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OfflineSyle
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Neurotheology
    #5577887 - 05/01/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

http://flockofangels.org/godandthebrain.htm

This is awesome. Hope you enjoy it!


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Re: Neurotheology [Re: Syle]
    #5578667 - 05/01/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'll give it a gander. Why is the word brain in bold?


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Re: Neurotheology [Re: Fospher]
    #5578697 - 05/01/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Fospher said:
I'll give it a gander. Why is the word brain in bold?




It's a trick! Get outta here while yah still can!!!

:smile:

PS: no idea why it's in bold.


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Re: Neurotheology [Re: Syle]
    #5579182 - 05/01/06 09:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)



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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Neurotheology [Re: Icelander]
    #5579544 - 05/01/06 10:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

from the article;
Quote:


"The fact that spiritual experiences can be associated with distinct neural activity does not necessarily mean that such experiences are mere neurological illusions," Newberg insists. "It's no safer to say that spiritual urges and sensations are caused by brain activity than it is to say that the neurological changes through which we experience the pleasure of eating an apple cause the apple to exist." The bottom line, he says, is that "there is no way to determine whether the neurological changes associated with spiritual experience mean that the brain is causing those experiences... or is instead perceiving a spiritual reality."





thats exactly what i thought.


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Re: Neurotheology [Re: BleaK]
    #5580226 - 05/02/06 02:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

u mean.. the brain.. creates all our experience through its circuits pathways and chemicals. holy shit. what a freakin epiphany he had.
i dont know why these seemingly intelligent people waste thier time on trying to explain god.


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Re: Neurotheology [Re: fresh313]
    #5580741 - 05/02/06 08:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Because everybody's trying to prove that they know what's going on. But I believe they never will, nor will we.


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Re: Neurotheology [Re: fresh313]
    #5580788 - 05/02/06 09:14 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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fresh313 said:
u mean.. the brain.. creates all our experience through its circuits pathways and chemicals. holy shit. what a freakin epiphany he had.
i dont know why these seemingly intelligent people waste thier time on trying to explain god.




the excerpt i posted was not saying this.
it was saying there is no way to tell what part of the experience is created by the brain and what part is objective reality.
does the brain create spirituality? or does it tap into it. both maybe?
...maybe..


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Re: Neurotheology [Re: BleaK]
    #5581251 - 05/02/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'm glad you shared that paragraph from it Bleak. Now I want to read the link. Just a few weeks ago in a post I asked people to consider that spirit may be triggering the release of the chemicals that allow for the altered states to perceive it.

Does our brain make chemicals that produce the perception of a chair being there and voila, a chair magically appears to us OR, is the chair there, stimulating what is required of the brain to use the 5 physical senses to perceive it's there?

Why can't a sixth sense also be stimulated in the same way to perceive other realities that may very well be there in another spatial dimension of sorts?

This was related to my questioning drug use to induce altered states of consciousness. I pointed out that I think sometimes people write off profound experiences and insight they have as just having come from the drug.

Thats not how it works. The drugs stimulate the release of our own natural chemicals to produce the altered states of consciousness.

So I asked, why does our body have the ability to make it's own chemicals that induce altered states of conscious perception in the first place? Why did evolution include these chemicals? Was it so we could perceive and commune with a higher order of abstract nature that is just as real?

However, considering this isn't evidence of the Biblical god to me.

What of the origin source/force/intelligence of everything matter and non matter is just pure ENERGY without an Ego?

What if egos allowed for it to be brought into definitives for limited expressions of it to be realized? What if other beings far more advanced in the cosmos developed through the evolution of matter have been playing the Biblical God that seems to have an Ego making it no more mysterious then we are if it gave its neurotic self up in the Bible? What if they have no idea of the origin of the source/force/intelligent energy (nature itself)that breaths life into things any more then we do that remains a mystery?

Humans have been playing God with creating cloned life forms, condemning life forms to prison and death, extending their life, imposing limitations on what others can and can't do as well as run experiments on humans and animals to progress our ability for health and longevity. Why can't other intelligent life forms have been doing that here with humans, playing God that is?

The only difference is that they called themselves ruling God or the gods, and we call them ruling government law makers and enforcers and scientists that make things appear magically to children who have not the knowledge yet to understand how it could be.

Ever see a two year old go nuts looking around a television wondering how the people on the screen fit in there? It must be magical to their simple mental development. Nothing more then the magic of our advancing science and it could have been the same for "miracles" performed back in the day to get the lesser mentally developed humans to believe they were all powerful gods and or god.

They made God a male for peats sake. Why would a man with a penis have come from out of no where requiring a penis and testicles if he hadn't created a woman yet? Gives you an idea of how simple minded people were 2000 years ago compared to know if that made sense to them. The miracles they performed to get people to believe they or it was our God or gods could have just been nothing more of an advanced understanding of quantum mechanics.

My purpose for adding this consideration, which I don't think is that far fetched, is that one can consider that there are other realities we can tap into via or own chemicals that are just as real, without having to automatically conclude that the God of the bible is anything more then a product of evolution then we are and not the actual source/force intelligence all of this could have come from that just is the all that is.

If the consideration goes along with the idea that a primitive human did naturally evolve here first and it was just genetically tweaked along the way, humans still have a sovereign connection to Nature, no different from theirs and with that, we can override their BS just the same as we can change government laws. Its all made up by them and us. Ability to enforce ego made laws (human or ET) requires our support and co-operation just the same.

The laws of nature, physics, quantum mechanics and who knows what else we will discover are another story. Our being a cognitive product of it puts us in an interesting position. We can work with it to make life easier, we have learned we can even defy it like through plane flight with some minimal risks.

Yet look at how ambivalent nature is to our defying it. It provided the means for us to utilize to our own will and yet, we do so at our own risk. Key word is OUR own risk. nature doesn;t force us to build and get into flying machines nor does it force us to commit human error and send them crashing down. WE DO these things of OUR OWN volition and nature is just the unbiased provider and observerof what we do with our free will Nature affords us.

The only thing we ever have to reconcile ourselves with is the laws and forces of Nature itself, not some egotistical being written about in a book.

From my heart, though its clear that I don't believe in biblical God as being anything more then an advanced ET, product of nature too, I do seek to be in a place of peace, balance and harmony because, when nature is in such a place with itself ALL is well and thriving. When nature falls out of balance and harmony with itself, or is put under pressure by other forces blocking it from natural flows, you get the unleashing of powerful and destructive forces.

Its about self reconciliation to me. Reconciling the ego to live and work in harmony and balance with nature and not against IT. (easier said then done, as its a work in progress to do so 24/7)

I didn;t mean to go to off topic. It just seemed this link was turning into a debate about accepting that our brains may be perceiving other realities and not creating them itself, meaning we had to also then believe that the Bible God is the origin of all that is. We don't.

Our proposed ability to perceive and commune with higher orders of nature, through our neurology and its chemicals doesn't have to have a thing to do with bowing down in worship and fear to Egomaniacs from Orion, I mean the Bible god.

:peace: :heart:


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