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Offlineblaze2
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Re: dear god [Re: Basilides]
    #5576158 - 05/01/06 01:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Dont you understand that God has already given you all the signs hes going to. The next time God shows himself you will not need to be told. it will be after the apocolypse.

Just because God can do something doesnt mean he will. God doesnt want to save you, God wants you to save yourself.

THe "natural laws" can explain everything huh? Who set those laws man? For what reason are they in perfect balance? Ask any scientist, if you were to change any of the 4 forces, Electricity, gravity, magnetism and Nuclear by even teh smallest bit everything in our reality is thrown into chaos. Why out of all the infinite possible arrangements did our universe take the one perfectly balanced?

I like that you want to believe in him man I was there too. only 2 years ago did I start believing before that i was an agnostic. You want to save yourself. You dont need God to do it for you, You can wait and wait and wait, but in the end you have to take the step yourself.

I'll give you a book recommendation though. "Siddhartha" by Herman Hesse. Its about the first budda, and his spirtual journey. Its very well written if nothing else man, and the guy won a Nobel prize so you know hes good. Peace

Blaze2


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OfflineBasilides
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Re: dear god [Re: blaze2]
    #5576174 - 05/01/06 01:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Is that for me or fearfect?


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Re: dear god [Re: Basilides]
    #5576225 - 05/01/06 02:05 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i dont think this is going to work. i tried it when i was a kid and my grandmother told me about God. i wanted God to come down from heaven, show himself and back up what she was saying right then and there or at least give me some kind of sign. when this didnt happen i felt that God didnt exist and i was an atheist for the next 14 years. i was so atheistic that even once i found the spiritual path and received my proof i still refused to interpret my experienes form a theistic standpoint opting for buddhism instead. eventually i realized there was no difference and i had to acknowledge God.


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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5576257 - 05/01/06 02:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think one thing you have to clarify for yourself, is that God isnt always an external entity that can be seen, much less called apon in the idealistic sense (wanting to hear and actually see a supernatural miracle for proof.) Although, the spirit does exsist externally, in every aspect of nature (blaze:thumbup:) Most people, are calling out to the external, hoping for this outside force to change their weaknesses and forgive them. The danger in this is that we look to things that are not true relations of what we should percieve God as. I most certainly do not judge your need to find assurance, to have a certainty, to have a direction in somthing, indefinately. I get angrey with it all very often. My confusion and helplessness, but I have faith and this sustains me while I live. I can tell already, that right now you are not ready to know God, nor am I (worthy anyone?). The moment will come somday, but not through any random thoughts from an obscure forum or to appease your need to be convinced. God will not answer to you, I've learned this, he is not our servant.


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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5576409 - 05/01/06 05:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Try a direct contact through private prayer and meditation, absolutely opening your heart, with all your hopes and sorrows and offer your will in his goodwilling hand. Chances are high that he will reveal over time to you. But it's not a matter of test or prove, it's a matter of honesty and that will take time. Once it/she/he shows you the way you can recognize it/her/him, you can more focus your awareness on this aspect, becoming more into 'contact' and interacting.
Psychoactive substances (like meditation) are a good way, too, to look behind ones ego, which barriers the way to g*d.
IMHO


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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5576427 - 05/01/06 06:00 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

the path to god for me was/is love.
relax, take your time, find love in your life, and god will make himself known to you.  :heart:


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Re: dear god [Re: bobjones]
    #5576521 - 05/01/06 07:53 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

none of you people understand. I am not looking to find god after or during some huge emotional ordeal.

So many of you claim to know what god wants or is doing for me.

If the biblical god loves me, he will not cast away my last cry for help.

I have very little reason to pursue the search for a god beyond this.

Again I am not interested in "feeling" him in nature or anywhere else.

For me to believe he is real, he must talk to me.

There is absolutely no reason for me to spend my entire life chasing some pipe dream that might not even exist! That is all.

thanks for the input


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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5576524 - 05/01/06 07:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

one last time, I reiterate: I can not search for a god that I do not know is real. If he will show himself to me ONLY after I have convinced myself of his reality, then he is condemning me to hell.


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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5576567 - 05/01/06 08:27 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Then I don't hope, you will experience a near death experience today. Or should I ?
Good luck.


