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BMArts
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Rye vs PF?
#5580900 - 05/02/06 09:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anyone have an estimate of how much extra yield you can get in % from a specific amount of rye cased as compared to the same amount of PF substrate cased?
Eg. After working with PF cakes cased I have noticed that more substrate depth doesn't make for a (much) bigger yield (at least for the first flush). 2 cakes gave me about 100 grams and 4 gave me 120 grams (both cased in the same manner in the same containers). The difference was that the 2 cake casing shrank tones and didn't yield much more in succesive flushes where as the 4 cake casing didn't shrink very much and continues to yield a lot in the next flushes.
Now I have started growing on rye and am wondering how much the yield will increse. If I case a pint of rye will it yield as much as casing 2 1/2 pint PF jars or more? One thing which I have already noticed is for sure... the rye colonizes much faster ;-).
Basically what I am wondering is wether I should continue doing PF and rye parallel (and possibly case the 2 substrates mixed together) or wether I should drop the PFs and just concentrate on rye... thanks and peace
PS: please don't mention that I should be doing bulk.. I know the benefits but I just can't go there for now...
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Edited by BMArts (05/02/06 11:07 AM)
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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: BMArts]
#5580910 - 05/02/06 10:00 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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THis one is easy for me. Rhizomorphic growth on rye is harldy as intense as on PF, which means better pinning and better, more efficient flushes.
all of my rye projects, with the exception of oysters, have failed to fruit, or have only fruited "marginally" (less return for the investment of time and energy).
Go with PF, it's a no-brainer
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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: yogafire]
#5580956 - 05/02/06 10:14 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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yogafire said: THis one is easy for me. Rhizomorphic growth on rye is harldy as intense as on PF, which means better pinning and better, more efficient flushes.
all of my rye projects, with the exception of oysters, have failed to fruit, or have only fruited "marginally" (less return for the investment of time and energy).
Go with PF, it's a no-brainer
Hmm I have a feeling that your opinion that PF is superior to grain substrates is not perticularly common. But who knows... hopefully there'll be some more answers soon.
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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: BMArts]
#5581193 - 05/02/06 11:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ya I would hope not cause I have some rye jars incubating atm and I was also under the impression that grains were superior to the PF tek. Thats why I got a damn pressure cooker!! Ppl were telling me if you can't pressure cook your grains just stick to the PF tek, which led me to believe that the PF tek, though maybe fool proof, was less rewarding in the end. Otherwise, why would everyone bother with the pressure cooker when you could technically just steam the PF jars.
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He is right, this is why you have to case rye and you can fruit right off a BRF cake.
Rye is easier and takes less time for caseing that is why many people use it. I myself perfer WSB.
If I am wrong someone let me know.
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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: Babo911]
#5581228 - 05/02/06 11:53 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Babo911 said: He is right, this is why you have to case rye and you can fruit right off a BRF cake.
Rye is easier and takes less time for caseing that is why many people use it. I myself perfer WSB.
If I am wrong someone let me know.
You are wrong, it's WBS, not WSB, unless that was supposed to be short for wasabi.
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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: FooMan]
#5581237 - 05/02/06 11:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yea, i am kinda hung over so excuse my inability to type
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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: Babo911]
#5581724 - 05/02/06 03:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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So anyone got an answer as to how much % more a rye casing may yield in contrast to a PF style substrate casing? I mean I'll know myself soon enough... but I'm just curious and thought perhaps someone knows.
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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: BMArts]
#5581738 - 05/02/06 03:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I personally can't help you in this area since I have never done rye, but there are plenty of members who have. Let the thread ride and I'm sure you'll have some nice responses by this evening.
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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: Wronguy]
#5581764 - 05/02/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wronguy said: I personally can't help you in this area since I have never done rye, but there are plenty of members who have. Let the thread ride and I'm sure you'll have some nice responses by this evening.
Thanks for pointing that out to me. The funny thing is: for me its almost midnight already... I guess you mean this evening US time.
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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: BMArts]
#5581806 - 05/02/06 03:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I never done PF but have read and seen the results.
I dont think that rye/RF are even comparable, as far as colonizing times, spawning capability and potency and helps for latter flushes.
I think it is easier and better as a spawn once you get use to it. Meaning getting the moister correct, and that is the only thing that you have to be concerned with. Rye with LC is even better.
But sorry no numbers....
what are you using hpoo and what for a casing layer?
yeah US time, doesn't the world revolve around us yet...lol j/k
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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: BMArts]
#5581818 - 05/02/06 03:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i dont like rye or PF, the recipe that ive grown accustomed to is closer to PF i guess, just cooked whole brwn rice, quinoa, verm, ground flax/millet/maybe some finchseed and water.
works well for me every time, not sure about the amount of nutrients in rice+ compared to rye, but its a nice airy mix that my spores happen to LOVE, maybe give it a go, its most silimar to the alien tek, just play around with the ingredients until you find the right mix for you
cheers
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It all comes down to two things - the nutrient level of the substrate and its L-tryptophan content. Substrates like BRF lack both - substrates like Rye contain more of both. Substrates like millet are full to the brim with L-tryptophan which cubensis readily converts to psilocybin and related alkaloids.
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brf does just fine, there is no guaranty that 1 pint of rye cased will do better than 2 half pint cakes.
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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: Hippie3]
#5584673 - 05/03/06 07:26 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i will tell you this... the yeild won't go up but the potency will.
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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: Hippie3]
#5587154 - 05/03/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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RYE RULES IF U DO IT GOOD
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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: mikeownow]
#5587171 - 05/03/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Millet rules better. But rye is pretty damn good too. BRF is shite.
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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: BMArts]
#5587191 - 05/03/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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What's PF stand for again i forgot sorry.
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Re: Rye vs PF? [Re: MFKDGAF]
#5587202 - 05/03/06 06:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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PSYLOCYBE FANATICUS
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