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OfflinejustAkid
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Re: evil [Re: Icelander]
    #5583343 - 05/02/06 09:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I never said which country. Your post seems foolish and fearful and I choose the club that you are not in.




Please don't beat around the bush. You and I both know what you talking about.

And I wonder where did you get that phrase? "One nation under God". I think that it was in the Pledge of Allegiance of Canada. No, I'm sorry Mexico. Damn I know I'm close, I must be fucking retarded, because that sounds so god damn familiar. OH!! The United States Of America.


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Re: evil [Re: justAkid]
    #5583588 - 05/02/06 10:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I must be fucking retarded,

Then you have an excuse for your ignorance.

I may have used some words that you know but I applied them to any and every country that uses religion to oppress people. :tongue:


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OfflineSporetacus
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Re: evil [Re: Basilides]
    #5584375 - 05/03/06 02:13 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Basilides said:
Evil to me is conscious harm brought against another being.




Does this mean that unconscious harm such as that done by a drunk driver or 'collateral damage' falls outside your parameter?


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Re: evil [Re: Sporetacus]
    #5584407 - 05/03/06 02:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Sporetacus said:
Quote:

Basilides said:
Evil to me is conscious harm brought against another being.




Does this mean that unconscious harm such as that done by a drunk driver or 'collateral damage' falls outside you parameter?




i think the problem here is evil has become too ambiguous a term which people use in all sorts of ways. for example, although one might refer to the deeds of a drunk driver as evil, there is still a discernable difference between someone who desires to do harm and someone who is so careless and selfish in their own actions that they end up doing harm.


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OfflineSporetacus
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Re: evil [Re: Deviate]
    #5584435 - 05/03/06 03:21 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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there is still a discernable difference between someone who desires to do harm and someone who is so careless and selfish in their own actions that they end up doing harm.





There is?

You make that sound objective. It is still subjective no matter how you phrase it. I don't see the difference as all harm is caused by asleep people. How could it be otherwise?


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Re: evil [Re: Sporetacus]
    #5585190 - 05/03/06 10:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Right on Sportacus. :thumbup: :grin:


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Re: evil [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #5585300 - 05/03/06 11:16 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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PhanTomCat said:

P.S.  Oldwood, I am thinking that if you shared your thoughts on this topic with him, he prolly~ wouldn't "bother" you any more....  :wink:





lol, yea, I bet  :grin:


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Re: evil [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5585650 - 05/03/06 12:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

hmm..folksman ? I don't know exactly. It slipped out of me, thinking about you wandering with your two feet through nature, enjoying and wondering, what more people do than living in skyscrapers or on the moon, enjoying 'artificial' human separation :smile:


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Re: evil [Re: Icelander]
    #5586067 - 05/03/06 02:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Here is the ugly, terrible face of evil:



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OfflineDeviate
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Re: evil [Re: Sporetacus]
    #5586096 - 05/03/06 02:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Sporetacus said:
Quote:

there is still a discernable difference between someone who desires to do harm and someone who is so careless and selfish in their own actions that they end up doing harm.





There is?

You make that sound objective. It is still subjective no matter how you phrase it. I don't see the difference as all harm is caused by asleep people. How could it be otherwise?




the difference is intent and it is a difference big enough to determine whether someone is charged with murder or manslaughter. if you dont think there's a difference you can take it up with the justice system.


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Re: evil [Re: Deviate]
    #5586121 - 05/03/06 02:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I can take it up with the justice system (as some sort of arbiter of spiritual truth)? If that is TRULY your point of view, I know that you will turn yourself in for illegal drug use...

A man shooting another in the face because he is drunk on alcohol or a man shooting another in the face because he is drunk on a jealous rage are BOTH indicative of being quite distant from The Truth or Awareness.


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Re: evil [Re: Sporetacus]
    #5586131 - 05/03/06 02:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, lovely sporetacus, once again you are correct. :heart:


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OfflineSporetacus
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Re: evil [Re: Icelander]
    #5586142 - 05/03/06 02:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Two in a row. :thumbup: Shall I push my 'luck'?


