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Invisiblefearfect
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dear god
    #5575929 - 05/01/06 12:00 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

the christian god made humans to worship him. the sole purpose of humans in this life and in the next is to worship their creator. there are many ways to worship. the christian god decided to make himself seperate from his creation; to give no undeniable evidence that he is right here. he will not communicate with us directly. however, even though he does not give us undeniable proof that he is here, that he made us, and and that he loves us, he expects us to believe he is and does through the word of mouth of other humans who claim to have been important enough to communicate directly with this god. if you are unable to convince the logic center (or ALU hehe) in your brain that there really is a god because you can "feel" him or you trust the writers of the bible to be telling the truth, or out of simple fear of the consequences, then this god will banish you to eternal suffering. period.

I have been lied too all my life by many people. Humans lie. It is impossible for me to know if the people thousands of years ago were lying, if it was just a big fairy tale they liked to translate, or if it was the truth.

So here, GOD, is your final chance to win my soul. This is the last stop for you in the short existence of my life. I want you to reveal yourself to me NOW or never. as of 5/2/2006 (central) I will give up on the pursuit of any possible diety and live life according to my own moral code and how I think a godless society should live.

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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5575938 - 05/01/06 12:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

With an attitude like that, you might as well be pure fire trying to penetrate water. :shrug:


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Re: dear god [Re: Basilides]
    #5575957 - 05/01/06 12:10 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not sure what you're talking about. This is an honest attempt for me to understand what you believe. If there is a god and he is out there, I simply want him to tell me personally that he is there and that he loves me. I don't want someone from thousands of years ago to do god's job for me.

personally, I don't think I'm asking a whole lot.


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Re: dear god [Re: Basilides]
    #5575958 - 05/01/06 12:10 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

you know... fire CAN penetrate and burn underwater...


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Re: dear god [Re: DICK]
    #5575967 - 05/01/06 12:14 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I was thinking of natural fires, not fuel fires


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Re: dear god [Re: Basilides]
    #5575970 - 05/01/06 12:17 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

getting off topic but lava coming from the earth's mantle under the ocean definitely burns things down there.

hawaii is an example of fire penetrating through water.


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Re: dear god [Re: Basilides]
    #5575976 - 05/01/06 12:19 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

THe "christian" God is teh same God of the Jews, and the Muslims. Stop making it one way or the highway. God wants you to love him and others, even if they lie. God made the good, and teh bad. He also gave us free will. You can choose to believe what you want, good or bad. Thats your privelidge as being a human. Do you want to be good or are you looking for a clear conscience while doing evil? Somehow I doubt that the latter since you are lookign for God in teh first place.

Dont look for God in churches or as a big bearded guy in teh sky. Look for him where he told you to.

"lift a stone and you will find me, turn a leaf and I am there."

Nature buddy, spend some time in nature away from all of mankinds idiocy and let God's creation speak for itself.

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Re: dear god [Re: blaze2]
    #5575994 - 05/01/06 12:24 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i don't think you really understand what i'm asking.

I am unable to convince myself that the writers of the bible were telling the complete truth. With the way my brain works, it will not allow me to accept the belief in something that I cannot witness first hand. I am "Thomas" in a sense.

If you are able to see god in biology or the laws of nature or math or whatever, then good for you. I can't. I need whatever creator is out there to tell me personally.

Seriously, am I asking so much guys?


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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5575995 - 05/01/06 12:25 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

fearfect said:
I'm not sure what you're talking about. This is an honest attempt for me to understand what you believe. If there is a god and he is out there, I simply want him to tell me personally that he is there and that he loves me. I don't want someone from thousands of years ago to do god's job for me.

personally, I don't think I'm asking a whole lot.




Why do you need to understand what other people believe? Your search should be between you and God alone if you are sincere in knowing Her.


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Re: dear god [Re: Basilides]
    #5576002 - 05/01/06 12:27 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I was referencing your belief in a god, whatever gender "it" may be.


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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5576056 - 05/01/06 12:53 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well, my philosophy is Christian Gnostic.

I believe in a golden rule: that Mystery precedes physics, and that the Ultimate Reality that sustains existence itself is God - Allah - Brahman, whatever the Logos (the aspect of the Divine Reality that lives in people) might be referred to by various traditions and cultures.

I do not believe that Jesus of Nazareth was a historically real person, but rather a perpetual symbol, a pure idea constructed by early Jewish mystics. The pure idea that is Jesus is that of a man whose Awareness of the Source of Being, God, was perfected.

