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Biting The Hand That Feeds
#5584310 - 05/03/06 12:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not a bad little read, I enjoyed it.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060426/OPINION04/60426014
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On May 1st, the activists who brought you thousands of Mexican flags flying in marches down the streets of our cities are now bringing you "Nothing Gringo Day". With help from the Mexican government, Mexican unions, Mexican political groups, and through the Spanish language radio and newspapers, the call has gone out to make America experience a total boycott, both here and in Mexico. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
Just the word "boycott" sparks the image of noble dissent in the face of economic or social oppression. I think of American colonials bucking British economic interests in retaliation to the Stamp Act. Or perhaps the ostracizing of Irish landlord Charles Boycott, the namesake of the verb for all tyrannized people. If not tyrannized, at least disgruntled. If not disgruntled, maybe just bored.
Yet, isn't the key to a successful boycott an economic or social upper-hand? The cost must be felt if the offending party be forced to reform. For example, how does boycotting a movie you had no intention of going to affect the box office? More people probably see a boycotted movie due to the attention than if it had simply been ignored.
President Carter thought he was on to something when he kept American athletes out of the 1980 Moscow Olympics. That showed 'em. That particular boycott neither got the USSR out of Afghanistan nor brought down the Berlin Wall. It just caused our own athletes to suffer.
The May 1st anti-Gringo-fest is also being billed as "A Day Without Immigrants" which is a misnomer on a couple of counts. First, the threatened boycott fails to conjure the image of a Norwegian refusing to buy his May 1 lutefisk at the corner Fareway. Second, the pro-amnesty groups are insistent on confusing legal and illegal immigration. Let's not start mixing our apples and oranges. The issue before Congress is illegal immigration. Perhaps the May 1st boycott should give America a glimpse into "A Day Without ILLEGAL Immigration."
What would that May 1st look like without illegal immigration? There would be no one to smuggle across our southern border the heroin, marijuana, cocaine, and methamphetamines that plague the United States, reducing the U.S. supply of meth that day by 80%. The lives of 12 U.S. citizens would be saved who otherwise die a violent death at the hands of murderous illegal aliens each day. Another 13 Americans would survive who are otherwise killed each day by uninsured drunk driving illegals. Our hospital emergency rooms would not be flooded with everything from gunshot wounds, to anchor babies, to imported diseases to hangnails, giving American citizens the day off from standing in line behind illegals. Eight American children would not suffer the horror as a victim of a sex crime.
On the negative side, the price of a pound of tomatoes might go up from $0.79 to $0.80. That is unless you have a garden. But I'm guessing that the Mexican drug lords are not taking May 1st off. Neither will the 11,000 illegal invaders that pour over our border every other day of the year. It is a safe bet that the U.S. Border Patrol will have a very busy "Nothing Gringo Day."
Since September 11th, it remains true that OBL is the greatest threat to America. I will leave it to the reader to decide if the greatest threat is Osama bin Laden or the Open Borders Lobby. The emerging cheap labor "ruling class" in America is the strongest supporter of amnesty for illegals. Their anti-American "new servant class" has chosen to boycott them; the very definition of irony. On May 1st, Primero de Mayo, Americans will observe, as illegal immigrants celebrate, "Bite the Hand That Feeds You Day."
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: gregorio]
#5584528 - 05/03/06 05:05 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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oh god, that a big burrito full of bullshit.
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: gregorio]
#5584535 - 05/03/06 05:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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What a poorly written reactionary piece of nonsense.
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: OJK]
#5584546 - 05/03/06 05:25 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The bias does indeed scream from between the lines... but immigrants are essentially doing just that.
"Thanks for letting me slip across your border unpunished... now give me the rights of a citizen, or I'll throw a tantrum!"
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: gregorio]
#5584557 - 05/03/06 05:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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What would that May 1st look like without illegal immigration? There would be no one to smuggle across our southern border the heroin, marijuana, cocaine, and methamphetamines that plague the United States, reducing the U.S. supply of meth that day by 80%.
haha, wow, such a very precise number, 80% it's amazing the technology for armchair politicians these days! 
the nothing gringo day is funny, because all the shit we buy is made in mexico and china. the only things they can really boycott, probably aren't worth buying anyways. the best things our country creates are pop-culture and war.
and you can pretend to "boycott" those all you want, but it doesn't matter.
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: fresh313]
#5588712 - 05/04/06 12:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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What specificaly about the letter that you found to be so full of shit?
Where there any inaccuracies in any of his statements?
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: gregorio]
#5589102 - 05/04/06 05:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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why dont we just ship everyone out of the country then it will be perfect.
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: gregorio]
#5589114 - 05/04/06 05:26 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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uhhhh. That 80% of the US meth supply comes from mexico and not guys named Buck, for one.