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OfflineDeviate
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Re: evil [Re: Sporetacus]
    #5586146 - 05/03/06 02:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)


I can take it up with the justice system (as some sort of arbiter of spiritual truth)? If that is TRULY your point of view, I know that you will turn yourself in for illegal drug use...


huh? i dont folllow.

A man shooting another in the face because he is drunk on alcohol or a man shooting another in the face because he is drunk on a jealous rage are BOTH indicative of being quite distant from The Truth or Awareness.

thats not what we were discussing, you said a drunk driver. the difference is a case can be made that a man shooting another intended to harm him, while a drunk driver may simply have been trying to get home. the justice system recognizes this and thus has seperate charges.


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Re: evil [Re: Icelander]
    #5586205 - 05/03/06 03:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Come one people, the parts of common moral code that you don't like are religious opression, and the parts you do like are "truth of awareness".

What's the difference between preventing someone to piss in public places and preventing someone to kill? Both are just two rules. Some people even get more angry about the first rule.
It's very relative. Its our fear that makes killing worse, because naturally we are afraid of dieing.

This truth of awareness comes from where? Nature? Nature is brutal and competitive. God? Well obviously nobody believes in such a thing.
So where does it come from? Our own wishes and desires perhapse?


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Re: evil [Re: Deviate]
    #5586228 - 05/03/06 03:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Someone mentioned unconcious intent, and another mentioned selfishy acts.I have been reading The Interpretation of Dreams by Sigmund Freud, and he said that a dream is a wish fulfilment, even if you dreamt of killing an old man in his backyard, he continues to talk about distortions in dreams, that there are two 'forces' acting on dream material, the wish and a filter, a sort of cencorship. What I get from your day dream is that you simply wish for peace in your nature spot, and killing the man is the fullfilment of that wish. purely selfish not evil not good, like said before me.

Unconcious intent or not, it does not matter, it simply means that "you" were not aware of your intent, but its still yours. And as an adult I believe it is your responsability to come in touch with your unconciousness, to know your true latent desiers and to confront them head on. Thats the problem alot of times nowadays, people are discouriged from finding themselves, nobody knows what they really wish for.

You did not "want" to kill him, you just wished for peace in nature, to be alone for that time, and he does not understand that so he want s to give you compony, to "save" you from yourself. He does not want you to know yourself wether or not he knows it. Its unconcious for him, his fault.


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Re: evil [Re: Deviate]
    #5586299 - 05/03/06 03:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

thats not what we were discussing, you said a drunk driver. the difference is a case can be made that a man shooting another intended to harm him, while a drunk driver may simply have been trying to get home. the justice system recognizes this and thus has seperate charges.

The justice system is wrong. Get it? That driver knew that driving drunk was dangerous and could cause death and choose to ignore it for his selfish reasons. He's a fucking murderer no matter what our ignorant justice system says. Most of the judges are probably drunks.


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Re: evil [Re: Icelander]
    #5586305 - 05/03/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Yes, lovely sporetacus, once again you are correct. :heart:




explain. how is what he says any less of a subjective opinion then what i said? are you honestly saying that if someone accidentally harms someone due to neglegence (for example they over sleep and dont feed their baby) that there is no difference between that act and the act of intentionally starving your child? i dont see what any "awareness of truth" or whatever has to due with this difference either. you can make the argument that all evil is due to ignorance, sure, but that doesn't negate the above distinction. all plants come from seeds. does that mean there aren't different kinds of plants?


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Re: evil [Re: Deviate]
    #5586328 - 05/03/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)


The justice system is wrong. Get it? That driver knew that driving drunk was dangerous and could cause death and choose to ignore it for his selfish reasons. He's a fucking murderer no matter what our ignorant justice system says. Most of the judges are probably drunks.


you can argue that drunk diving is just as bad although i doubt youll get much agreement, however i still maintain there is a distinction between intending to kill someone and accidentally killing someone due to neglegence.


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OfflineSporetacus
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Re: evil [Re: Deviate]
    #5586358 - 05/03/06 03:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Hmm, who is more evil, a guy who tortures a bird because he is mentally twisted; or the Captain of the Exxon Valdeez who killed hundreds of thousands of birds, sea mammals and fish due to negligence?


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