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Delosperma sp????
    #5582247 - 05/02/06 05:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Hey everyone.I went to the nursery today and picked up a few things.

I got a large ginger root.I want to plant this but I would also like to cut a peice off for culinary and medicinal use.Will the root still grow if I cut off a small portion?

I got a lavender plant as wel because my seeds never sprouted.

I also got a pepper plant.

But the reason why I am making this post is because I purchased two different delosperma plants.One of them is delosperma cooperi and the other is delsperma congestum.

Do either of these plants have any SSRI's present in them?Or for that matter any other medicinaly active or psychoactive compounds?

I will post pictures of my bosseranum's that i grew from seed.I need to make a post for my all of my seed grown plants.But anyway for now i will just show you what I bought today.


Here is the Delosperma cooperi(hardy ice plant)  anyone have any info on this?


a small flower




And here is the delosperma congestum.Does anyone have any info on this?





Here is a picture of the lavender.I cant wait for it to flower.I purchased it because the seeds I had never sprouted.And I like alot of lavender in my tea.



And fially my pepper plant.I dont know what kind of peppers though.It didnt have a label.Anyone know?



Well that was my day at the nursery.Hope everyone enjoys the pictures.

I really need some info on these two delospermas!

Here is a pretty cool link I found about some different delosperma species.

http://www.fgas.de/delosperma_e.htm



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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5582328 - 05/02/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not sure about all the species, but I've heard of them being used as stimulants.


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5582367 - 05/02/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Cooperi does but i was told not to persue it because it has nasties in it as well.


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: Delta9Hippie]
    #5582370 - 05/02/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well some species contain most of the same constituants as kanna,which are MAOIS.And also another compound that i dont know what it is that can produce some psychoactive effects.This seperates the delopserma species from the selectium as far as psychoactivity goes.

As far as I know they are not stimulants.


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5582381 - 05/02/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe a simple distillation will remove the nasties?

You have to distill bosseranum and kanna.


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5582500 - 05/02/06 06:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Ah Cooperi must contain some tryptamines ,i think n,n-DMT and 5-MeO-DMT.

Im more than certain that you will enjoy the following links :

http://trout.yage.net/sc/SoS_2004_Trout.pdf (Save it to your disk,its a keeper)

http://forums.ayahuasca.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=3112&


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: Psiloman]
    #5583256 - 05/02/06 09:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you so much for that .pdf!It is very helpfull.

I cant wait till the cooperi blooms some more.

I will continue to update this thread with any delosperma info I can find.And also with pictures of my bosseranum grown from seed.



Can anyone help me with my ginger question?


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5584530 - 05/03/06 05:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

heh beat me too it :p

heres a pic of my D. bosseranum:



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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5584933 - 05/03/06 09:18 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Looks like a banana pepper


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #5586473 - 05/03/06 04:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Cooperi makes a slight burning sensation in my throat when I chew the sour, red stems. Depending on your tolerance, a throughly chewed mouthful can make you feel pleasant for an afternoon. I'm told the same effect comes from drying and smoking.

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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: pod3]
    #5588884 - 05/04/06 01:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I've heard that Delosperma cooperi makes dmt In spring and 5 meo-dmt In autumn (fall).



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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: Tinkal]
    #5589539 - 05/04/06 10:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

This is very intersting.Perhaps some tea mixed with an MAOI would produce some effects.

The flowers seem to open during the early morning and close in the late afternoon.


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5589821 - 05/04/06 12:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

im not sure its a good idea to mix SSRi's with MAOi's.


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5589890 - 05/04/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Its not. MAOi in combination with SSRi may put you into a coma or fatal in some cases.


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: pac_man]
    #5590893 - 05/04/06 05:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

This was on my mind as I was making the post.So I assume the cooperi has some of the same ssri's as bossernaum?


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5592145 - 05/04/06 11:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i dunno, but i would assume it does to some degree.

personaly i wouldent chance it unless i found multiple reports of
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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5593393 - 05/05/06 09:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Link
Link to where you can download a document called Trout notes on other succulents that talks about this specie.


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: pac_man]
    #5593573 - 05/05/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I've heard that Delosperma cooperi makes dmt In spring and 5 meo-dmt In autumn (fall).




The plant is more potent after the leaves have grown to maturity (spring) and have become concentrated, due to lost water (summer). By this time, the stems have turned reddish, and the skins on the leaves are noticably thicker and darker. A combination of sour and bitter flavors, with a burning/spicy sensation in the back of the throat.

While it lasts for awhile, I have no doubt that onset occurs as soon as it is absorbed in the mouth.


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: pod3]
    #5593927 - 05/05/06 12:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Can you go in any more depth about oral consumption?


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5601289 - 05/07/06 02:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

(Cool pics, ANeway2sayHooray.)

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Can you go in any more depth about oral consumption?




Yes, but more subjectively than scientifically.

Chew,chew,chew a raw mouthful for as long as possible. For me, it causes a lightheaded elation which lasts about 5 hours. Involuntary, hazy, visual hallucenations. Onset is gentle. There is no hangover, but a definite sense of coming down.

