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Bad Trip, help would be appreciated
    #5582042 - 05/02/06 04:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Alright well here goes- This trip that i had was not a recent trip, but a trip i had last year, around this time. I dont know why but i retrospect on the meaning of my trips alot and just trying to figure this one out. The days setting was that it was my senior prom, i wasnt too impressed with where the prom was, how it was set up ect....I had a decent time with my date, but our relationship was a lil' shaky at the time. So after a long night of dancing, I went home and was feeling alright, fairly happy about my night, so i took a nice hot bath to prepare myself for my trip. After this i went upstairs and downed my shrooms( dosing from somewhere 2-2.5g dried cubes ). I then occupied myself by playing The Sims 2 while i came up, i began to get this sick, depressing feeling, i dont know if i was having a slight anxiety attack or what, but i couldnt stand to play the sims anymore. So i got off of the computer quick and layed down in my bed and watched fuse(music channel), that kinda freaked me out, so i turned that off. I dont remember what kind of thoughts were going through my head but they were quite disturbing. It felt like my head was racing and i couldnt stop tossing and turning. I just layed there in this state for about 3 hours, it felt like complete mental torture. I dont know what factors played into this bad trip but i never want to have that feeling again. It kinda felt like i was dying right there on my bed. This was my first solo trip and my only one to date, and prior to that i had about 2 good trips with friends. Throughout the past year i have tripped 5+ times, all being positive trips. I really want to trip solo again but im afraid of having another bad trip like this one. Is there any way to prevent having bad solo trips?


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Re: Bad Trip, help would be appreciated [Re: EternalEden]
    #5582135 - 05/02/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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EternalEden said:
After this i went upstairs and downed my shrooms( dosing from somewhere 2-2.5g dried cubes ). I then occupied myself by playing The Sims 2 while i came up, i began to get this sick, depressing feeling, i dont know if i was having a slight anxiety attack or what, but i couldnt stand to play the sims anymore.




First mistake. If you experience anxiety during a trip ignore it. Say to yourself "That's funny" and move on. Divert your thoughts around something else. As soon as you recognize you're having anxiety diversion is always the best course of action. By stopping what you were doing you empowered the anxiety and took it to the next level. People who experience anxiety and allow the anxiety to control their actions create behavioral patterns that are conducive to future anxiety and panic attacks. If you ever play the Sims again during a come up you will likely experience anxiety again because of your actions.

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So i got off of the computer quick and layed down in my bed and watched fuse(music channel), that kinda freaked me out, so i turned that off.




Again, you are empowering those anxious thoughts and giving them power over you. If you feel anxiety coming on, immediately divert your thoughts. Sing out loud, talk about something else, but ignore the anxious feelings. I'm not saying to ignore the anxiety. Accept the fact you are feeling it and quickly move on. This is where therapy falls short for anxiety sufferers. Talking about anxiety only gives power to it and keeps the anxious thoughts at the forefront of your memory banks.

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I dont remember what kind of thoughts were going through my head but they were quite disturbing. It felt like my head was racing and i couldnt stop tossing and turning. I just layed there in this state for about 3 hours, it felt like complete mental torture. I dont know what factors played into this bad trip but i never want to have that feeling again. It kinda felt like i was dying right there on my bed.




The feelings you were having were simply sensations brought on by your behavioral conditioning. You will never die from a sensation, they are meaningless. These are the things you need to tell yourself during those dark times.

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This was my first solo trip and my only one to date, and prior to that i had about 2 good trips with friends. Throughout the past year i have tripped 5+ times, all being positive trips. I really want to trip solo again but im afraid of having another bad trip like this one. Is there any way to prevent having bad solo trips?




You may experience future anxiety doing solo trips because of your reaction to this one. Having friends around is a lot easier than doing solo trips if you have some anxiety. Friends make for interesting conversation and create diversions for your mind. Solo trips leave a lot of room for consequences. You have to get past your fear of being afraid. I cannot stress that enough. This last trip may reek havoc on your future trips if you spend time worrying about those bad feelings coming up again.

