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"The day without illigal immigrants"
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This whole thing is bullshit. This is supposed to show America the "economic mucle" illigal imigrants have. The thing is illigal immigrant arn't the only ones doing it, they are pulling everyone they can get to do this protest.
I think this is going to end up a whole lot worse than when it started, it is going to backfire into their face and piss way to many people off.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Stonerguy]
#5575503 - 04/30/06 09:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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*illegal

All the mexicans I work with are using this as an excuse to get hammered tonight .. I don't know if they're actually marching or anything..
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Boom]
#5575542 - 04/30/06 09:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's mexican ditch day. no work, no school, no bills to pay.
24 hours to do whatever the fuck you want and nothing you dont feel like doing; a taste of the modern american dream.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Boom]
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This reminds me of those Dead shows where so many people bum-rushed the show. You remember, the ones where fences and platforms collapsed on people? Same type of thing. Buncha people getting together to rationalize the wrong thing into the right thing.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: knowhereman]
#5575548 - 04/30/06 09:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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knowhereman said: 24 hours to do whatever the fuck you want and nothing you dont feel like doing; a taste of the modern american dream.
sounds like cinco de mayo.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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i disagree. this is actually going to be one of the largest demonstations on american soil since the 1970's
im sure that you would agree with a few of the things that they are protesting. for one, all of you that have a problem with immigrants draining our publicly funded programs?
well congress is trying to make it a felony to be here illegally, which would end up with us jailing the illegal immigrants at $40,000 a YEAR per PERSON before we deport them...
do you have a problem with this? i imagine that you would, are you protesting it? no.... hmmmm well these illegal immigrants are more american than you or I, so think about THAT
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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knowhereman said: 24 hours to do whatever the fuck you want and nothing you dont feel like doing; a taste of the modern american dream.
sounds like cinco de mayo.
Well since these days aren't so far apart why not take the whole week of?
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5575564 - 04/30/06 09:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Did you know............. Mexicans shit in the toliet and then wipe their ass and then toss the shitty paper on the floor or in a box if your lucky ?
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Fucknuckle]
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yeah its because mexican sewers cant handle the impact of the paper, i did it for 7 months when i lived in mexico...
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: ZippoZ]
#5575574 - 04/30/06 10:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes but they do it IN AMERICA
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Fucknuckle]
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where?????
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: ZippoZ]
#5575581 - 04/30/06 10:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have been helping a friend out in las vegas with some problems at his plastics manufacturing plant and them mexicans are turning the bathroom into a bio hazzard
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: ZippoZ]
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Im not saying that I agree or dissagree with what they are protesting for, it is how they are going about it.
Do I think that they all should given amnesty? Hell no, they should have to go through what every other immigrant had to go through Also don't pull out that bullshit "So you are better since you were born on American soil?"
Do I think that they should all be exported/jail? No we need to find somewhere in the middle between amnesty and exportation.
But I whole heartedly agree there needs to be some changes to immigration rules.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Stonerguy]
#5575606 - 04/30/06 10:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think we need to build a 40 foot high wall with automated machine gun towers along the border and send all the ones that are already here to Iraq to fight for the right to be American
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Fucknuckle]
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Walls don't work,ex Great wall of china, berlin wall, Walls of troy, The Atlantic Wall, ect ect.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Stonerguy]
#5575674 - 04/30/06 10:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Walls don't work, mexicans don't work.......it's all coming together now...
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Stonerguy]
#5575678 - 04/30/06 10:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Send them to Iraq! All illegal immigrants found here should be given their green cards "if" they come back from the war.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: TrancedShroom]
#5575755 - 04/30/06 10:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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This whole thing sort of reminds me of a major coke / heroin addiction.
An addict is doing the drugs, and in the end, it seems like its really necessary to have the drugs in order to feel normal. A day off would be bad, and hurt you with withdrawal symptoms.
This whole thing just seems to say "although it was wrong in the first place, now we are here, so you better damn well get used to it"
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Stonerguy]
#5575902 - 04/30/06 11:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Stonerguy said: This whole thing is bullshit. This is supposed to show America the "economic mucle" illigal imigrants have. The thing is illigal immigrant arn't the only ones doing it, they are pulling everyone they can get to do this protest.
