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Biting The Hand That Feeds
    #5584310 - 05/03/06 12:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Not a bad little read, I enjoyed it.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060426/OPINION04/60426014

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On May 1st, the activists who brought you thousands of Mexican flags flying in marches down the streets of our cities are now bringing you "Nothing Gringo Day". With help from the Mexican government, Mexican unions, Mexican political groups, and through the Spanish language radio and newspapers, the call has gone out to make America experience a total boycott, both here and in Mexico. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

Just the word "boycott" sparks the image of noble dissent in the face of economic or social oppression. I think of American colonials bucking British economic interests in retaliation to the Stamp Act. Or perhaps the ostracizing of Irish landlord Charles Boycott, the namesake of the verb for all tyrannized people. If not tyrannized, at least disgruntled. If not disgruntled, maybe just bored.

Yet, isn't the key to a successful boycott an economic or social upper-hand? The cost must be felt if the offending party be forced to reform. For example, how does boycotting a movie you had no intention of going to affect the box office? More people probably see a boycotted movie due to the attention than if it had simply been ignored.

President Carter thought he was on to something when he kept American athletes out of the 1980 Moscow Olympics. That showed 'em. That particular boycott neither got the USSR out of Afghanistan nor brought down the Berlin Wall. It just caused our own athletes to suffer.

The May 1st anti-Gringo-fest is also being billed as "A Day Without Immigrants" which is a misnomer on a couple of counts. First, the threatened boycott fails to conjure the image of a Norwegian refusing to buy his May 1 lutefisk at the corner Fareway. Second, the pro-amnesty groups are insistent on confusing legal and illegal immigration. Let's not start mixing our apples and oranges. The issue before Congress is illegal immigration. Perhaps the May 1st boycott should give America a glimpse into "A Day Without ILLEGAL Immigration."

What would that May 1st look like without illegal immigration? There would be no one to smuggle across our southern border the heroin, marijuana, cocaine, and methamphetamines that plague the United States, reducing the U.S. supply of meth that day by 80%. The lives of 12 U.S. citizens would be saved who otherwise die a violent death at the hands of murderous illegal aliens each day. Another 13 Americans would survive who are otherwise killed each day by uninsured drunk driving illegals. Our hospital emergency rooms would not be flooded with everything from gunshot wounds, to anchor babies, to imported diseases to hangnails, giving American citizens the day off from standing in line behind illegals. Eight American children would not suffer the horror as a victim of a sex crime.

On the negative side, the price of a pound of tomatoes might go up from $0.79 to $0.80. That is unless you have a garden. But I'm guessing that the Mexican drug lords are not taking May 1st off. Neither will the 11,000 illegal invaders that pour over our border every other day of the year. It is a safe bet that the U.S. Border Patrol will have a very busy "Nothing Gringo Day."

Since September 11th, it remains true that OBL is the greatest threat to America. I will leave it to the reader to decide if the greatest threat is Osama bin Laden or the Open Borders Lobby. The emerging cheap labor "ruling class" in America is the strongest supporter of amnesty for illegals. Their anti-American "new servant class" has chosen to boycott them; the very definition of irony. On May 1st, Primero de Mayo, Americans will observe, as illegal immigrants celebrate, "Bite the Hand That Feeds You Day."




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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: gregorio]
    #5584528 - 05/03/06 05:05 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

oh god, that a big burrito full of bullshit.


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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: gregorio]
    #5584535 - 05/03/06 05:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What a poorly written reactionary piece of nonsense.


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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: OJK]
    #5584546 - 05/03/06 05:25 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The bias does indeed scream from between the lines... but immigrants are essentially doing just that.

"Thanks for letting me slip across your border unpunished... now give me the rights of a citizen, or I'll throw a tantrum!"