I do have a couple of questions for you.

1. Why were you playing the Sims during the come up? Is it because you wanted some diversion from the effects?
2. What was going on at the time you started playing? Was it a sick feeling or intense visuals?
3. Did you find yourself panicking?


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Re: Bad Trip, help would be appreciated [Re: Wronguy]
    #5582193 - 05/02/06 05:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

its okay to be afraid
feel afraid,and know it is harmless
then move on to something entertaining,beautiful or interesting
let playful curiosity,adventuristic tendancies,and artistic visions titilate your mind

think positive,dont brood and judge


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Re: Bad Trip, help would be appreciated [Re: Wronguy]
    #5582202 - 05/02/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the reply man, much appreciated!

See what i did was i was playing the sims prior to dosing and after, idk why i was playing it, i thought it would be cool to come up to, and a good game to play while tripping.

The feeling that i got was a sick feeling, also depressing, i had no visuals at the time or anytime throughout the trip , and i rarely ever get visuals while tripping.

I guess i did panic from the coming up effects, it just didnt feel right.... i tried to divert my thoughts back to the game but it didnt work, so i kinda gave in....and freaked.


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Re: Bad Trip, help would be appreciated [Re: Wronguy]
    #5582215 - 05/02/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I've never had a bad trip, and I've tripped over 50 times. I have to agree with Wronguy. You can't focus on negative thoughts. If I feel
any anxiety coming on, I just tell myself nothing's wrong, you're fine, it's a temporary state for enjoyment. Then move on, don't focus on the bad feelings. It also helps if you do something, watch a movie, something funny. Lying on your bed concentrating onthe bad feelings is only going to intensify them.

Just know that you're fine and nothing is wrong with the situation you're in. After all, you trust your judgement or you wouldn't have taken them, right?

good luck!


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Re: Bad Trip, help would be appreciated [Re: slammin007]
    #5582246 - 05/02/06 05:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

How about something creative like have a painting easel setup and ready to use when your feeling anxious. Perhaps make up a silly suggestion like the worlds most useless super heros and start painting.

Silly shit can be entertaining and will remind you that your here for fun, not anexiety.

Come to think of it finger painting would be cool. :laugh:


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Re: Bad Trip, help would be appreciated [Re: EternalEden]
    #5582262 - 05/02/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

No sweat on the reply. Anxiety, which is what you're experiencing, is probably the most common reason for having "bad" trips. Everything is heightened when you use psychedelics. Krin is 100% correct. It's okay to be afraid, just remind yourself it's completely harmless and move on.

Dwelling on those bad sensations will be the killer of any trip. It's even more challenging when you're doing a solo trip. I had a bad experience during a 14 gram dose and panicked during the peak. This panicking lead to a series of bad trips because I kept waiting for that panic feeling to come back thereafter. Not a pretty feeling when you let anxiety take the driver's seat.

The next time you trip solo, I recommend you give this a shot on a smaller dose by the way, try and bring that anxiety feeling back. Make it as bad as you possibly can. Once you see that you are increasing the level of anxiety you can disempower it. Knowing that the anxiety is being caused by you and you alone is half the battle.

Try this breathing exercise:
Breath in deeply through your nose while saying "Peace" in your mind. You should be breathing deep enough to force your stomach to stick out.

Breath out through your mouth and say "Relax" in your mind. Exhale all of the air out of your lungs and repeat.

Now I know this may sound hokey and I am not a spiritual guy, but damn if it works. This breathing technique will equalize your breathing and slow your heart rate down. Having an elevated heart rate is a common trigger to anxiety and panic attacks. If you start having a panic attack grab a paper bag and breath into the bag for about 30 seconds. This will increase the CO2 you inhale and again will slow your heart rate.

Remember, don't give into the anxiety by leaving the room, unless you have to for other reasons. Leaving the room will only feed the anxiety and create a behavioral pattern that may make you feel anxiety in that room even during sober times. Your job is to simply accept the fact that you're scared of what you're feeling, but that it's only a sensation. You are not going to die.