I'd also like to see a source on that violent death claim as well.
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: DirtMcgirt]
#5589175 - 05/04/06 06:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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alot of meth comes from mexico, but what does that have to do with illegal immigration?? theyd just sell it across the border to legal immigrants [americans], so blame the suppliers for americas drug problem, thats the oldest trick in the book. if whitey didnt love the tweak then mexicans wouldnt be druglords. so what percentage of fault lies with the supplier and what with the user ?
on people getting killed, if mexicans didnt kill them then someone else probably would. these people getting killed arent saints themselves. probably all gang related killings.
drunk driving, so what? compare the rate of drunk driving killings compared to white and to mexican, i bet youll find that mexicans kill way less then white people, but sure theres more white people, so prorate it and get back to me, im sure its exactly the same if not less of a ratio of mexican drunk drivers to white/black drunks.
again child molestation, do that same thing, i bet youll find theres more white child molester ratio based on population than there is mexican.
so posting all of one races faults without comparing them logically to another doesnt mean shit.
and then leaving out all the Pros and just listing the Cons, doesnt make for a real picture.
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: fresh313]
#5589236 - 05/04/06 07:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fact: Illegals make up a big percentage of our prison population.
Monday, March 27, 2006 11:39 a.m. EST Justice Dept. Figures on Incarcerated Illegals
One of the more popular claims by illegal immigration proponents is that those who enter the U.S. by breaking the law are invariably "hard-working" and "law-abiding" once they get here.
That argument, however, has one major flaw. According to Justice Department statistics and the analysis of immigration experts, the "law-abiding" claim often isn't true.
"The U.S. Justice Department estimated that 270,000 illegal immigrants served jail time nationally in 2003. Of those, 108,000 were in California. Some estimates show illegals now make up half of California's prison population, creating a massive criminal subculture that strains state budgets and creates a nightmare for local police forces."
Citing an Urban Institute study, director of research for the Center for Immigration Studies Steven Camorata noted in 2004: "Roughly 17 percent of the prison population at the federal level are illegal aliens. That's a huge number since illegal aliens only account for about 3 percent of the total population." Former California Gov. Pete Wilson places the percentage of illegal aliens in U.S. prisons even higher. In 2001, he told Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly:
"We had problems related to the costs of educating children who were acknowledged to be in the country illegally, healthcare costs. One in five in our prison population were illegal immigrants who had been convicted of a felony after entering the country illegally."
The Federation for American Immigration Reform also turned to the Justice Department to get statistics on criminal aliens. They report:
"In March 2000, Congress made public Department of Justice statistics showing that, over the previous five years, the INS had released over 35,000 criminal aliens instead of deporting them. Over 11,000 of those released went on to commit serious crimes, over 1,800 of which were violent ones [including 98 homicides, 142 sexual assaults, and 44 kidnappings].
"In 2001, thanks to a decision by the Supreme Court, the INS was forced to release into our society over 3,000 criminal aliens [who collectively had been convicted of 125 homicides, 387 sex offenses, and 772 assault charges]." Up to a third of the U.S. federal prison population is composed of non-citizens, according to Federal Bureau of Prisons statistics - but not all non-citizen prison inmates are illegal aliens.
As to the "hard-working" claim, CIS notes: "The proportion of immigrant-headed households using at least one major welfare program is 24.5 percent compared to 16.3 percent for native households."
Investor's Business Daily concurs: "Once [illegals] get here, they are 50 percent more likely to be on welfare than citizens."
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5589243 - 05/04/06 07:56 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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maybe theres a reason why thier in jail or is it therye in jail beacuse thier just inherently bad people what happens to a illegal immigrant that cant work legally in the united states? how do they make money to support themself or thier illegal family. well the bread winning activites obviously arent going to be legal now are they. so america creates the problem , not the mexicans.
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: fresh313]
#5592451 - 05/05/06 12:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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fresh313 said: why don't we just ship everyone out of the country then it will be perfect.
Only those who entered this country illegally. While we probably will never attain perfection as a Nation, it does sound like a good place to start.
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: fresh313]
#5592463 - 05/05/06 12:59 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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fresh313 said:
what happens to a illegal immigrant that cant work legally in the united states? how do they make money to support themselves or their illegal family. well the bread winning activities obviously aren't going to be legal now are they. so America creates the problem , not the Mexicans.
I could really care less about the well being of illegal aliens and their families. We have American citizens who are in need and my heart and pockets will go out to them before they ever go out to a illegal alien.
And you are wrong when you say America created the problem. The Mexican government is the cause of all the problems and it is up to the Mexican people to get their own house in order. As long as we continue to let the flood of illegals enter this country their will never be an incentive for the Mexican government to change their ways or for the Mexican people to demand and force change.
