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OfflineOldWoodSpecter
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    #5578257 - 05/01/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What is evil in your opinion?


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Re: evil [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5578265 - 05/01/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

evil is whatever you precive as wrong or bad or vendictive...its in the eye of the beholder..and yet some things not from teaching feel wrong or give bad vibes so maybe there is an actualy snse of defiitive evil,,,im not sure and will tread lighty on that thought


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Re: evil [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5578484 - 05/01/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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OldWoodSpecter said:
What is evil in your opinion?





One country under god.


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Re: evil [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5578530 - 05/01/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Ultimately evil is subjective and relative. In different situations, the same act could be considered both good and evil. However, in order for society as we know it to function, those who have power must define rules and laws that if broken, constitute evil. Most regimes have become power hungry, it's a shame.


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Re: evil [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5578543 - 05/01/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Evil to me is conscious harm brought against another being. In this sense, only humans are capable of evil.


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Re: evil [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5580485 - 05/02/06 06:26 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The abcense of holyness?


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Re: evil [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5581392 - 05/02/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Primarily, evil is everything that harms oneself.
Everybody will riddle this out in...the smalles group, the family... If the family is 'moraly' healthy, the evils inside the family vanishes. Then evil is everything, which harms the family. This leads to the next group, society. If the society is 'moraly' healthy, the evil inside it vanishes and evil is everything which harms society .. and so on for counties and so on for the whole planet earth and so on...
That's how I see it.


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Re: evil [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5581713 - 05/02/06 03:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Here is what made me ask that question:

A funny thing happened to me one day:

I was walking along one sunny spring day away from the city on the rail tracks enjoying nature around, and there was this old man working in his backyard, and he asked me why I'm alone, then I said, I like being alone, I can't enjoy peace in nature in company of others, then he was all suprized, and started asking me wheather I have a girlfriend, or friends or something to be with, so I just finished the conversation politely and walked away.

As I was walking further, I was thinking how he has infested my church. This place, that part of the rail tracks away from the city, with bushes and trees on both sides is my church, that is where I go to be in peace, to think, to smell nature, to feel the sun etc.
And now this anoying old man is there, and I have to talk to him everytime I see him in his backyard..

So a funny though came over me, I though, gee it would be so nice If I could kill him and clean this place that is holly to me from his presence. So instead of running away from that though, I sort of imagine how it would be, I imagined his corpse there, and peace around because he wouldn't bother me any more. The image felt as calm as that spring sunny day. I didn't feel anger or anything. I felt some kind of bliss, even with the image of his dead body near me.
So I though, is this how dark side feels like? I thought It was all pain and hate and anger, but is it simple indifference?
Is evil when you feel nothing even after murdering someone.

Of course, when I came back, he asked me to sit with him, so I sort of though, he must be a nice man, simply misguided by his social addiction or whatever.

But for maybe one or two minutes I had this emotionless idea of how it would be to kill him, to remove him simply because I don't feel like talking. I felt nothing, just bliss from the sun and the joy of birds singing. And killing him felt like simply redecorating my environment to perfection.
It sort of felt as if he is just a part of nature, like a fallen leaf, he is a part of the cycle, if I kill him, the ground will take him, like it takes a fallen leaf, the sun will shine, the the eternal peace of nature, and warm wind will still be there, undistrubed by even such an act, which is a part of the cycle.

So I though, is that evil? When you harm for no real reason with no emotional reaction (neither remorse nore anger nor satisfaction) ?


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Re: evil [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5581783 - 05/02/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yes. He definitely would think, you are evil, but only, because you haven't shared concepts.
I think, he thought you were right to enjoy nature and he wished to add that you should share your joy with friends, to get the right feeling of 'good' for them too, as he sees the 'communities' part of it, like I described above.
Perhaps you only have to say "They don't enjoy nature", and he would nod sadly and perhaps offer his companionship to you ? :smile:

You know, the devil sees god as 'evil'...


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Re: evil [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5581813 - 05/02/06 03:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Yes. He definitely would think, you are evil, but only, because you haven't shared concepts.
I think, he thought you were right to enjoy nature and he wished to add that you should share your joy with friends, to get the right feeling of 'good' for them too, as he sees the 'communities' part of it, like I described above.
Perhaps you only have to say "They don't enjoy nature", and he would nod sadly and perhaps offer his accompanionship to you ? :smile:

You know, the devil sees god as 'evil'...




But the problem is that there was no problem. I really didn't feel disturbed by that man, I felt indifferent toward him. The notion of killing him was like changing something in the room so that you like your surroundings better, it felt as "heavy" as changing the position of the flower vase in your room, it felt like nothing, like a simple action to make things even better than they are now. I felt happy that day, i felt such peace there, so I though, If I killed him it would be even better, it felt so insignificant, like picking a flower.


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Re: evil [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5581820 - 05/02/06 03:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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So I though, is that evil? When you harm for no real reason with no emotional reaction (neither remorse nore anger nor satisfaction) ?




I have a simple method for determining it. evil spelled in reverse is live. I see evil as anything reversing the life force into its death.

Indifference to it is just cold, unfeeling. What about when another takes extreme pleasure in the act. Thats a whole nother species of it.