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Re: Bad Trip, help would be appreciated [Re: Wronguy]
    #5582298 - 05/02/06 05:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Wow, thanks for all the great replies guys, i have one question yet though, like Wronguy said i should probably take a low dose next time when i trip solo again. Anyone have any suggestions on the amount i should take?


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Re: Bad Trip, help would be appreciated [Re: EternalEden]
    #5582320 - 05/02/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'll answer that. Your last dose was 2-2.5 grams, so I would cut that in half. 1 gram will be enough for you to experience some of the effects and be able to manage your anxiety. If you let anxiety take you over again the trip will not be a pleasant one, but more than tolerable and short.

Low doses are a great way to work through problems. When you regain control, slowly increase your dosage to a comfortable level.


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Re: Bad Trip, help would be appreciated [Re: EternalEden]
    #5582478 - 05/02/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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The days setting was that it was my senior prom, i wasnt too impressed with where the prom was, how it was set up ect....I had a decent time with my date, but our relationship was a lil' shaky at the time. o after a long night of dancing I went home and was feeling alright, fairly happy about my night,




I believe, this was your first mistake. Your 'set' wasn't right. It doesn't sound like you were emotionally ready for a solo trip or perhaps any kind of trip, because you weren't mentally stable that night. Not only that, your body was most likely exhausted from all of the dancing. These (what you said above) are all things that can EXPLODE during a trip. You went home and tried to relax with a nice bath, which can relax your body and your mind in a sober state, but the magic mushrooms know better, my friend. :wink:

The only trip I would consider "bad" (which wasn't bad at all in the end, too much good came from it ... which is how it normally works) happened after something severe went on in my life. I decided to eat some shrooms 3 days after it happened. I should've known better, I s'pose. I felt good THAT night, and was happy ... surrounded by good friends. Once I started tripping I was immediately reminded of what happened, and during the trip all I did was try to avoid those thoughts -- which just intensified my bad feelings.

So, I think the timing was bad for you. I think you'd be okay for another solo trip, as long as your head is in the right place. Perhaps meditation everyday until your solo trip will do you some good. Then, when that spectacular day comes, after you eat the mushies ... meditate with relaxing music. My best trip (first solo) was just that! JUST BEAUTIFUL. =D


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Re: Bad Trip, help would be appreciated [Re: iheartpr0n]
    #5582780 - 05/02/06 07:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I used to get really bad body loads too, and you can't ignore them no matter how hard you try. The only cure for me was benzos. Whenever I eat mushrooms I just take a xanax before, and I haven't had a bad trip since. Some people can handle the body load better than others, and some people just don't get one, but anxiety doesn't always go away if you don't think about it. I would suggest trying xanax if you trip again, or at least having it on hand.


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Re: Bad Trip, help would be appreciated [Re: EternalEden]
    #5583930 - 05/02/06 10:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Psilocin shoots off a massive amount of epinephrine and norepinephrine during the early stages of intoxication - as a consequence anxiety is a common experience with mushrooms during the start of the trip.
Rather than playing mind games, my advice is to recognise that it is purely a physically based phenonemum that will pass like everything else in the trip - if that doesnt help just go for a walk or have a wank :wink:
I dont buy into all that crap about 'empowering' the anxiety. Unless you normally have anxiety problems in every day life chances are your just experiencing the large amount of autonomic overactivity that the start of a mushroom trip normally causes - ride it out and the good stuff will arrive.


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Re: Bad Trip, help would be appreciated [Re: EternalEden]
    #5584309 - 05/03/06 12:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

get a bunch of stuff... music... magazines... books.. trip and find out what makes you feel good... explore the meaning and the evolution of it all... set and setting is everyday life but during a trip it is magnified.

A peaceful out side setting can help with peace. I don't think products of modern society are really inclined for a peaceful trip. Nature is where it grows. War grows in man. Just some thoughts.