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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: gregorio]
    #5584557 - 05/03/06 05:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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What would that May 1st look like without illegal immigration? There would be no one to smuggle across our southern border the heroin, marijuana, cocaine, and methamphetamines that plague the United States, reducing the U.S. supply of meth that day by 80%.




haha, wow, such a very precise number, 80%
it's amazing the technology for armchair politicians these days!  :lol:

the nothing gringo day is funny, because all the shit we buy is made in mexico and china.  the only things they can really boycott, probably aren't worth buying anyways.  the best things our country creates are pop-culture and war.

and you can pretend to "boycott" those all you want, but it doesn't matter.


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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: fresh313]
    #5588712 - 05/04/06 12:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What specificaly about the letter that you found to be so full of shit?

Where there any inaccuracies in any of his statements?


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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: gregorio]
    #5589102 - 05/04/06 05:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

why dont we just ship everyone out of the country then it will be perfect.


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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: gregorio]
    #5589114 - 05/04/06 05:26 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

uhhhh. That 80% of the US meth supply comes from mexico and not guys named Buck, for one.

I'd also like to see a source on that violent death claim as well.


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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #5589175 - 05/04/06 06:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

alot of meth comes from mexico, but what does that have to do with illegal immigration?? theyd just sell it across the border to legal immigrants [americans], so blame the suppliers for americas drug problem, thats the oldest trick in the book. if whitey didnt love the tweak then mexicans wouldnt be druglords. so what percentage of fault lies with the supplier and what with the user ?

on people getting killed, if mexicans didnt kill them then someone else probably would. these people getting killed arent saints themselves. probably all gang related killings.

drunk driving, so what? compare the rate of drunk driving killings compared to white and to mexican, i bet youll find that mexicans kill way less then white people, but sure theres more white people, so prorate it and get back to me, im sure its exactly the same if not less of a ratio of mexican drunk drivers to white/black drunks.

again child molestation, do that same thing, i bet youll find theres more white child molester ratio based on population than there is mexican.

so posting all of one races faults without comparing them logically to another doesnt mean shit.

and then leaving out all the Pros and just listing the Cons, doesnt make for a real picture.


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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: fresh313]
    #5589236 - 05/04/06 07:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Fact: Illegals make up a big percentage of our prison population.


Monday, March 27, 2006 11:39 a.m. EST
Justice Dept. Figures on Incarcerated Illegals


One of the more popular claims by illegal immigration proponents is that those who enter the U.S. by breaking the law are invariably "hard-working" and "law-abiding" once they get here.

That argument, however, has one major flaw. According to Justice Department statistics and the analysis of immigration experts, the "law-abiding" claim often isn't true.


"The U.S. Justice Department estimated that 270,000 illegal immigrants served jail time nationally in 2003. Of those, 108,000 were in California. Some estimates show illegals now make up half of California's prison population, creating a massive criminal subculture that strains state budgets and creates a nightmare for local police forces."

Citing an Urban Institute study, director of research for the Center for Immigration Studies Steven Camorata noted in 2004: "Roughly 17 percent of the prison population at the federal level are illegal aliens. That's a huge number since illegal aliens only account for about 3 percent of the total population."
Former California Gov. Pete Wilson places the percentage of illegal aliens in U.S. prisons even higher. In 2001, he told Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly:

"We had problems related to the costs of educating children who were acknowledged to be in the country illegally, healthcare costs. One in five in our prison population were illegal immigrants who had been convicted of a felony after entering the country illegally."

The Federation for American Immigration Reform also turned to the Justice Department to get statistics on criminal aliens. They report:

"In March 2000, Congress made public Department of Justice statistics showing that, over the previous five years, the INS had released over 35,000 criminal aliens instead of deporting them. Over 11,000 of those released went on to commit serious crimes, over 1,800 of which were violent ones [including 98 homicides, 142 sexual assaults, and 44 kidnappings].



"In 2001, thanks to a decision by the Supreme Court, the INS was forced to release into our society over 3,000 criminal aliens [who collectively had been convicted of 125 homicides, 387 sex offenses, and 772 assault charges]."
Up to a third of the U.S. federal prison population is composed of non-citizens, according to Federal Bureau of Prisons statistics - but not all non-citizen prison inmates are illegal aliens.

