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Offlinemikeownow
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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5587208 - 05/03/06 06:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Millet rules better. But rye is pretty damn good too. BRF is shite.




Millet huh? Were do I get that?


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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: mikeownow]
    #5587415 - 05/03/06 07:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

iam usinbg rye righyt now and wbs..and my rye is colonizing 50 times faster then the wbs for some odd reason..i started my wbs pint jars a week ago and there not even 50% done and i did the rye 5 days ago and there about 50% done..casing to poo soon will be great..


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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5587535 - 05/03/06 08:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Snaggletooth said:
PSYLOCYBE FANATICUS  :wink:


now who can answer who that is



he is the good professor who brought us the pf classic and the mutant pf redspore. but you already knew that.

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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: thenewguy05]
    #5587551 - 05/03/06 08:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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thenewguy05 said:
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Snaggletooth said:
PSYLOCYBE FANATICUS  :wink:


now who can answer who that is



he is the good professor who brought us the pf classic and the mutant pf redspore. but you already knew that.




What could he have done before tthat?


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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: mikeownow]
    #5587568 - 05/03/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

at a shop.
In most bird seed mixes there is a pretty high ratio of millet. And it grows chunky potent suckers:


those fellas were yum -

The professor makes some pretty outlandish claims at times, but he is indeed the person who came up with the PF tek and the person we can thank for a few older cubie strains


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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: BMArts]
    #5587732 - 05/03/06 08:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

As far as equal ammounts of each (cased rye -vs- PF) I can only guess. The problem is, straight grain is hard to keep hydrated, so pound for pound, PF might yield more, especially if you're dunking.

However, If you have a PC, and are doing quart jars of rye, it's less effort and expense to generate larger ammounts of colonized rye grain. From that aspect alone, you should be getting bigger yields from rye... faster, more potent, and less expensive.

You say you don't want to mess with bulk, but cooking a pot of straw is stone easy. Consider it, if what you're looking for is big yield. Straw has good potency too, IMXP. Take 4-5 quarts of rye, spawn it to 4-5 gallons of straw, dump it in a mono-tub, shrooms galore :thumbup:

And, BRF made the grade with PF because it's widely available, but it's not hard to locate some rye flour at a health food store, and it's easy to find on the net these days too. If you stick with PF (not that you should), I would recommend using rye flour over BRF any day. I've found that it colonizes faster, and it should be more potent.

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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: Rahz]
    #5588001 - 05/03/06 09:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

so? basically, all ppl use rye and such, to have more potent mushrooms??


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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: homusubi]
    #5588090 - 05/03/06 10:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

haha, well, no. AFAIK, most people doing cakes are using BRF since that's what the directions say. Most people using rye grain use it as spawn. So that ends up with not too many people fruiting from rye.

As far as I know, WBS shouldn't be noticably more or less potent than rye grain if you care to fruit from it.

Accepted wisdom from the old hands is that nothing beats horse crap, but they're in the frame of bulk subs, so they might not be considering straight grains.

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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: Rahz]
    #5588121 - 05/03/06 10:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

but remember people much of a pf cake is verm! so technically there is much less actual substrate in a cased cake. or you sould just add in an equal amount of verm to your grain jar. thats would make a better comparison i think


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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: Rahz]
    #5588123 - 05/03/06 10:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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It all comes down to two things - the nutrient level of the substrate and its L-tryptophan content.
Substrates like BRF lack both - substrates like Rye contain more of both.
Substrates like millet are full to the brim with L-tryptophan which cubensis readily converts to psilocybin and related alkaloids.




You can get JUST as much off a PF casing as you can with a rye casing...As long as both pin as well and such.

The difference between the two is that one colonizes about 4x faster...Makes the roomies more potent...And, it's somewhat less work once you get it down(IMO).

I personally use Pf, simply because I fuck up more wbs jars than I do Pf jars...Fucking moisture content :evil:...

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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: Rahz]
    #5588881 - 05/04/06 01:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

speak for yourself - i never spawn - just use litre substrate jars of rye and millet.


