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Re: Don't be fooled. [Re: Basilides]
    #5582493 - 05/02/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Basilides said:
I got some of it figured out for myself




Figuring out something that you believe is true for yourself is all well and good. But it's just a belief system like everyone elses.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Don't be fooled. [Re: Icelander]
    #5582499 - 05/02/06 06:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Icelander said:
So if you have some basis for your statement. Lets have it.




Only if you provide basis for that statement. :grin:

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Re: Don't be fooled. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5582505 - 05/02/06 06:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Which statement.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Don't be fooled. [Re: Icelander]
    #5582509 - 05/02/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Like yours? :smirk:


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Re: Don't be fooled. [Re: Icelander]
    #5582510 - 05/02/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Which statement.




The one that I quoted. :lol:

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Re: Don't be fooled. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5582539 - 05/02/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

There is no basis anywhere!
Now, come drink this enjoyable Kool-aid with me.

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Re: Don't be fooled. [Re: Icelander]
    #5582544 - 05/02/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Icelander said:
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Deviate said:
dont be fooled by those who claim that truth is unnattainable or non existent either.




What is truth?

While I don't know if it is unattainable or non existant I also don't know anyone who knows this. If you have to believe in "truth" believe in the one you decide on, free from any fear or greed, but even then you will not know if your truth is ultimately true or not.

So if you have some basis for your statement. Lets have it.





how do you know that? you say you dont know truth but then you state ''truths''. it just seems pretty contradictory to me.

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Re: Don't be fooled. [Re: Deviate]
    #5582627 - 05/02/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Deviate said:
how do you know that?  you say you dont know truth but then you state ''truths''. it just seems pretty contradictory to me.




Nowhere did I observe any assertion of "truth". Perhaps it seems contradictory because you are creating a situation that is not actually evident?

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Re: Don't be fooled. [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5582637 - 05/02/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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MushmanTheManic said:
There is no basis anywhere!
Now, come drink this enjoyable Kool-aid with me.




I am drinking this Kool-Aid, as we speak. I am not sure how enjoyable it is, however. My roommate made Kool-Aid earlier, but her wrist gave out and she dropped the container, breaking it. I then went to make a package of Kool-Aid, using a 64 fl oz Gatorade bottle, but there wasn't a full cup of sugar left. I then shook it all up and it is sort of weird.

Not only that, but I just ate a bunch of Skittles, and they tore up my tongue a bit, it feels numbish/burnt. Oh, I also burnt it on hot food earlier today. The combined effects make for a questionable Kool-Aid experience.

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I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
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Re: Don't be fooled. [Re: Deviate]
    #5582678 - 05/02/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Rephrased for Mushomanicalogical accuracy:
"If you have to believe in "truth" consider believing in the one you decide on, free from any fear or greed... but even then, there doesn't seem to be an absolutely sure way to know if your truth is ultimately true or not."

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Re: Don't be fooled. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5582708 - 05/02/06 07:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

This Kool-aid incident seems unforunate. I hope you will not abstain from it because just of this. Try adding extra sugar and hemlock. I do this fairly often; its helps it go down. (Warning: The truth of this statement has not been evaluated.)

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Re: Don't be fooled. [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5582723 - 05/02/06 07:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

''t even then you will not know if your truth is ultimately true or not.''

this was stated as truth.

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Re: Don't be fooled. [Re: Deviate]
    #5582773 - 05/02/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Deviate said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
Quote:

Deviate said:
dont be fooled by those who claim that truth is unnattainable or non existent either.




What is truth?

While I don't know if it is unattainable or non existant I also don't know anyone who knows this. If you have to believe in "truth" believe in the one you decide on, free from any fear or greed, but even then you will not know if your truth is ultimately true or not.

So if you have some basis for your statement. Lets have it.





how do you know that? you say you dont know truth but then you state ''truths''. it just seems pretty contradictory to me.




Of course you're right. But remember I said not to believe me either.

I personally believe it is self evident that one cannot know ultimate truth, but that is a subjective belief of mine. My point is to do your own research and draw you own conclusions but remember that each person will perceive truth in his or her own fasion. Now if each person does this and no one exactly agrees then how do we know whos truth is correct?

So then we shouldn't be so sure that we know the truth or that anyone does. Truth is personal and subjective as far as I can tell.

Can you show me different?


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Don't be fooled. [Re: Icelander]
    #5582837 - 05/02/06 07:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)


Of course you're right. But remember I said not to believe me either.

I personally believe it is self evident that one cannot know ultimate truth, but that is a subjective belief of mine.


but that is essentially not different from saying ''i believe the ultimate truth is self evident''. that why is see it as contradictory. of course our beliefs are subjective and i would agree with yout hat the ultimate truth cannot be known at the level of belief but i dont think that means ultimate truth doesnt exist or cannot exist independently of beliefs.

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Re: Don't be fooled. [Re: Deviate]
    #5582856 - 05/02/06 07:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know if it is unattainable or non existant

As you can see from my earlier post above I have already agreed with this.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Don't be fooled. [Re: Icelander]
    #5582874 - 05/02/06 08:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

well my first post wasnt really directed at you, i was just saying be equally weary of those who profess there is no such thing as truth.

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Re: Don't be fooled. [Re: Deviate]
    #5582931 - 05/02/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Gotcha. :thumbup:


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Re: Don't be fooled. [Re: Icelander]
    #5583067 - 05/02/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

What if we were like Cosmic Fools?



Would that really be so bad? Might there even be benefit in being fooled? What if you were tricked into the choosing the correct direction toward a wider more expansive view? Only a cosmic fool can understand the cosmic joke! So it goes without saying that a more refined sense of humor naturally follows from this realization. :lol:

Ha! Fooled yah! :stars:


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Re: Don't be fooled. [Re: Sinbad]
    #5583080 - 05/02/06 08:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

the fool and the magician are my two favorite tarot cards :smile:

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Re: Don't be fooled. [Re: Sinbad]
    #5583210 - 05/02/06 09:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

There's a big difference between a Cosmic fool(and I might agree with you) and a plain fool. :grin: In the end we fool ourselves don't you think?

I have often identified with the fool card. But in laying them I was moved most often a step forward to The Magus, the will to act. More than I could have hoped for at one time.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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