I believe that becoming God is the goal of every spark of Consciousness, to return to its Source, its original state of simplicity in the Fullness of God. I do not believe in Heaven or Hell, for God is neither a hedonist nor sadist. The wages of ignorance of God is the cycle of death and rebirth. I believe all Consciousness eventually returns to God. If the spirit is unable to absorb the experiences of one host, it will rebirth in form to give it another attempt, and the spirit spark wallows in this cycle until it finds a host that allows it to completely live within them. As Paul said, "I live but I live not, Christ lives in me." Allowing God to live within us - to effectively become God, is the only way (what I call the spiritual method) to survive physical death. While the wages of ignorance of the Source is death and rebirth, the fruits of Liberation is eternal unity/glory with God, the Fullness of God, where all that is aware is aware of Itself, where every spark of consciousness becomes One Consciousness, in pure simplicity, in Pure Love and Compassion.


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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5576067 - 05/01/06 12:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Have you ever heard the story about teh man in a flood?

Theres this guy who is sitting on the roof of his house stranded after a flood. A guy comes by on a boat, "hey man, need a lift?" No says the man, "god will save me". Then a guy in a helicopter comes by "hey need help sir?", no says the man "god will save me." Then no one else comes and the man is alone and dieing adn he says "God why didnt you save me?" and God says, "I sent you a helicopter and a boat you refused"

Thats not the way I heard it but I couldnt quite remember what he sent anyways its the same thing. God gives you signs everyday, teh squirell running across the road, the sound of birds singing, the wind through the trees. Its not His fault if you dont take the signs he gives you. They will always be there though waiting for you to see them. Peace

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Re: dear god [Re: Basilides]
    #5576076 - 05/01/06 01:00 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Right now I am burning through different theories trying to find the truth. If there is a one entity god out there, he should make himself known to me by midnight tonight. If not, then I suppose I will have to search other possibilities such as an unconscious god. The path to self Ascension or reaching Christ Consciousness is probably the next path I'll explore.


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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5576080 - 05/01/06 01:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Ultimatums are bad karma


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Re: dear god [Re: blaze2]
    #5576083 - 05/01/06 01:04 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

blaze2 said:
Have you ever heard the story about teh man in a flood?

Theres this guy who is sitting on the roof of his house stranded after a flood. A guy comes by on a boat, "hey man, need a lift?" No says the man, "god will save me". Then a guy in a helicopter comes by "hey need help sir?", no says the man "god will save me." Then no one else comes and the man is alone and dieing adn he says "God why didnt you save me?" and God says, "I sent you a helicopter and a boat you refused"

Thats not the way I heard it but I couldnt quite remember what he sent anyways its the same thing. God gives you signs everyday, teh squirell running across the road, the sound of birds singing, the wind through the trees. Its not His fault if you dont take the signs he gives you. They will always be there though waiting for you to see them. Peace

blaze2




It is impossible for me to make this connection! It is too far fetched for me to assume that things that I can explain via natural laws, physical properties or mere coincidence are the work of something greater!

I NEED a conscious god to tell me himself!


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Re: dear god [Re: Basilides]
    #5576090 - 05/01/06 01:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Wouldn't the potentially everlasting damnation of my soul be worth risking bad karma? I am begging whatever conscious god is out there to save me by making himself known in an undeniable fashion!


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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5576099 - 05/01/06 01:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I HAVE to believe that if there is a god out there that loves me and wants the best for me and my soul, that he (or her) WILL do this for me. His (or her) inaction in this case is denying his (or her) love for me by denying my cry for help and damning me forever!


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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5576100 - 05/01/06 01:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

God is not a sadist. God is like a gentle lamb. Would a gentle lamb torture you? No. If you are unable to touch God in one life time, He will recycle you and give you another chance. And another. And another.

Hell is not a literal reality.


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Re: dear god [Re: Basilides]
    #5576110 - 05/01/06 01:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Like you said, I'm not interested in your religion. This is between me and god. What you are describing is an unconscious god and that is totally irrelevant in my present case. I might explore what you are talking about in the future if today is unrevealing.


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Re: dear god [Re: fearfect]
    #5576116 - 05/01/06 01:14 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well, good luck on your search. Do not stop seeking. There is nothing concealed that won't be revealed.

Peace.


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