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kija
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Best entheogen for depression
#5581366 - 05/02/06 12:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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What would be the best entheogen to use to find the source of depression. Thoughts ,ideas??
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Re: Best entheogen for depression [Re: kija]
#5581534 - 05/02/06 01:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Depression doesn't often have an obvious source... nor is there any magical chemical which will give you knowledge. If you honestly believe this is a realm where you will find help with depression, I suggest you do some self-explorative thinking on your own.
Personally I've had great insight from LSA about myself, and my depression, but that's just me.
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Re: Best entheogen for depression *DELETED* [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#5581566 - 05/02/06 01:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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kija
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Re: Best entheogen for depression [Re: Lion]
#5581583 - 05/02/06 02:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shrooms seem to make swims depression worse.(gota be in a good mindset) Cactus was his best freind for depression for a while until the taste began to get to much.The smell alone will almost induce purging now. tried the whole antidepressant seen for a long while.Changed who i was and didnt like it.Also didnt help.
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Re: Best entheogen for depression [Re: kija]
#5581642 - 05/02/06 02:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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well i think you should give st. johns wort a try. sure your not going to be tripping when you take it...but if your trying to cure depression you really shouldn't be tripping that much anyways.
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Re: Best entheogen for depression [Re: kija]
#5581671 - 05/02/06 02:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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visit a psychologist 
don't try fixing things yourself that you don't know much about. you shouldnt'even be doing drugs when depressed since some, like hallucinogens, can amplify emotions.
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Re: Best entheogen for depression [Re: makaveli8x8]
#5581700 - 05/02/06 02:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Personally i don't think depression is something you "cure". Depression is a state of the self (mind/body/spirit) with reasons -far more than the neurochemical ones. On psychedelics you might find yourself infront of the very main reasons for your condition and deal with them and learn. If you do understand what the substance will "show" you and use it in your everyday life than you may improve, if not it would be the same.
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nor is there any magical chemical which will give you knowledge.
They don't give you knowledge, they do open windows in your mind and you decide which one to look through (thus gaining knowledge/experience).
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Re: Best entheogen for depression *DELETED* [Re: AngeloWish]
#5582005 - 05/02/06 04:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Best entheogen for depression [Re: Lion]
#5582024 - 05/02/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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well scientifically it wouldbe n,n-dmt do to the fact that it creates more 5htp receptors in yor body which helps with depression insomnia and cravings(other stuff too).
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Re: Best entheogen for depression [Re: DeathCompany]
#5582130 - 05/02/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I used to suffer from terrible depression. I decided to try to use shrooms to figure out why I was in such a terrible state of mind. I read all the stuff about you shouldn't take them if you are depressed, etc but quiet frankly I didn't care. I was extremely suicidal and had no where else to turn, I tried medication and all the bullshit. Medication doesn't do shit. Changing the chemical makeup of your brain does nothing but numb the sources that are causing the depression. Anyways, I took about an 1/8th of shrooms with a sitter to make sure I didn't kill myself. At the end of the trip I had found meaning to life. My depression had vanished. At first I thought it was just an afterglow type effect, it has been 3 months and I have never felt better. Of course this is only my personal experience.
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Re: Best entheogen for depression [Re: HighGuy]
#5582824 - 05/02/06 07:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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DMT for depression sounds as good an idea as meth for sleep.
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Re: Best entheogen for depression [Re: twiggedoubt]
#5582849 - 05/02/06 07:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Its quit doubtful that you'll cure your depression, if it even is depression and not an episode that will go away once you get over it. MDMA sort've helped me for about 2-3 days, a mood lift and a feeling of happiness that I would get when I was normaly enthused and happy throughout the day. Oddly enough alcohol usually does the same thing after I wake up from having moderately drunk enough to get me somewhat smashed. It was a feeling that would make me feel great doing just about anything without being on any substance.
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Re: Best entheogen for depression [Re: Muppet69_420]
#5582901 - 05/02/06 08:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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"At the vanguard of this research is Charles Grob, M.D., a professor of psychiatry and pediatrics at UCLA's School of Medicine. In 1993 Dr. Grob launched the Hoasca Project, the first in-depth study of the physical and psychological effects of ayahuasca on humans. His team went to Brazil, where the plant mixture can be taken legally, to study members of a native church, the Uni?o do Vegetal (UDV), who use ayahuasca as a sacrament, and compared them to a control group that had never ingested the substance. The studies found that all the ayahuasca-using UDV members had experienced remission without recurrence of their addictions, depression, or anxiety disorders. In addition, blood samples revealed a startling discovery: Ayahuasca seems to give users a greater sensitivity to serotonin?one of the mood-regulating chemicals produced by the body?by increasing the number of serotonin receptors on nerve cells.
Unlike most common antidepressants, which Grob says can create such high levels of serotonin that cells may actually compensate by losing many of their serotonin receptors, the Hoasca Project showed that ayahuasca strongly enhances the body's ability to absorb the serotonin that's naturally there.
