time to revise it... would really be nice to become a Neuroscientist so 'people,' that silly experimental species, would listen to me, and not be able to scoff at my theories; simply because I have a degree which is viewed in this society as warranting my intellectual aptitude.

So I suppose I have talked with "God," who informed me, through psychtropic plants/fungi (Hey, we are heterotrophic by nature, if we procure our nutrients in such a manner, perhaps it's not so far-off to believe we can achieve enlightenment, too?) that I had a message to bring, if I should feel compelled to do so, which would shed the whole "Right" and "wrong" theorems and install (most like, as seems to be effective with Homo sapiens, through inculcations) methods which are most "efficient." Because right and wrong is subjective, but the most efficient is just quite simply, the most efficient for this corporeal existence. And that entails being a Human, the organism which holds distinguishment in its ability to understand and alter the environment.

It would be most efficient to work "with" the environment, and re-realize our inherent connection to it... and one could argue, everything else.

Because right now we're just cancer on the Earth, a progressive organism that thinks it can live on its own despite the fact that it derives it's life source from something it's killing... Well guess what, cancer dies when the body dies, damned it.

That's a long-ass post.


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Re: Have you ever talked to God? [Re: wiggles]
    #5585830 - 05/03/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Every day. It's not so unusual.


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Re: Have you ever talked to God? [Re: MOTH]
    #5585864 - 05/03/06 01:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I may not have talked to god before, but i swear that i have found the meaning of life in my hands when shrooming really hard.

I forgot what it was the next day though :frown:


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Re: Have you ever talked to God? [Re: AngeloWish]
    #5585886 - 05/03/06 01:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

^^^ Love is not that hard to remember :wink:

or is it?


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Re: Have you ever talked to God? [Re: AngeloWish]
    #5586187 - 05/03/06 03:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I consider "love" to be a solid connection to the Network, UH!

You love somebody when you re-connect to the Network through them...


Is this the point of life?

This is a matter of contention. Perhaps there's many points to life...

The point of my life is to be clever... very clever.


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Re: Have you ever talked to God? [Re: Herbus]
    #5586474 - 05/03/06 04:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

when your basking in pure love, and realize love is the energy that permeated us all and binds us all together its easier to put the answer into practice. walking the enlightened path is hard, psychedelics are good shortcut to that place even if only temporarily. but i love what everyone has said. as lennon said All you need is love


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Re: Have you ever talked to God? [Re: wiggles]
    #5586629 - 05/03/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think everyone has a different opinion on what god is, whether you are talking about christianities god, or just God in the sense of any higher being. I personally think god is created by our own minds, and the other day someone posted this link that pretty much nailed all my thoughts on the head (not the specific biological stuff they talk about, which is new to me and makes a ton of sense).

https://notes.utk.edu/bio/greenberg.nsf/0/e938e40271ec394c85256a4a00626175?OpenDocument

"One experience common to many spiritual states is hearing the voice of God. It seems to arise when you misattribute inner speech (the “little voice” in your head that you know you generate yourself) to something outside yourself. During such experiences, the brain’’s Broca’’s area (responsible for speech production) switches on. Most of us can tell this is our inner voice speaking. But when sensory information is restricted, as happens during meditation or prayer, people are “more likely to misattribute internally generated thoughts to an external source,” suggests psychologist Richard Bentall of the University of Manchester in England in the book “Varieties of Anomalous Experience.”

I dont think it could be more well said than that. The image of a god that creates us is more of a security issue for most people to feel comfort in their lives. After all, uncertainty is scary to many people and would rather blindly believe something than to be unsure about what they are thinking.


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Re: Have you ever talked to God? [Re: LedHead]
    #5586652 - 05/03/06 04:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I agree with you ledhead that walking the enlightened path is hard, and that psychedelics are a good shortcut to that place.

Psychedelics can get you to that place, but only temporarily, while meditation and extreme focus for an uncertain amount of time for anyone can also get them to that state of being, permanently, and with out the aid of psychedelics. Many people will take the shortcut without hesitation and brush hard work off and patience off to the side.


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Re: Have you ever talked to God? [Re: Staypuft]
    #5586679 - 05/03/06 05:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I think everyone has a different opinion on what god is, whether you are talking about christianities god, or just God in the sense of any higher being.  I personally think god is created by our own minds, and the other day someone posted this link that pretty much nailed all my thoughts on the head (not the specific biological stuff they talk about, which is new to me and makes a ton of sense).

https://notes.utk.edu/bio/greenberg.nsf/0/e938e40271ec394c85256a4a00626175?OpenDocument

"One experience common to many spiritual states is hearing the voice of God. It seems to arise when you misattribute inner speech (the “little voice” in your head that you know you generate yourself) to something outside yourself. During such experiences, the brain’’s Broca’’s area (responsible for speech production) switches on. Most of us can tell this is our inner voice speaking. But when sensory information is restricted, as happens during meditation or prayer, people are “more likely to misattribute internally generated thoughts to an external source,” suggests psychologist Richard Bentall of the University of Manchester in England in the book “Varieties of Anomalous Experience.”

