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Re: creation science [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5578247 - 05/01/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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right, and for that to happen it would take the moon to be stationary at a certain point and increase its pull exponentially greater than now.




surely you can come up with more plausable scenarios


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Re: creation science [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5578275 - 05/01/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

for 30,000 feet of water to stay elevated in one spot? not really.


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Re: creation science [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5578287 - 05/01/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Why 30 000 feet?


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Re: creation science [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5578406 - 05/01/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

ok, take whatever number sounds reasonable to you, then apply some logical explanation for why that height of water would possibly remain in one area, and why it wouldn't spread out evenly.

Maybe back then, water had triple its viscocity.... thats a good explanation. yeah.


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Re: creation science [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5578438 - 05/01/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

how about we all just ask god when we get to heaven what really happened


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Re: creation science [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5578442 - 05/01/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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ok, take whatever number sounds reasonable to you, then apply some logical explanation for why that height of water would possibly remain in one area, and why it wouldn't spread out evenly.

Maybe back then, water had triple its viscocity.... thats a good explanation. yeah.




Well saying it didn't happen isn't helping to solve it. The flood was mentioned in more sources that just Bible.

It is typical of modern science to answer to those questions which it doesn't have answers with "I didn't happen" or "It's all in your head"

Its' because modern scientists are rushing to answer all questions. It's like they are thinking, lets get it over with, I'm tired with questions, lets answer everything with what knowledge we have now so we can go home..

Every myth is a distortion of some reality. Some myths were proven some are still in question, but nobody ever proved that a single myth was a figment of someones imagination.

Those people, who were writing the bible we inspired by something, something was going on there at the time, otherwise they wouldn't kill people for not remembering the stories correctly, they must have thought the stories were important. It wasn't entertainment, it was human interpretation of some events.

Saying that everything in every religious text ever writen is a lie is illogical, because there is just no motif for so many lies on one place.


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Re: creation science [Re: fearfect]
    #5578452 - 05/01/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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how about we all just ask god when we get to heaven what really happened




That must be the smartest thing said in this thread, regardless of wheather it was sarcasm or a honest statement (it works both ways)


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Re: creation science [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5578478 - 05/01/06 07:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Im not saying the flood didn't happen.

Im just wondering how you could justifiably claim that "well, the flood only happened in this sector of the earth, and happened to stay at a phenomenal level for X amount of days".


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Re: creation science [Re: fearfect]
    #5578479 - 05/01/06 07:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The creation versus evolution debate is so 1990's..


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Re: creation science [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5578513 - 05/01/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Im not saying the flood didn't happen.

Im just wondering how you could justifiably claim that "well, the flood only happened in this sector of the earth, and happened to stay at a phenomenal level for X amount of days".




Well I'm not suggesting that It just floated there, mesopotamia is a valley connected with persian gulf.
The Bible mentions rain. There are two great rivers in mesopotamia, rivers tend to cause floods, sometimes you get 4 meters of watter for just a little flood around rivers covering entire houses that happens every year almost. It happened this year too in many parts of Europe.
I imagine a "great" affecting an entire region could cause catastrophic raise in watter level around rivers.

And I'm not suggesting the watter just stayed there, but constant rain could keep it on a steady level even though it was constantly being drained into the persian gulf. When the rain stoped, it would drain slowly into the ocean.

If we are going to talk about gods, If I were a god, I'd cause a heavy climatic disorder in that region. Considering the geography of that region, it would take only a fraction of water that is on earth (or even in the atmosphere) to flood that region

http://www.colorado.edu/geography/courses/geog_1982_s05/mesopotamia.jpg

If most of the advanced civilisation of that time was concentrated in mesopotamia, such a flood would literally result in destruction of human civilisation, and all that would be left would be small nomad tribes around the world.


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Re: creation science [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5579144 - 05/01/06 09:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

constant rain could keep it on a steady level even though it was constantly being drained into the persian gulf

Mesopotamia is surrounded by high terrain, including mountains a few hundred kilometers to the north that range upwards of 4000 meters high.

Heavy rain might flood the Tigris/Euphrates flood plane but not the nearby higher land.

I don't buy the 'local rain flood' explanation.


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Re: creation science [Re: Diploid]
    #5581307 - 05/02/06 12:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Somewhere I heard about a new discovery, that huge amounts of water are stored somewhere in the upper athmosphere. I did a quick google, but didn't find that, damned. I will try again.


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Re: creation science [Re: fearfect]
    #5582003 - 05/02/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Creation science...a true oxymoron...


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Re: creation science [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5582022 - 05/02/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:lol:  I already said that.


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Re: creation science [Re: Veritas]
    #5582041 - 05/02/06 04:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I didn't read the whole thread....you are welcome to full credit.


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Re: creation science [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5582067 - 05/02/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Creation science...a true oxymoron...




assuming the idea of creationism is true, wouldn't you want to build a science around it to describe it, analise it?

Does that mean, if such an idea is true we should abandon science and stop trying to understand the act of creation?


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Re: creation science [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5582070 - 05/02/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Nah, I cut up my credit cards years ago, I don't want any more credit. :grin:


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Re: creation science [Re: Veritas]
    #5582078 - 05/02/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"assuming the idea of creationism is true"

I never assume.


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Re: creation science [Re: Veritas]
    #5582083 - 05/02/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

...maybe, but the interest rate is really low...


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Re: creation science [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5582092 - 05/02/06 04:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Are you saying that you're not interested in what I posted?  :wink:


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