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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5576581 - 05/01/06 08:39 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Dear fearfect:

I kind of understand what you mean. I went on a whole thing about does he exist or not, but the one thing I did find is that it is up to you to find the answer yourself. For me I beleive that there is one god(no matter what you call him or her) and all he wants from us is to love and help each other. As for the bible here is somethings for you to think about, it has been rewritten over 200 times and each time it has been altered to affect a certain why to fit those times. I am not here to offend and if I do I am sorry but if you do a theoligical study my friend you find this stuff out(theoligical means all religous groups not just one). Do I beleive in Jesus, to the point that he was a man and the son of God in the same way we are children of God. I believe he was a profit just like bubba, mahamad, and others who pretty much preached the same thing love and kindness. I think I know the emptiness you might be feeling(not saying I do, but I might) at answering this question. It was a long difficult road and scary as hell at times(pardon the pun it wasn`t ment to be that way). You alone will have to search your heart and mind and come up with your own idea, just remember of all the religions that are out there they all pretty much say the same thing love kindness and forgivness(and I do know how hard it is to beleive when there is so much bad going on in the world today). I did not wwrite this to flame any fires or start any, I hope that it might help if so good if not then keep searching friend, dont ever give up in this harsh world. I am sorry if I offended anyone, but this is how I beleive and everyone has thier beliefs


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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5576594 - 05/01/06 08:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

fearfect said:
none of you people understand.  I am not looking to find god after or during some huge emotional ordeal. 

So many of you claim to know what god wants or is doing for me.

If the biblical god loves me, he will not cast away my last cry for help.

I have very little reason to pursue the search for a god beyond this.

Again I am not interested in "feeling" him in nature or anywhere else.

For me to believe he is real, he must talk to me.

There is absolutely no reason for me to spend my entire life chasing some pipe dream that might not even exist!  That is all.

thanks for the input




There is no god going to talk to you dude. There, now you don't need to believe he's real. So now you can get on with your life.  :rolleyes:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Invisibledblaney
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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5576717 - 05/01/06 10:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

If there is a one entity god out there, he should make himself known to me by midnight tonight.

If the biblical god loves me, he will not cast away my last cry for help.

Deuteronomy 6:16 "You shall not put the LORD, your God, to the test." if you're going to follow the Bible literally, might as well observe all of it, eh?

With the way my brain works, it will not allow me to accept the belief in something that I cannot witness first hand.

Good, then don't believe in something you cannot witness. But at least ask yourself this: what is it that is doing the witnessing? *COUGH*GOD*COUGH*

I NEED a conscious god to tell me himself!

God can be likened to consciousness itself!


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"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
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Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln


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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5576729 - 05/01/06 10:16 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It takes much coaxing for god to break the silence. Be steadfast in your meditation and study of spiritual texts(the vedas most importantly) along with the practice of bhramacharya and you will find what you're looking for.


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Re: dear god [Re: Cherk]
    #5576743 - 05/01/06 10:22 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The only way you'll going to find god is if you look for him out there..
and by looking for him out there, you'll find him within yourself.


lol, I still kick ass in this cryptic talk :laugh:


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Re: dear god [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5577140 - 05/01/06 12:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

OldWoodSpecter said:
The only way you'll going to find god is if you look for him out there..
and by looking for him out there, you'll find him within yourself.


lol, I still kick ass in this cryptic talk :laugh:




ROFL
thanks :wink:
if god is too good for me to be tested and not do this one thing for me, then i guess we'll never be friends? :shrug:


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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5577163 - 05/01/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Or perhaps His eye is on the sparrow, and not on the Shroomery?  :wink:


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Re: dear god [Re: Veritas]
    #5577173 - 05/01/06 12:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

T minus 10 hours


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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5577184 - 05/01/06 12:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Have you seen "Bruce Almighty"?  It's gotta be tough keeping up with all the requests.  :grin:


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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5577217 - 05/01/06 12:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

So what happens if He doesn't appear and say "Hey there!"?


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"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
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Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln


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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5577271 - 05/01/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Only sinners are saved. Sinners are those who have been convicted of sin, righteousness and judgment by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit comes like the wind to those who God has determined to deliver from the just punishment they so rightly deserve. The Spirit is like the wind, and it comes when it wills to whom He wills. Contrary to popular opinion God loves all those who He has willed to save, and no others. If a person is damned, God does not love that person. Each one that God loves, He saves. What makes the difference between damned and saved? Is there something better in one person, and not in another? NO WAY! All are worthy to be damned, the only difference is God's sovereign grace alone.

The testimony of God is this, that all are spiritually dead, that all are ignorant of God's righteousness. That the core of false religion is that a man can contribute something to his own salvation, but he can't!

God's law is inflexible, without mercy, unbending, can not be broken. Every person is under the law and this will be righteously applied and justice will be carried out. Now in order to deliver a sinner from the law, the demands of the law must be satisfied. Christ had to come under the law, and the sins of His people were imputed to His account. He had to suffer the wrath of God for those sins. This is the only way for God to remain just and at the same time justifier. God can not show mercy at the expense of His righteousness.

The way God is revealed is not by some vision or sign, but by the truth of the Word, applied by the Holy Spirit. God's love is revealed in that sinners that should only receive wrath are shown unconditional love.

The law is summed up in this:
Matthew 22:36-39
Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

You must keep this PERFECTLY. But no one can! But Jesus DID! He is the righteousness that God will accept! Only through the imputed righteousness of Christ and atoning blood can a sinner be reconciled to God.


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