"Ayahuasca is perhaps a far more sophisticated and effective way to treat depression than SSRIs [antidepressant drugs]," Grob concludes, adding that the use of SSRIs is "a rather crude way" of doing it. And ayahuasca, he insists, has great potential as a long-term solution.
While it's tantalizing to wonder whether such positive physiological changes took place in me when I was last in Peru". -------------------------------------------------------------
It "sure as shit" worked for me, I dont even want to use obscenities when talking or working with that divine substance. It even healed my body, but thats another story.
full story here(its a good one)-----> http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/0603/features/peru.html
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Re: Best entheogen for depression [Re: stemmer]
#5582957 - 05/02/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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stemmer said: "At the vanguard of this research is Charles Grob, M.D., a professor of psychiatry and pediatrics at UCLA's School of Medicine. In 1993 Dr. Grob launched the Hoasca Project, the first in-depth study of the physical and psychological effects of ayahuasca on humans. His team went to Brazil, where the plant mixture can be taken legally, to study members of a native church, the Uni?o do Vegetal (UDV), who use ayahuasca as a sacrament, and compared them to a control group that had never ingested the substance. The studies found that all the ayahuasca-using UDV members had experienced remission without recurrence of their addictions, depression, or anxiety disorders. In addition, blood samples revealed a startling discovery: Ayahuasca seems to give users a greater sensitivity to serotonin?one of the mood-regulating chemicals produced by the body?by increasing the number of serotonin receptors on nerve cells.
Unlike most common antidepressants, which Grob says can create such high levels of serotonin that cells may actually compensate by losing many of their serotonin receptors, the Hoasca Project showed that ayahuasca strongly enhances the body's ability to absorb the serotonin that's naturally there.
"Ayahuasca is perhaps a far more sophisticated and effective way to treat depression than SSRIs [antidepressant drugs]," Grob concludes, adding that the use of SSRIs is "a rather crude way" of doing it. And ayahuasca, he insists, has great potential as a long-term solution.
While it's tantalizing to wonder whether such positive physiological changes took place in me when I was last in Peru". -------------------------------------------------------------
It "sure as shit" worked for me, I dont even want to use obscenities when talking or working with that divine substance. It even healed my body, but thats another story.
full story here(its a good one)-----> http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/0603/features/peru.html
To bad the diet restrictions are a huge thing for me.
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Re: Best entheogen for depression [Re: Muppet69_420]
#5583019 - 05/02/06 08:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why? Is it because of meds or what?
I mean if you have been taking meds for so many years that you dont know what life is like without them, I wouldnt suggest getting off the meds for a few weeks(which I would imagine would be difficult), and then taking ayahuasca.
If you take meds like that you have found a solution but not one that gives way to methods of getting off the meds for good.
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Re: Best entheogen for depression [Re: stemmer]
#5583033 - 05/02/06 08:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Im not talking about meds; its the stuff you need to make the brew. For example Syrian Rue, in significant amounts when a strict dietry isn't taken could really do a number on you.
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Re: Best entheogen for depression [Re: Muppet69_420]
#5583149 - 05/02/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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A diet or even fasting for two days is small shit compared to what you would go through during a thick medicinal dose of ayahuasca.
Its well worth it. If you die before ingesting a fat dose of ayahuasca(reguardless of whether or not you just want to trip, or if you want to heal yourself), you are missing out big time. That stuff is not considered the most intense oral hallucinogen ever for no reason. Some day, abide by the dietary requirements for a day or two, and then trip unlike ever before. DOnt dose too high your first time though.
The purge is common-place for sure. But I have found a way to come nowhere close to feeling sick even with high doses. There are ways.
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Re: Best entheogen for depression [Re: stemmer]
#5583387 - 05/02/06 09:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I had when I was younger what I would assume now was depression. I never talked to anyone about it as I didnt really think anything was wrong. Then one day I was walking along and I came to a realisation , and that pretty much solved my problem.
Depression is a terrible thing - it's so hard to explain that you feel sad just generally with life, for no apparant reason. I can see how mescaline (havent tried shrooms) could be good in helping you reach the same conclusion I came to that day - but you'd best be very careful. Sitter is a must, and perhaps go super low dose so that you get the thought changes without any of the visuals. Just look after yourself.  They were using LSD to help with depression back in the day - so who knows.
Seems a lot of people here on the shroomery have/have had depression.
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Re: Best entheogen for depression [Re: Feelers]
#5583896 - 05/02/06 10:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Best entheogen for depression [Re: kija]
#5584293 - 05/03/06 12:22 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Make sure your getting sun and eating right. Do the things you can do and don't worry about the things you can't do right now.
Get a few herb plants and eat fresh herbs. I would say most of the population lacks proper nutrition... lacks fresh foods.
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