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Darkenshroom
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I officially grew the weakest cubes known to man.
#5578276 - 05/01/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Using WBS->MycoNitro->Casing I did my first grow. 1164 grams wet, gorgeous fruits (see my pictures for an idea of how picture perfect they were) and almost no hiccups in the grow. Now I know that eating my fruits really is more a psychadelic experience topic, but, this is a cultivation thread regarding what may have caused the weakness...
Something was amiss in cube land with this flush and it produced the weakest shrooms I have ever eaten. 5 grams gave me a lvl 2 that peaked at lvl 3. Visuals were close on to non existant. In point of fact it felt and seemed more akin to a Mescaline trip than a Psi trip. I had very noticable tracers, and intensified colors but nearly no distortion or wall crawling.
Now I know that from flush to flush fruit to fruit potency can vary. And though part of me would like to blame my ghettoriffic food dehydrator which dried them too fast imho (11 hours for a 1164 wet grams to become cracker dry), I can't since I ate fresh. And 4 days later ate dry and got the same general level of effect.
I was just wondering if anyone else has ever grown so weak of cubes? And what I may or may not have done to affect the outcome myself. Or shoudl I blame it on the multi spore inoc and the mycelial network that came out on top?
As my second flush comes in, I have to wonder if the fruits of this will be better than the fruits of the last...
And in case anyone was going to ask, I cased with a peat/verm mix, and have a 4" substrate depth of Myco Nitro.
Darken *smiles*
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Edited by Darkenshroom (05/01/06 06:11 PM)
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Re: I officially grew the weakest cubes known to man. [Re: Darkenshroom]
#5578307 - 05/01/06 06:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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havent grown as weak shrooms, sure have eaten as weak shrooms though. what is myco nitro?
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Darkenshroom
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Re: I officially grew the weakest cubes known to man. [Re: BlueRidge]
#5578316 - 05/01/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Myco Nitro is the compost designed and soon to be sold by none other than our own Agar. It colonizes great, and fruits amazingly, and I have read other reports saying that flushes grown on it blow horse crap out of the water. But damn something went awry with mine because they had the potency of ummm shitty mushies lol.
Darken *smiles*
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Re: I officially grew the weakest cubes known to man. [Re: Darkenshroom]
#5578323 - 05/01/06 06:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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What temp does your dehydrator run at?
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Darkenshroom
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Re: I officially grew the weakest cubes known to man. [Re: HSIHd]
#5578334 - 05/01/06 06:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I ate them wet the first time round and ate dehydrated second time around, no noticable loss in potency from fresh, they just came out weak....Oh and by the way my dehydrator does run a bit high in heat, won't be using that one ever again. It does like 160 degrees or so I would guess, seeing as it has no temp control I can only surmise.
Darken *smiles*
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Re: I officially grew the weakest cubes known to man. [Re: HSIHd]
#5578335 - 05/01/06 06:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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is there anything Agar Can't do !!!
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Re: I officially grew the weakest cubes known to man. [Re: Dr_Mcgillicuddy]
#5578397 - 05/01/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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it happens, you can generate a weak substrain from multispore. This is why its a good idea to start to clone your grows if you havent already. That way you'll have a stable strain you enjoy so there's no surpises in the end.
Sorry you weren't happy with your grow, it happens, all the more excuse to get more going
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Re: I officially grew the weakest cubes known to man. [Re: Dr_Mcgillicuddy]
#5578402 - 05/01/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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So you ate 5 grams of fresh 'shrooms?
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Re: I officially grew the weakest cubes known to man. [Re: HippyInASuit]
#5578503 - 05/01/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah, how much wet did u eat?
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Re: I officially grew the weakest cubes known to man. [Re: HippyInASuit]
#5578507 - 05/01/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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ya I was wondering that too. You said you ate 5 grams...was that fresh or dry? Tbh I know next to nothing about the dosages as I've never even tried shrooms (keeping my fingers crossed that my rye jars colonize!!)....but I have gathered from what I read that the final weight is like 10% of the wet weight. So if you ate 5 grams fresh that would probably be around half a gram dry which I believe is very very little.