I dont think it could be more well said than that.  The image of a god that creates us is more of a security issue for most people to feel comfort in their lives.  After all, uncertainty is scary to many people and would rather blindly believe something than to be unsure about what they are thinking.




It's all the same in my mind.  If that little voice in my head isn't GOD, then who is it?  Me?  But who am I?  :shocked:

I've been through circles and circles of these kind of thoughts.  Me?  GOD?  Is there a real difference?  Not that I can see.  :wink: :tongue2: :mushroom2:


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Re: Have you ever talked to God? [Re: MOTH]
    #5586777 - 05/03/06 05:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i smoked a blunt with some friends.

was spacing out pretty hard.

said "God?"

and the wall said "Yes?"


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Re: Have you ever talked to God? [Re: leery11]
    #5590368 - 05/04/06 02:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yea I talked with God and Jesus on mushrooms on 2 seperate occasions, your not all gonna believe me but They showed their power to me so I wouldn't go crazy the next day trying to figure out what happened to myself. I believe more than anything else in the world that it was a true experience. I was enlightened on what good I have done in my life so far, and what I have to get ready for in the future.


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Re: Have you ever talked to God? [Re: sandman_130]
    #5590837 - 05/04/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yea, i talk to God all the time...but its not really a talk, no one can talk to God, we have questions trials and tribulations in our mind and heart, you look for him, he'll answer.. i dont really understand the athiest thing, you have to acknowlege that there is a God,not to believe in... but anyway

yea, people are so smart, so free thinking and intelligent, they refuse to seek answers from somethin they cant see, but thats the biggest test in life, havinf all your faith and love and everything else u have left, into something u cant see. he is there, he always knows whats goin on, he usually comes when ur at rock bottom lowest of low, thats the only time u can really hear him, its ur choice to listen or not. as i said before with the free thinking thing, you dont have to go to church to be close to God, u dont have to be religious to be spiritual, if u really want to talk to him though, you have to look for him, bible, just flip through pages and start reading, your not conforming, your not catagorized or boxed in, hes help


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Re: Have you ever talked to God? [Re: caboomers]
    #5590923 - 05/04/06 06:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

" dont really understand the athiest thing, you have to acknowlege that there is a God,not to believe in... "

if that's the case, you have to acknowlege there is a dragon in front of you in order not to believe it.
Acknowlege that your mind is a very powerful thing that can play tricks on you in the form of anything, but choose to believe that what you hear is not a creation of your own mind. Acknowlege that your mind is a very powerful thing, in order to believe that your parents, life, and reality as we know it is not a creation of our very own minds.


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Re: Have you ever talked to God? [Re: caboomers]
    #5590942 - 05/04/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

my 2 experiences with deities were both with salvia. the first one was with a being on a different level of existence, but deffinately not the creator or anything, he was just one being that watched over others like him, as they experienced different realities. sort of like a nurse really, just making sure that those that were ready to leave or have come back for a bit wouldn't be completely at loss. There could have been many like him who work in shifts, but he was the only one i saw with that job anyway. I walked with him through the reality above ours and we conversed, not in words as we known it, but a communication none the less. he then led me back to my reality and even after i came out of the daze he touched me to let me know it wasn't just a mind-fuck.


The other time i was basically on a huge stretching smooth grey surface, with the horizon the sky, and everything being the same grey. and there was one guy in a business suit, that split into 3 and reformed himself again. i talked with them and the conversation led to them telling me to not come back to that place, since i ran the risk of messing up other peoples lives with just my presence.

i then came back from the trip into our reality, and thought to myself: hmm was probably just some crazy trip that didn't mean anything. they returned having sensed this thought since they are made up out of a part of all of us, so they have a connection to look into our minds and control them to a certain extent(telling us what's real,what's possible,impossible,etc.) and then they started showing me possible futures and pasts if i didn't heed their warning.

It was such a huge flood of different possibilities and minor tweaks in them that i only remember a few of them. one of the pasts was that during the trip i screamed, and woke my parents and i heard the different conversations i could have with them, and their outcomes. They then showed me that if i followed their request i would have not screamed, and everything would be ok. So i told them that i would do as they wish.

I was so on edge for hours afterwards with still voices of the conversations playing in my head as warnings. I really wasn't sure if the calling of my name was real or not, since it sounded like they were getting more annoyed from me not answering, and heard footsteps coming my way and stuff. In the end i just stayed in bed until i fell asleep out of exhaustion.

Was very strange though, and gave me an insight into the lives of people with schizophrenia, the voices are so real, you don't know if you should answer or not, and then real sounds come along and you start questioning them....horrible.


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