As to the "hard-working" claim, CIS notes: "The proportion of immigrant-headed households using at least one major welfare program is 24.5 percent compared to 16.3 percent for native households."

Investor's Business Daily concurs: "Once [illegals] get here, they are 50 percent more likely to be on welfare than citizens."


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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5589243 - 05/04/06 07:56 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

maybe theres a reason why thier in jail
or is it therye in jail beacuse thier just inherently bad people
what happens to a illegal immigrant that cant work legally in the united states? how do they make money to support themself or thier illegal family. well the bread winning activites obviously arent going to be legal now are they. so america creates the problem , not the mexicans.


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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: fresh313]
    #5592451 - 05/05/06 12:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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why don't we just ship everyone out of the country then it will be perfect.




Only those who entered this country illegally. While we probably will never attain perfection as a Nation, it does sound like a good place to start.


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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: fresh313]
    #5592463 - 05/05/06 12:59 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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fresh313 said:

what happens to a illegal immigrant that cant work legally in the united states? how do they make money to support themselves or their illegal family. well the bread winning activities obviously aren't going to be legal now are they. so America creates the problem , not the Mexicans.




I could really care less about the well being of illegal aliens and their families. We have American citizens who are in need and my heart and pockets will go out to them before they ever go out to a illegal alien.

And you are wrong when you say America created the problem. The Mexican government is the cause of all the problems and it is up to the Mexican people to get their own house in order. As long as we continue to let the flood of illegals enter this country their will never be an incentive for the Mexican government to change their ways or for the Mexican people to demand and force change.


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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: gregorio]
    #5592718 - 05/05/06 02:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

a mexican who runs across the border is just as american as you or i. the only real americans are on reservations.


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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: fresh313]
    #5592737 - 05/05/06 02:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Where does one begin with the above statement?

Why should I even try?

You are wrong on both of your points.

Seriously wrong.


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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: gregorio]
    #5592749 - 05/05/06 02:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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fresh313 said:
what happens to a illegal immigrant that cant work legally in the united states?




Um....illegal immigrants can't work legally in this country at the present moment. It's been that way forever.


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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: fresh313]
    #5592755 - 05/05/06 02:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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a mexican who runs across the border is just as american as you or i. the only real americans are on reservations.




Most innaccurate P,A,& L statement of the day, if not the week.


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    #5592871 - 05/05/06 03:52 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yeah what makes the irish potato famine fleers any different from the mexicans fleeing the economic famine of mexico?

what makes the quakers fleeing religious persecutiong in england any different from the mexicans fleeing economic drought?

everybody came to america running from something or looking to get rich.


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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: fresh313]
    #5592949 - 05/05/06 05:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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yeah what makes the irish potato famine fleers any different from the mexicans fleeing the economic famine of mexico?

what makes the quakers fleeing religious persecutiong in england any different from the mexicans fleeing economic drought?

everybody came to america running from something or looking to get rich.




The difference would be that, for example, the irish family that my grandmother was from actually had enough respect to become legalized when they immigrated. They were LEGAL immigrants. The quakers who fled england to these shores did so before it was even a fucking country. You can't immigrate to a nation that doesn't exist. They just moved into territory that they viewed to be available.

Illegal mexican immigrants know that the nation is owned by others, they know that what they do violates the laws of those people. They don't care, they disobey them. They then act offended when they aren't given things that they don't deserve from people whose laws they didn't obey.

Mexican illegals: "Fuck your border laws, I'm going to stay here anyways. Give me handouts now. Fuck you all! GIMMIE!"


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Re: Biting The Hand That Feeds [Re: Konnrade]
    #5592952 - 05/05/06 05:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

My Grandparents from one side of my family were immigrants..

They tried to learn the English language. And didn't too bad.

They made damn well sure their children did.

And to miss school for a protest?

No comment.

And they waved the American flag from day one.


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