But then again, come to think of it, if you had eaten the equivalent of half a dry gram, you probably would not have really tripped at all. SO i think i jsut answered my own question :P
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Re: I officially grew the weakest cubes known to man. [Re: iamyour_messiah]
#5578645 - 05/01/06 07:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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56 grams wet, which would equate to roughly 5 grams dry, I am sorry I was not specific on that I ate the equivalent of 5 grams dry, but fresh instead of dry.
Darken *smiles*
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Edited by Darkenshroom (05/01/06 08:48 PM)
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Re: I officially grew the weakest cubes known to man. [Re: Darkenshroom]
#5578774 - 05/01/06 08:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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sounds to me like your expecting too much, pluss if you ate them wet then dry soon after you could have a tolorence. i have had many shrooms that were good and didn't get visuals. seing shit is something most atribute to tripping but some people have a harder time geting visual distortions. wait like a couple weeks then try them again, see if tolorence had anything to do with it.
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Re: I officially grew the weakest cubes known to man. [Re: DaCultivater]
#5578825 - 05/01/06 08:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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sounds like too much psilocin, not enough psilocybin ??
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Re: I officially grew the weakest cubes known to man. [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5578852 - 05/01/06 08:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't think you got the point DaCultivator my friend, I ate them wet after having not eaten shrooms in over 2 months. And yes I do have expectations as to what 5-5.5 grams should do to me, and I know the distinct difference between different level trips. I was barely altered by 5 grams worth, thats not very potent. Either way I'll just waitfor my next batch, which won't be long now and see if it was a substrain issue.
EquilibriuM- Your body converts Psilocybin to Psilicin. As far as I can tell it was just a weak substrain from the multispore inoc that took root. No worries I have several more of the same size tubs and a few larger in the works.
Darken *smiles*
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Re: I officially grew the weakest cubes known to man. [Re: Darkenshroom]
#5579032 - 05/01/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You said "seemed more akin to a Mescaline trip than a Psi trip" seemed interesting. I have read about the importance of these ratios and what you feel while using different mixtures, though on the surface it seems that you are correct, Psilocybin converts to Psilocin .... but psilocin is also much less stable then Psilocybin... something to think about.
Also, the addition of tryptamine is said to change this ratio of Psilocybin to Psilocin, perhaps the super nutrient enhanced myco-nitro substrate could actually be counter productive in its effects on potency with certain strains?
Just a thought... Could also be a shitty sub-strain...
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Re: I officially grew the weakest cubes known to man. [Re: Darkenshroom]
#5579067 - 05/01/06 09:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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On the bright side you have a pretty good yield. And even if it takes 10g to reach the level your trying to get too you could trip once a month for another YEAR. I bet if you tried 6g+ maybe even 7-8g (What I consider a HIGH dosage) you would be getting the effects you want.
Grind about 30g up and mix them together (to even out potency from on shroom to another) then make OJ drinks or chocolates out of them...
BTW. I dry at 150 degrees and haven't noticed any loss in potency.
Edited by musher_420 (05/01/06 09:23 PM)
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Re: I officially grew the weakest cubes known to man. [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5579073 - 05/01/06 09:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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ya you are right 5-5.5 g's should rock your world.
as i understand it, psilocybin is what is in fresh mushies, and psilocin is what it changes to when their dried. i think lol... but i could be very wrong.
either way if you have had many experiances in the past with mushies then you would know that the ones you grew are very week. lol
that sux, try growing again,should be better next time
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Re: I officially grew the weakest cubes known to man. [Re: DaCultivater]
#5579179 - 05/01/06 09:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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not exactly fresh mushrooms are more potent because they contain the less stable psilocin. When dried the psilocin usually oxidizes and is gone. However the psilocybin remains. Jonnie eats mushroom and the psilocybin is converted to psilocin in your body. 95% sure thats correct
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