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Re: dear god [Re: fivepointer]
    #5577358 - 05/01/06 01:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Wow, if I am predetermined saved, I can sin all day long !
Sorry, that only does make sense, if we don't have any clue about g*d.
In your terms: Why would he present his word if it doesn't matter if we follow it or not ? Sadism ?

And now, don't say the saved hold his laws anyways everytime (that is not true) and the others are to be tortured in life, even they are the nicest and goodwillingst persons on earth...


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Re: dear god [Re: dblaney]
    #5577446 - 05/01/06 02:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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dblaney said:
So what happens if He doesn't appear and say "Hey there!"?




then i will be forced to assume that A) There is no conscious god that truly loves me and B) which follows A, that if there is a conscious god that exists, he does not want my soul.

I've spent 21 years wondering and in search of a god. my dad is a protestant pastor. i grew up being taught everything i should believe. I always asked the hard questions that required the response "Only god knows that" or "You should ask god when you get to heaven". I am roughly 1/3 through a normal life span. I am tired of looking for something that very possibly does not exist (ie wasting my life). Nothing I have experienced in my life requires the construct of a god. Therefore, I am doing the only thing I know that will prove to me that there is or isn't a god. I knew about the text about testing god before I posted this thread. I don't believe this is a test. I am not testing god like satan tested jesus in the desert. This is a cry from a hopeless individual that wants to know once and for all if there is a god that loves me.

I find it interesting that so many of you are posting your ways to find god. I never really asked for any comments to this thread. God must have spoken to many of you in some way since you are able to claim "God wants" or "God doesn't" or "God does this". Consider yourselves prophets. I have tried searching out "there" to find god "in here". In my past I have cried in desperation and exasperation for something, anything, to let me know i was not alone. I of course was left more hopeless still.

So this thread here, I post my last, absolutely final ultimatum. If there is a god out there, prove to me today that I can stop saying "If". Prove to me that the first 21 years I've spent on this earth have not been wasted by living life according to an ancient hebrew book of moral codes.

This is the end


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Re: dear god [Re: fivepointer]
    #5577618 - 05/01/06 03:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That the core of false religion is that a man can contribute something to his own salvation, but he can't!

A) So man is helpless.

You must keep this PERFECTLY. But no one can! But Jesus DID! He is the righteousness that God will accept! Only through the imputed righteousness of Christ and atoning blood can a sinner be reconciled to God.

B) Aha! So someone did something and as a result, was saved! And furthermore, you say that anyone can through the righteousness of Christ and atoning blood. How is this not a contradiction to A?


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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5577655 - 05/01/06 03:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I find it interesting that so many of you are posting your ways to find god.

Clearly I don't speak for everyone, but the way I see it, there are many paths, but only one [without a second] Truth. People post what they've learned from their paths in order to help you out on yours. There are valuable words that come from the hearts of many others; it would be folly to brush them aside without at least considering them.

I have tried searching out "there" to find god "in here".

Have you ever seen someone wearing glasses running around madly trying to find their glasses which they thought they lost? Running around trying to find God is just as silly, I think. For if God is other than you, then you've just said that there is something aside from God, which means that he is One with a Second, that there is another being at least as powerful as God. If this is so, then God is not omniscient and omnipotent, which would mean that he isn't God.

There's a quote on a print by Alex Grey I have, it says:

You can never be lost.
When have you ever been apart from Me?
You can never depart and never return,
For we are continuous, indistinguishable.


So to you, Buddha, I would heartily suggest that you get to Know Thyself.


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
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Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln


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Re: dear god [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5577947 - 05/01/06 04:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Wow, if I am predetermined saved, I can sin all day long !
Sorry, that only does make sense, if we don't have any clue about g*d.
In your terms: Why would he present his word if it doesn't matter if we follow it or not ? Sadism ?

And now, don't say the saved hold his laws anyways everytime (that is not true) and the others are to be tortured in life, even they are the nicest and goodwillingst persons on earth...



The converted are made new creations and God writes His laws on their hearts. Although they still sin, sin does not have dominion over them. They will show godly sorrow for sin, because sin will disturb the inner man.

Obedience is a result of the grace that was freely given. Love is the motivation, not fear. A regenerated soul can never lose salvation no matter how many sins are committed. Now if a man claims I am under grace, and then uses this rationality as a license to sin, and sin has dominion over him, then it most likely shows he really was a false professor, and was never regenerated.

