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SkorpivoMusterion
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The Soul of a Socialist
#5576416 - 05/01/06 05:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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From Dr. Hurd
I recently received a mass mailing from Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, appealing for campaign donations to put the Democrats back in charge of Congress. (Because I am registered to vote as an independent, I receive mail from both parties). Of particular interest, in this form letter, was the following statement:
"They [Republicans] want to repeal the estate tax so they can benefit the 20,000 most wealthy and well-connected Americans in the country and take another $1.5 billion out of the Treasury each week."
This sentence, more than any other I have read or heard from any politician in recent history, summarizes the soul of a socialist. Senator Clinton knows as well as any contemporary politician that the term "socialist" is out of vogue. But if we define a socialist, in this context, as an individual who assumes that all wealth in a society belongs, fundamentally, to the government, and that any of the money citizens are allowed to keep or have is at the behest of the government, then there's no question that this statement was written by a twenty-first century socialist.
Senator Clinton is implying that the U.S. Treasury is somehow "entitled" to its money, and that by keeping more of their earnings--or family inheritance, if that's what it is--individual Americans are somehow stealing unjustly from that Treasury. This is the precise opposite of the thinking behind the founding of the United States in the eighteenth century. In the beginning, the operating premise of the United States was that everyone was entitled to what he owned, and the only kind of illegal ownership would be that of theft, i.e., from one private individual by another (or fraud). The government had no claim on anybody's money, other than to impose justice when someone had been stolen from or defrauded. The U.S. has long since drifted away from that standard as an absolute, but what's interesting about Senator Clinton is that she engages in a complete inversion of the original standard. In her mind, if only subconsciously (though I bet it's not subconscious), all the money belongs to the government. Leave aside the fact that many more than 20,000 people are affected positively by the repeal of the inheritance tax. Leave aside the fact that it's not the government's money in the first place, and that the only people who are entitled to that money are those who earned it or inherited it or had it given to them through any other contractual, voluntary means.
Leave aside that the earning of money has nothing to do with being "well-connected." This statement is also quite revealing. Senator Clinton has lived her entire adult life in the world of politics. She has lived off the taxpayers, and off the pull of being first a major politician's wife, and now a major politician herself, for her entire adult life. The taxpayers, first of Arkansas and later of the entire United States, support her completely.
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Edited by SkorpivoMusterion (05/01/06 05:57 AM)
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SkorpivoMusterion
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.... (She also lives off the voluntary donations of wealthy people, presumably among those she sneers at as "well connected.") She has achieved everything she has so far achieved by connection, pull, political influence and (when operating as a legislator) outright force. She never started or operated a business in her life. She never had to sell anybody anything, other than political power so that she can then, allegedly at least, spread some of the power around to her constituents. She never even held a job in the sense that any kind of employee has ever experienced. She's not the only politician in the country today who rails against "connections" while her whole life has been built on them, but she's one of the less dignified and more well-known examples. And in a few years she might be connected enough to answer to the term "Madam President." Just make sure you're ready for this, before you let it happen.
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dude I cant even read your post with all that gay porn...
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Re: The Soul of a Socialist [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5576595 - 05/01/06 08:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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serious , what are you trying to prove with that?
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Baby_Hitler
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Hitlary's a douche.
That said, I agree with the indians. You can't rightfully "own" real estate. The Earth does not belong to us, we belong to the Earth, etc...
Of course, that means it doesn't belong to the government(s) either.
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Quote:
Leave aside that the earning of money has nothing to do with being "well-connected."
I agree with pretty much everything you said except this ^^
earning money has everything to do with being well-connected.
you could be the smartest, most hardworking person in the world, and if you didn't know the right people, you'd still be broke as a joke.
Edited by DoctorJ (05/01/06 12:24 PM)
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Re: The Soul of a Socialist [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5576709 - 05/01/06 10:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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EquilibriuM said: dude I cant even read your post with all that gay porn...
Its true
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gluke bastid
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SkorpivoMusterion said: Senator Clinton is implying that the U.S. Treasury is somehow "entitled" to its money, and that by keeping more of their earnings--or family inheritance, if that's what it is--individual Americans are somehow stealing unjustly from that Treasury. This is the precise opposite of the thinking behind the founding of the United States in the eighteenth century. In the beginning, the operating premise of the United States was that everyone was entitled to what he owned, and the only kind of illegal ownership would be that of theft, i.e., from one private individual by another (or fraud). The government had no claim on anybody's money, other than to impose justice when someone had been stolen from or defrauded.
I won't argue with you about whether or not Hillary's view is socialist or not, but I will point out that despite the language the founding fathers used in the constitution, they weren't really interested in providing equal opportunities for wealth across the board. Maybe my point is asinine. But think about the fact that back when America was brand new the government and the people who had all the wealth were the same people. Something like 90% of the signers of the constitution were wealthy land owners or lawyers who also held public office. They were protecting their own wealth.
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Re: The Soul of a Socialist [Re: gluke bastid]
#5577135 - 05/01/06 12:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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For real man......time to auto ignore
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Re: The Soul of a Socialist [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#5580647 - 05/02/06 08:07 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: Hitlary's a douche.
That said, I agree with the indians. You can't rightfully "own" real estate. The Earth does not belong to us, we belong to the Earth, etc...
Of course, that means it doesn't belong to the government(s) either.
Amen
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