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: gregorio]
#5592718 - 05/05/06 02:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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a mexican who runs across the border is just as american as you or i. the only real americans are on reservations.
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: fresh313]
#5592737 - 05/05/06 02:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Where does one begin with the above statement?
Why should I even try?
You are wrong on both of your points.
Seriously wrong.
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: gregorio]
#5592749 - 05/05/06 02:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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fresh313 said: what happens to a illegal immigrant that cant work legally in the united states?
Um....illegal immigrants can't work legally in this country at the present moment. It's been that way forever.
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: fresh313]
#5592755 - 05/05/06 02:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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fresh313 said: a mexican who runs across the border is just as american as you or i. the only real americans are on reservations.
Most innaccurate P,A,& L statement of the day, if not the week.
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5592871 - 05/05/06 03:52 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah what makes the irish potato famine fleers any different from the mexicans fleeing the economic famine of mexico?
what makes the quakers fleeing religious persecutiong in england any different from the mexicans fleeing economic drought?
everybody came to america running from something or looking to get rich.
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: fresh313]
#5592949 - 05/05/06 05:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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fresh313 said: yeah what makes the irish potato famine fleers any different from the mexicans fleeing the economic famine of mexico?
what makes the quakers fleeing religious persecutiong in england any different from the mexicans fleeing economic drought?
everybody came to america running from something or looking to get rich.
The difference would be that, for example, the irish family that my grandmother was from actually had enough respect to become legalized when they immigrated. They were LEGAL immigrants. The quakers who fled england to these shores did so before it was even a fucking country. You can't immigrate to a nation that doesn't exist. They just moved into territory that they viewed to be available.
Illegal mexican immigrants know that the nation is owned by others, they know that what they do violates the laws of those people. They don't care, they disobey them. They then act offended when they aren't given things that they don't deserve from people whose laws they didn't obey.
Mexican illegals: "Fuck your border laws, I'm going to stay here anyways. Give me handouts now. Fuck you all! GIMMIE!"
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: Konnrade]
#5592952 - 05/05/06 05:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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My Grandparents from one side of my family were immigrants..
They tried to learn the English language. And didn't too bad.
They made damn well sure their children did.
And to miss school for a protest?
No comment.
And they waved the American flag from day one.
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: gregorio]
#5592963 - 05/05/06 05:24 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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They just moved into territory that they viewed to be available.
point being, im pretty sure if the Europeans asked the Natives if they could move in (and accurately mention the volume to follow), they would have said no (ok, i admit thats 100% speculation).
So now, imagine you are an illegal immigrant. You haven't read our laws (i doubt most americans have either, myself included) on immigration, but you do know plenty of people who have made it over, and their families are now getting money...
what do you trust, the proof of a better life making changes right in front of you, or some words on paper that you have never read (maybe even can't)?
so in that alone, they are just moving "into territory that they viewed to be available."
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: kotik]
#5592968 - 05/05/06 05:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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kotik said:
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They just moved into territory that they viewed to be available.
point being, im pretty sure if the Europeans asked the Natives if they could move in (and accurately mention the volume to follow), they would have said no (ok, i admit thats 100% speculation).
So now, imagine you are an illegal immigrant. You haven't read our laws (i doubt most americans have either, myself included) on immigration, but you do know plenty of people who have made it over, and their families are now getting money...
what do you trust, the proof of a better life making changes right in front of you, or some words on paper that you have never read (maybe even can't)?
so in that alone, they are just moving "into territory that they viewed to be available."
I never made that quote! 
As for now that bothers me so much I refuse to reply to your post as of now.
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: gregorio]
#5593015 - 05/05/06 06:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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> I could really care less about the well being of illegal aliens and their families.
If you could care less, then why don't you?
> a mexican who runs across the border is just as american as you or i
By your (lack of) logic, everybody in the world is an American. Two hundred and thirty some odd years ago, I might agree with you... but this isn't the 1700's and the world has changed. I find it horrific that you cannot understand the basic difference between somebody born in America versus somebody born elsewhere.
> My Grandparents from one side of my family were immigrants..
Did they sneak in illegally? I doubt it. My gripe is not against immigrants. I don't understand why people confuse the immigrant issue with the ILLEGAL alien issue. (Well, I do, the illegals want us to confuse the issue.) There is a huge difference between somebody immigrating into the country and somebody breaking the law to enter the country. Immigrants are welcome, illegals are not. If we got rid of all the damn illegals, there would be a whole lot more room for legal immigrants to enter the country.