That was by itself. Certain plants containing the DMT family of chemicals (I have experimented with plenty) will noticeably change the texture of mucous membranes into which they have absorbed. Sometimes, they are oily, minty, or dehydrating. This is in spite of the fact that they are not supposed to be orally active. Well, after chewing these things as a potentiator, these spots in the mouth will become especially tingly after Delosperma chewing. The experience is the same only escalated.

If you're enjoying yourself too much to stay hydrated, your mouth will dry out a bit. A light sip of water will prolong the experience, while a heavy drink will wash it away. For these reasons, I say you can definitely absorb juices through the mouth and throat.


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: pod3]
    #5601523 - 05/07/06 03:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you very much for the information.

How is the taste if the fresh foliage?

How about the flowers?


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5601553 - 05/07/06 04:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

you know whats weird. i just posted my 300 gram trip report, and i mentioned these plants on the side of a cliff looking like hands trying to hold us against the cliff so we wouldnt fall. now that ive been looking over that trout guide, they were delosperma sp.
there must have been thousands apon thousands of them, i wish i had known at the time what they were. they grow all over the santa cruz cliffs. i guess they keep the cliffs from corroding. theres literaly 3 miles worth of stretch, just delosperma sp. a few different variations. all along the cliffs.


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5602275 - 05/07/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Wow,thats amazing.You should take some pictures.

If you ever get a cutting,I would like one of a few diferent species you can find.Trade of course.

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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5602325 - 05/07/06 07:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i live 250 miles away from santa cruz now :frown:
i miss it so bad there, all the cyans i would find, the herbs, and all the entheogens that grew around there.

right now im actualy 2 or 3 thousand miles away from my house outside of santa cruz even, on a construction job. i wont be home til mothers day. i might be able to get some friends from santa cruz to mail me a few cuttings. If I ever go back down there ill fill the back of our car with them (i could hold a few blocks worth of them haha).


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5667737 - 05/24/06 06:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well,I have tried a mouthfull of cooperi foliage.I can say that the taste is not bad at all,almost good.I experienced some euphoria,brightened colors,more defined lines in images I saw and a genuine height in appreciation for everything around me.If the talk of it producing DMT in the spring and 5-meo-DMT in the fall is true then an extraction would be well worth the trouble.And if not then the natural SSRI benefit and the excitment of growing this plant is enough motivation for anyone to pick one up.

A question I have is about the seeds.My plant was flowering profusely.Now I dont know what happened,most of the flowers dissapeared within 2 days of eachother,about a week long life for the oldest and 3 days for the youngest flowers.Then they dissapeered.Did bugs eat them?

If not then what sorta signs should I be looking for for seeds?So far I cant see any seeds.

Does anyone have any experience with harvesting seeds from the delosperma cooperi?

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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5667888 - 05/24/06 08:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I saw a program on ethnobotany on one of those smaller satilite-only info based channels, anyways the gentleman on the program was talking about how difficult plant id can be with rainforest plants because so many of the only flower for very very brief periods and that most westenised botanical id skills are based on the blooms and such. Anyways, point being, that might just be the normal course of things. It may be a plant that isn't a profuse seeder. Maybe not. Maybe you have bugs. I just thought that I would throw that out there.


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5667958 - 05/24/06 09:18 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Well,I have tried a mouthfull of cooperi foliage.I can say that the taste is not bad at all,almost good.I experienced some euphoria,brightened colors,more defined lines in images I saw and a genuine height in appreciation for everything around me.If the talk of it producing DMT in the spring and 5-meo-DMT in the fall is true then an extraction would be well worth the trouble.And if not then the natural SSRI benefit and the excitment of growing this plant is enough motivation for anyone to pick one up.

A question I have is about the seeds.My plant was flowering profusely.Now I dont know what happened,most of the flowers dissapeared within 2 days of eachother,about a week long life for the oldest and 3 days for the youngest flowers.Then they dissapeered.Did bugs eat them?

If not then what sorta signs should I be looking for for seeds?So far I cant see any seeds.

Does anyone have any experience with harvesting seeds from the delosperma cooperi?

Cheers everyone.




The taste is a more surprising when it gets around 100F. The sourness is more sour, and the dry and hot sensation becomes slightly harsh.

I do have experience with the seeds, too, and it was confusing at first:
1.After the petals dry and fall off, there will be what appears to be a green seedpod. Leave it alone. These will only rot if you try to drry them.
2.Tips of the seedpod will become maroonish in color as this is a little fruit that will taste like a pomegranate seed when it gets overripe. Leave it alone still. The seeds are not fully formed yet.
3. This will turn brown and dried like a stick. At this point, carefully break the little thing open. There should be at least 5-10 tiny, reddish brown seeds.

I don't know about viability. The plants make a groundcover that roots at every segment when allowed to go wild, and I have never had a need to propagate by seed until someone offered me a trade just recently.


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: pod3]
    #5743146 - 06/12/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Well the flower stalks on the cooperi turned yellow then eventually turned brown and shriveled,not yielding any seeds.I am confused on that whole deal.