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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5588930 - 05/04/06 02:10 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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bluemeanie said:
speak for yourself - i never spawn - just use litre substrate jars of rye and millet.




Why? Bad luck with straw? Or is it just to much of a hassle :confused:

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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: homusubi]
    #5589172 - 05/04/06 06:38 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

see substrate potency poll

nearly 80 growers surveyed,
rice beat rye by 2:1 margin


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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: Hippie3]
    #5589176 - 05/04/06 06:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

that is horse shit. poll that over here and see what experienced grower have to say. no offence but seriously... ask workman, ask agar, shit ask anno, roger rabbit, and roadkill. Do this poll in the advanced forums and not with newbies who have only grown with the pf tek.ask people who are experienced and not people who are just going to side with a site admin.

i'm not basing this on some crack pot theory, just hardcore facts.
rye contains 2.30% nitrogen on average and rice is averaged at about 0.98% nitrogen. it dosen't take a rocket scientist to see rice is weaker in nutritional value.

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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: thenewguy05]
    #5589339 - 05/04/06 08:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

anno has already stated that he found brf shrooms plenty potent,
many others as well have stated the same.
some 79 growers were polled already
and anyone can vote,
plenty from here frequent both sites.
and i don't have a 'side' in the poll,
that's nonsense.

further
as anno also stated elsewhere
the most potent species
grow on wood,
even less nutritious.
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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: Hippie3]
    #5593441 - 05/05/06 10:19 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not going to knock the poll, but there were only 13 people who voted either rye or rice. I wouldn't exactly call that convincing, regardless of what forum it was posted on.


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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: Hippie3]
    #5593536 - 05/05/06 10:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It ain't a damn popularity contest among newbies for crying out loud. Also, ever since you(hippie3) started selling pf jars, you knock rye as a spawn material, and have kicked anyone selling substrate or jars off your site.  You praise popcorn as a spawn material as if it were a gift from the gods, so folks will fail and buy your pf jars.  Everyone around here sees through your shit.  Give it up.

Then you say you don't have a 'side' in the poll... :bendoverrover:
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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: thenewguy05]
    #5593682 - 05/05/06 11:18 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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thenewguy05 said:

that is horse shit. poll that over here and see what experienced grower have to say. no offence but seriously... ask workman, ask agar, shit ask anno, roger rabbit, and roadkill. Do this poll in the advanced forums and not with newbies who have only grown with the pf tek.ask people who are experienced and not people who are just going to side with a site admin.

i'm not basing this on some crack pot theory, just hardcore facts.
rye contains 2.30% nitrogen on average and rice is averaged at about 0.98% nitrogen. it dosen't take a rocket scientist to see rice is weaker in nutritional value. 




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ok...my take on things.

If we are talking about Rye grain with just a casing layer...verses BRF/Verm cakes.
The Rye is going to be more potent.

But if we are talking about Rye grain verses a BRF/Verm cake(ground up)...and both are spawned into horse poo, compost or some other kind of bulk substrate.
The potency isn't going to be too noticibly different.

Then we come to WBS, Millet and other substrates.
I love Millet...if it was cheaper I'd use nothing but Millet.
I really don't like fruiting off any of these subrates without spawning them into a bulk substrate.
The real advantage to using WBS or Millet for me is that you get more colonization points when you are spawning into a bulk substrate.
Cost wise...WBS is probably the cheapest.

All of this comes down to what each grower likes and finds easier for them...
and everyone has their own opinion.

The PF cake serves its purpose...for the person that doesn't have a pressure cooker.
And for the person that really doesn't need a large crop...just a few cakes will get the job done for them.
I actually laugh when I see a grow room full of PF cakes.
lolzz

and only one specie is comparable to the potency of a wood lover like the p. cyan or p. azure...that is the liberty cap.

just my opinion on things.

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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5593747 - 05/05/06 11:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I use popcorn with fantastic results. They were simple, colonized within a week and ready to use 5 days after that.


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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: CrazyPsilocybe]
    #5593765 - 05/05/06 11:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I've used popcorn with great results for spawning also. It sucks as a cased grain. I wouldn't say it's any better than rye or WBS as far as spawning material goes though.


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