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: Seuss]
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Annie's 12 years old, in two more she'll be a whore
Nobody ever told her it's the wrong way
Don't be afraid with the quickness you'll get laid
For your family get paid
It's the wrong way
I gave her all that I had to give
I'm gonna make it hard to live
(Big) soggy tears running down to her chin
And it ruins up her make-up
I never wanted
A cigarette pressed between her lips
But I'm staring at her tits
It's the wrong way
Strong if I can, but I am only a man
So I take her to the can
It's the wrong way
The only family that she's ever had
Is her seven horny brothers and a drunk-ass dad
He needed money so he put her on the street
Everything was going fine until the day she met me
Happy are you sad, wanna shoot your dad
I'll do anything I can
It's the wrong way
We talk all night, try to make it right
Believe me shit was tight
It was the wrong way
So run away if you wanna stay
Cause I ain't here to make ya, oh no
It's up to you what you really wanna do
Spend some time in America
Dub style!
She'll give you all that she got to give
But I'm gonna make it hard to live
Big soggy tears rollin' down to her chin
And it smears up her make-up
I never wanted
So we ran away
And I'm sorry when I say, that straight to this very day
It was the wrong way
She took a hike it don't matter if I like it or not
Because she only wants the wrong way
I gave her all that I had to give
But she still wouldn't take it, oh no
Her two brown eyes are leaking like a sieve
But it still ruins her make-up
I never wanted
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: fresh313]
#5594163 - 05/05/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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fresh313 said: yeah what makes the irish potato famine fleers any different from the mexicans fleeing the economic famine of mexico?
what makes the quakers fleeing religious persecutiong in england any different from the mexicans fleeing economic drought?
everybody came to america running from something or looking to get rich.
Those people emigrated legally. Most Mexican immigrants have emigrated illegally. There is a big difference.
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5594479 - 05/05/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The problem with discussing immigration is that it makes the implicit assumption that it's rational for people to be granted citizenship as a result of being born in a certain country. I don't see how this is just, or makes sense.
Some countries are massively richer than other countries. People in rich countries tend to assume they have an unquestionable birth right to relatively huge affluence because they had the good fortune to be born there, or born in a country that allowed them to succesfully legally emigrate to that country.
To me, that seems horribly unjust.
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: OJK]
#5594928 - 05/05/06 05:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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America is a reasonably lucrative country, per capita.
Am I wealthy? Fuck no... I'm lower class. Working poor. Don't make the mistake of equating a wealthy country with wealthy citizens.
For example, if i remember correctly Saudi Arabia has the largest per capita income in the entire world. Yet you can bet your ass that there are still some dirt-poor people in saudi arabia. They are citizens, they are poor, their lives suck.
There are plenty of impoverished american citizens. Many of them have lousy jobs, many are just plain unemployed. What makes things worse is that the kind of job that they are qualified for is the kind of job that many illegal mexican immigrants are willing to do for significantly less than minimum wage. That means that in order to compete, those people would have to accept similarly horrible wages. And you know what would happen if they asked for a raise? "You know, I could just fire your ass and hire an illegal for less money."
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: Konnrade]
#5595182 - 05/05/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You can be "below the poverty line" in America, and still afford housing, heating, water, food, a television and perhaps even a car. You have access to free child education, free libraries and museums, some free healthcare, free legal representation, and free use of relatively impartial public services like the police and the fire department. That's what living in an affluent country means.
And what's the problem with immigrants being willing to work cheaply? They have the same living costs as you - in fact, possibly higher, as illegal immigrants often don't qualify for things like free healthcare. If they are willing to do the same job as an american citizen for less money, what's the problem? I thought that America in general was an advocate of competition?
If you have a problem with cheap labour, why not support a higher legal minimum wage, and dramatically increase penalties for businesses employing people (wither illegal immigrants or not) at a wage below the minimum?
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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: OJK]
#5595662 - 05/05/06 08:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Don't get me wrong, I empathise with how unfortunate the predicament of illegal immigrants is, but a sweeping amnesty is not the best move.
They think that because there are so many of them that have evaded our border patrol, that they can start making demands as if they are entitled to do so.
They aren't citizens, which is why they aren't entitled to services that citizens are.
If you grew up in watts, dirt poor, and hated living there... would it be reasonable for you to drive to canada and start demaning that their government give you the public services that canadians get?
Should impoverished people from washington, wisconsin, etc. who can't afford healthcare start driving north of the border and demanding to be given canada's free healthcare?
Of course it isn't fair that mexico's standard of living is that much lower than america's, but that doesn't mean it's our responsibility to start giving handouts to people who leave their country illegally and move into ours. Our government is allready bad enough at balancing a budget... imagine how much more strain would be placed on the system if suddenly there were millions more citizens demanding public services. people who were in low income brackets that did not generate much tax money.
And, alternately, imagine how much more fucked up mexico would get! There are allready a number of people in mexico's government who are trying to slow emmigration from their country. The loss of people from their nation is hurting mexico. If america were to throw open it's borders, we'd be fucking with our country and fucking with theirs.
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I find your lack of faith disturbing
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