Anyway here is a pic of some a small amount of harvested cooperi that is about to go in my mouth.This will be my 2nd time trying the cooperi.I had good but midl results the first time.




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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5743530 - 06/12/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

eh arent u supposed to ferment it first to get tho toxins out?

my delo's were grown from seed i got from a trade and germ rate was 100%.


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5743557 - 06/12/06 08:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Have a read at the rest of this thread.


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5744894 - 06/13/06 04:45 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

read it yourself, your the one sticking toxic materials in your mouth
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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5746283 - 06/13/06 03:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I wasnt being a smartass.You may have taken my comment as rude but thats not what I was trying to come off as.How can you think someone is being a smartass through 8 words?Barely even a sentence.

I have never once been rude to you.Maybe explaining yourself would be a nice idea instead of immediatley jumping my ass.Apparently you knwo somthing I dont know.Your not much of an asset this community if your going to pop off and call people a smartass with no reason.

I understand that bosseranum and sceltium species need to be fermented.Is this the case with cooperi?

Do you have first hand experience?I have bioassyed it twice now.And so have one or two other people in this thread.

If you have some usefull info to add,then please post it.But this is no place for you to be calling me or anyone else a smartass.Lighten up.


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5746442 - 06/13/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

arent you the same guy who was talking about mixing MAOi's with SSRi's
in that thread u told me to read?

i dont mean to piss u off, but it doesent look like your too carefull to me man...


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5746840 - 06/13/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I have never mixed an MAOI and an SSRI.I was talking about possibly mixing an MAOI with delosperma cooperi to potentiate the DMT and make it orally active.I was throwing an idea in the air.I have not seen any information that confirms the presence of an SSRI in delosperma cooperi.If you have info please pass it on.

This is a place to throw up ideas,good or bad.I in no way said I took or suggested anyone else take an MAOI with a delosperma species.I was merely wondering if it make the DMT orally active.

This is all speculation of course.I have not seen any concrete evidence that D.cooperi contains DMT either.

I am a very careful person and that is for me to decide.It is my life and my choice.We are not members of these forums to judge other people.

I conduct myself in an appropriate manner when it comes to the more serious forums on this website.As opposed to the more social forums where I let loose a bit more.

I'm going to say it again.Re read this post.I merely threw the idea out there about mixing the two substances.You make it seem as if I was eating syrian rue seeds and popping prozac.

If you do not have anymore useful information I kindly ask you not to post in my thread.This thread isn't meant for you to determine whether or not I am responsible or safe.That is up to me to decide as long as I don't put anyone else in danger.


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5746893 - 06/13/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

How about you try an potentially help someone instead of condemning them?

Have you seen me spread any misinformation?No.Have you seen me suggest any unsafe actions to another user?No.

It seems as if you are trying to piss me off.Your argument is has nothing to do with this thread and is pretty much non existent.

I have always liked you and the info you provide.I dont understand why you are taking what I say and turning it around for the bad.If you wish to badger and/or flame me,this is not the place for it.Make a thread about me in OTD if you wish,and bitch all you want in there.

Until then,please drop the matter at hand unless you can provide some real evidence of me being unsafe or misinformed.

I want your input for the real matter at hand,D.Cooperi.Not my behavioral or decision making problems.


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5747011 - 06/13/06 07:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

have you read trouts notes on other succultents? i wonder if not phytochemical reports of cooperi are discussed in that paper- I cant remember.


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: pac_man]
    #5747055 - 06/13/06 07:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

No I have not read it.Do you have a link?


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5747239 - 06/13/06 08:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

dude i read the entire thing and i cant find where we know whats in cooperi.
the way i read it ure eating that stuff not knowing for sure if there is any dmt or toxic chemicals.

now i dont say u dont have the right to experiment or take risks or whatever, but i dont see where a noob can get any idea of wether or not what your doing is risky.

and my comment was nothing but reasonable, in the form of a question actualy.
then u cut me off with 'read the post' knowing full well i did read it as ive been posting in it aswell.
so i reread and wonder wtf it is you are refering me to...

exactly what am i supposed to read there?

my question was: arent there toxins in delosperma wich make it a bad idea to eat it fresh.

u refer me to this thread and the only info in here is that we know its true for scletium.
nowhere does any1 state even an oppinion on wether or not there are nastys in delo's.

i call you a smartass because u refer me to info that isnt there.
and i dont know what smartass means where you are but here its hardly a big deal...


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5747484 - 06/13/06 09:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Fuck it.This thread has become useless now.The last 4 post are me and you going back and forth.No one is going to be interested in helping me or passing on any information.

Your "question" was meant to make me look as if I am ignorant and irresponsible. "arnt you that guy" what the fuck.

This thread needs to be locked.This isnt the place for this kinda shit.If you wanted to call me out on something you should have done it without being so rude.That isnt the way to inform poeple.You could have pointed out what I was doing wrong in a lot different of way.


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5747524 - 06/13/06 09:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I agree eating a handfull of a plant that isnt well known isnt the smartest thing.

but there is a nice way to go about discussing it with someone without treating them like they are some ignorant,oblivious person.


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Re: Delosperma sp???? [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5747711 - 06/13/06 10:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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