Let me ask you wood. What keeps you from acting out the thought? Give it some thought.

What you said about social addiction would make for an interesting topic. That's not to be confused with healthy constructive socializing one can take or leave. Addicts are feeding off the life force of others, like you felt the man doing it to you. Maybe your desire to kill him came from something inherent to squish that sort of evil from out of your paradise.

I doubt he realizes the energy dynamics at play or that he has a conscious intent to suck you down from out of your high. Most who people who do it are not aware of that.

:peace: :heart:


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Re: evil [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5581825 - 05/02/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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So I though, is that evil? When you harm for no real reason with no emotional reaction (neither remorse nore anger nor satisfaction) ?




I have a simple method for determining it. evil spelled in reverse is live. I see evil as anything reversing the life force into its death.

Indifference to it is just cold, unfeeling. What about when another takes extreme pleasure in the act. Thats a whole nother species of it.

Let me ask you wood. What keeps you from acting out the thought? Give it some thought.

What you said about social addiction would make for an interesting topic. That's not to be confused with healthy constructive socializing one can take or leave. Addicts are feeding off the life force of others, like you felt the man doing it to you. Maybe your desire to kill him came from something inherent to squish that sort of evil from out of your paradise.

I doubt he realizes the energy dynamics at play or that he has a conscious intent to suck you down from out of your high. Most people who do it are not aware of that.

:peace: :heart:


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Re: evil [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5581893 - 05/02/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

If you remove something from a room, you are not indifferent to that something and also not to the room.


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Re: evil [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5581928 - 05/02/06 04:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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If you remove something from a room, you are not indifferent to that something and also not to the room.




not indifferent in that way, yes, but I ment being indifferent in the emotional sense.
I did feel a motivation, but it was esthetic, it was not anger or anything human, it was esthetics of my environment.

Sort of like when you are making a game level in some software, they you sort of delete characters if you think it would be better without them. You don't think about who they are, or what their thoughs and feelings are, they are just objects affecting the esthetics of the scene. Sort of like killing someone so they fall down, instead of asking them to move because they are standing in front of your TV.
Not anger, nothing social, nothign human or inhuman, just a wish to see the TV screen.

What made me not do it? Well It's crazy, why would I ever want to kill someone? It was just a though, a dark side though that I wanted to explore.

What I found currious is that it felt as peacefull as extreme love for all life.

Is it possible that extreme evil and extreme light is one and the same feeling and state of mind, which you only came into taking two different paths leading to the same place?


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Re: evil [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5581984 - 05/02/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I understand you. I didn't speak of emotions. I spoke of 'general' harm.
On the one hand: only the creator may smash what he created. No other one may see the caue, why it is created.
On the other hand: you are the 'creator' (big steersman) of your perception and if you don't stand something, and you have the possibility to move away, it is better to do that than to absolutely eleminate this 'unfitting' out of everyones realm.
On the third hand: Perhaps it is something inside you, what doesn't make the man and nature fit into the concept of your 'room' ? So..why not do any harm and just kill the misfitting concept inside yourself ?

But I understand you. It is the >exclusive< experience of nature (without man[kind]) what you strive for. I do the same.

{Sorry, I got drunk now, and will go to bed. Goodnight to you european folksman :heart:}


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Re: evil [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5582058 - 05/02/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

folksman? :smile: what do you mean by that?


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Re: evil [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5582075 - 05/02/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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But for maybe one or two minutes I had this emotionless idea of how it would be to kill him, to remove him simply because I don't feel like talking. I felt nothing, just bliss from the sun and the joy of birds singing. And killing him felt like simply redecorating my environment to perfection.
It sort of felt as if he is just a part of nature, like a fallen leaf, he is a part of the cycle, if I kill him, the ground will take him, like it takes a fallen leaf, the sun will shine, the the eternal peace of nature, and warm wind will still be there, undistrubed by even such an act, which is a part of the cycle.




i think this is good, it takes a peaceful mind to be able to think about this and not have evil intent, it seems you have good intent even though it would be displayed in a very seemingly bad or negative way...

i duno man


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Re: evil [Re: Icelander]
    #5583148 - 05/02/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Icelander said:
One country under god.




Oh are you in that club? Umm... Al Queada? Is that your club?


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Re: evil [Re: TheGus]
    #5583165 - 05/02/06 09:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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i think this is good, it takes a peaceful mind to be able to think about this and not have evil intent, it seems you have good intent even though it would be displayed in a very seemingly bad or negative way...
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i duno man




I don't think there were any intents at all, "evil" nor good.... 
It was a "selfishly" creative fantasy, with a means to get something he had without the other person in the way of his "picture".... 

Wasn't evil, wasn't good, wasn't healthy, wasn't unhealthy, it just was....    :shrug:


P.S.  Oldwood, I am thinking that if you shared your thoughts on this topic with him, he prolly~ wouldn't "bother" you any more....  :wink:


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Re: evil [Re: justAkid]
    #5583234 - 05/02/06 09:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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justAkid said:
Quote:


Icelander said:
One country under god.




Oh are you in that club?  Umm... Al Queada?  Is that your club?




I never said which country. :tongue: :rolleyes: Your post seems foolish and fearful and I choose the club that you are not in.


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