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Re: Bad Trip, help would be appreciated [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5584559 - 05/03/06 05:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Thats good stuff to know - I always go through thirty minutes of anxiety around 20 to 30 minutes after I dose, First couple of times being a complete newb, I thought it was because of the size of the dose (5g), but have learnt to ride it out and accept it as part of the process. about one hour into it, things come right again and I feel the magic comming on!

I always dose high and always go it alone, but my interest is more on the spiritual side of things so it suits my character to do it this way. If you dose high you are more likely to uncover scary shit lying in the depths of your mind - but on the other hand if you dose light then your chances of a conversation with god are smaller!

If things get rough - just have a little faith and ask the little brothers to ease up. They usually oblige.


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Re: Bad Trip, help would be appreciated [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5585145 - 05/03/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Psilocin shoots off a massive amount of epinephrine and norepinephrine during the early stages of intoxication - as a consequence anxiety is a common experience with mushrooms during the start of the trip.





This is true. The sympathetic nervous system, controlled by the brain, will secrete epinephrine and norepinephrine at a ratio of about 70/30 from the adrenal glands. This is the same response of the "flight or fight" response given when stress is introduced to the body. While the physiological effects are not harmful, they are nonetheless completely controlled by the brain.

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Rather than playing mind games, my advice is to recognise that it is purely a physically based phenonemum that will pass like everything else in the trip - if that doesnt help just go for a walk or have a wank :wink:




There is no phenomenon about it. The response you feel physiologically is controlled by the brain's reaction to the psilocin entering the blood stream. The sympathetic nervous system, again controlled by the brain, creates all of the physiological responses through hormone release, which in turn can cause elevated heart rate, pupil dilation, constricts arterioles in the skin and gut, among other symptoms.

Reminding yourself that the physiological response is normal is a great way to cope with the stress of the come up and is exactly what I've been saying. You have to understand what is happening to your brain and body and move on to the good stuff.

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I dont buy into all that crap about 'empowering' the anxiety. Unless you normally have anxiety problems in every day life chances are your just experiencing the large amount of autonomic overactivity that the start of a mushroom trip normally causes - ride it out and the good stuff will arrive.




When you personally experience the effects of the come up and the physiological response from hormone release you get through it because you know it's normal and will not hurt you. That is your mental response to the stimuli. Some people don't know how to do this and/or become fearful because they can't control it. This is 100% mental. The incorrect "mental" response to the body reaction can easily spiral out of control and lead to a full blown panic attack if you allow it to. Not everyone is like you Bluemeanie. Some people don't handle the stimulus as well through either inexperience or other potential underlying issues, like anxiety.

It's easy to say "ride it out and the good stuff will come" but sometimes that a lot easier said than done. The mental aspect of the trip is what controls the outcome. Give into the anxiety and you will experience a horrific trip. Learn to let it go by not empowering it and you'll have a great time. Empowering the anxiety occurs when you dwell on the sensations you are feeling and allow them to consume you. It is a mind game. How you mentally handle the physiological symptoms of the trip can sometimes determine how the trip will play out.

I think you can see where I'm coming from. Anyone who has experienced anxiety during a trip and allowed the anxiety to take over can sympathize. Good discussion here.


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Re: Bad Trip, help would be appreciated [Re: Wronguy]
    #5585825 - 05/03/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Im pretty sure i have anxiety so when i trip it can get very intense. for me i think its mostly social, I tripped alone(first time alone) about half a year ago and had an absolutely beautiful although slightly disturbing experience, i felt no anxiety just acceptance. However when im with people my ego gets confused on how to act...and i usually become very locked inside my own head and start to anaylse my own ego way too much and those around me, I become very conscious of other peoples presence...instead of just freeing my mind and experiencing something truly beautiful. Now i only trip alone

But its different for everyone. i think some people are naturally more external and are able to focus their attention on whats going on around them e.g conversation with freinds. For people like that tripping with others will probably suit them alot better. Maybe these feelings only came up on the solo trip because you werent distracted or focusing on freinds and you actually had no choice but to delve into your mind maybe properly for the first time? The very thought of being stuck alone with your thoughts might of sparked the anxiety.


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