Christ's obedience is the only obedience that is acceptable because it is without blemish. This is why personal obedience forms no ground of justification, because it is not perfect.


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Re: dear god [Re: dblaney]
    #5577957 - 05/01/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

B) Aha! So someone did something and as a result, was saved! And furthermore, you say that anyone can through the righteousness of Christ and atoning blood. How is this not a contradiction to A?


Fallen man is helpless, but Jesus is not fallen, He is spotless. He was not born with a fallen nature in the line of Adam. This is why His obedience perfectly obeyed and fulfilled the law and is acceptable.


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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5578051 - 05/01/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I once believed as you did, that what we believe is god can be found in the physical world by revealing visually, but that is not the case. I did not find what I believe is god in a book, I found him in the comfort of a hard time in prayer. You must search within yourself and find what you believe is to be God. My search for god led me to this unbelievable destiny to save mankind but I can't go to jail and humiliate my family.


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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5578470 - 05/01/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Why do you need God so much?


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Re: dear god [Re: Basilides]
    #5578579 - 05/01/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

God is no respector of persons, meaning he will not appear for you just because your ego demands it. this doesn't mean God doesn't love you, it's just not his style. furthermore, giving God a deadline to appease you is putting him to the test.


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Re: dear god [Re: Deviate]
    #5578602 - 05/01/06 07:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It's amazing to me how so many people seem to know gods mind. He never speaks for him/herself and some people here are going to tell us what gods thinking and what his/her motives are.  :rolleyes: :courtjester: Sounds like some ego inflation to me.


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Re: dear god [Re: Deviate]
    #5578611 - 05/01/06 07:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Agreed.

"Thou shalt not tempt thy Lord thy GOD"

It would seem that demanding the Mystery to not be Mysterious is another reasoning of the samsara. I think fearfect knows full well that nothing will happen by the time the rooster crows.


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Re: dear god [Re: Icelander]
    #5578642 - 05/01/06 07:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Icelander said:
It's amazing to me how so many people seem to know gods mind. He never speaks for him/herself and some people here are going to tell us what gods thinking and what his/her motives are.  :rolleyes: :courtjester: Sounds like some ego inflation to me.




exactly what i've been thinking the majority of this thread.  God apparently isn't going to speak to me, but he has no problem letting all these people know that.


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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5578649 - 05/01/06 07:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

why make a thread if you dont want our interpretations?


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Re: dear god [Re: Deviate]
    #5578668 - 05/01/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

He's debating. :wink:


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Re: dear god [Re: Icelander]
    #5579540 - 05/01/06 10:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

5/2/2006 12:00 AM
this marks the day and time that my life begins



thanks for all the input everyone. good luck in your spirituality.



peace


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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5579679 - 05/01/06 11:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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fearfect said:
5/2/2006 12:00 AM
this marks the day and time that my life begins




You aren't going to update that marker every second, are you? That would get tedious... might as well make a script! :lol:

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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5579919 - 05/02/06 12:27 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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fearfect said:
5/2/2006 12:00 AM
this marks the day and time that my life begins



thanks for all the input everyone. good luck in your spirituality.



peace




Hehe...next stop, Politics, Activism, and Law


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Re: dear god [Re: Basilides]
    #5580036 - 05/02/06 01:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Basilides said:
Quote:

fearfect said:
5/2/2006 12:00 AM
this marks the day and time that my life begins



thanks for all the input everyone. good luck in your spirituality.



peace




Hehe...next stop, Politics, Activism, and Law




heh that was my cycle too. turning away from religion, politics, activism, law...and then i started tripping...which reversed things just a bit  :smirk:


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Re: dear god [Re: bobjones]
    #5580087 - 05/02/06 01:13 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I was crossing my fingers that God would come out of the time-space warp for fearfect tonight :tongue:


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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5580208 - 05/02/06 02:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think god responds to threats, but


There is a mathematical pattern behind all existence. Its called the flower of life, metatron's cube, the golden ratio, the fibbonaci sequence.

Also, have you ever wondered why the world isn't a pile of nuclear ash right now? Have you ever wondered where the world came from? If you find a watch in the desert, do you think it just appeared by itself, or was there a watchmaker?


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