I think this is going to end up a whole lot worse than when it started, it is going to backfire into their face and piss way to many people off.
If there is any justice left in the world, this will blow up in their faces and perhaps for once they'll have some humility about their place in a country whose citizenship laws they had no respect for.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Stonerguy]
#5576075 - 05/01/06 01:00 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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are they gonna demand a holiday for it too? WTF stupid ass immigrants.
but you're right though, fucknuckle. i worked with some mexicans that had seriously only been in the U.S. for about 3 or 4 months and these fucking mexicans would go as far as to swab there shitty TP on the walls and smear it around. god damn.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Stonerguy]
#5576190 - 05/01/06 01:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wonder if the illegals are going to boycott the hospital emergency rooms and free clinics as well.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: gregorio]
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if you really think about it, they are accomplishing nothing except complaining. they say they're going to boycott everything today, but im sure they either stocked up yesterday or will make it up by the end of the week.
one day isnt enough to cause any kind of real impact in the economy. they'd need to keep this up for at least a week, or more to even show signs of a hiccup. and as resilient as mexicans are, i dont think they can go a week without the same creature comforts everyone in america has grown used to.
here in atlanta, theyre all marching at the capitol building today. im hoping for some mexican-on-mexican violence. let them take care of themselves.
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My Thoughts on May 1st, 2006 [Re: knowhereman]
#5576583 - 05/01/06 08:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Microcosmatrix said:
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knowhereman said: 24 hours to do whatever the fuck you want and nothing you dont feel like doing; a taste of the modern american dream.
sounds like cinco de mayo.
Well since these days aren't so far apart why not take the whole week of?
WHO'S WITH ME!!?
Haha, awesome. I'll be driving around Los Angeles today.. not by choice.. but by commitment as I've promised to help my grandmother with some things at her new home. Unfortunatley that means I'm probably going to get stuck in some heavy traffic conjestion between the closed streets and the million+ people that are expected to be marching today here. Should be interesting.
> Do I think that they all should given amnesty?
Shoot, this may not be the popular American opinion, but I think they should. Afterall, they are already here, the are here to work, and our national unemployment figures are the lowest they've been in quite some time (around 4% if memory serves). That means that Americans do have enough jobs, so why kick out the immigrants who want to do the jobs other Americans don't? It just doesn't make sense to me. I don't agree with their illegal entry, but softening the blow is their economic impact on our society which is advantageous, in my opinion, due to the types of jobs that most immigrants will take (labor / farming).
Ideally, I'd like to see a four-pronged approach to this matter: - Amnesty for the current lot of immigrants
- Strengthening of our Border Security
- Swift Penalties for Employers found utilizing Illegal Immigrants
- Analysis of new job, population growth, and resultant Changes made to Immigration Policy which would equalize the number of admitted immigrants more closely to number of new jobs available.
> if you really think about it, they are accomplishing nothing except complaining
See it as you will, that's the beauty of this country. Of course, I see that they are accomplishing something - bringing this matter national and even international attention, thereby fostering a political and social debate which is almost always the first step towards change. I think many of you are missing the point about the intentions behind these rallies. It is not about putting a dent in the GDP of the country, but it is about garnering attention to a cause that they feel strongly about, and that they hope to invoke strong feelings in others about. While I don't think that we should have an open border by any means, I do think our immigration policy has failed miserably due to lack of enforcement on the employment end - thereby giving no incentive to hard labor industries to refuse hiring cheap labor. But as stated above, now that these immigrants are here and working, let's just get them in the system so they pay their taxes and continue to support our economy.
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Re: My Thoughts on May 1st, 2006 [Re: geokills]
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Well then, I hope it doesn't rain tomorrow since the grass obviously won't be cut today.
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Re: My Thoughts on May 1st, 2006 [Re: geokills]
#5576629 - 05/01/06 09:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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good point. while they are bringing attention to their cause, the ones i have talked to personally seem to care more about causing discomfort to the legal citizens.
"were gonna shut this town down, holmes!"
i think a large portion of the marchers and participants dont really understand what their leaders are protesting for, theyre just sheep being herded.
what actually pisses me off is that i know 20 years from now, when theyre writing in the textbooks about this movement, these illegal immigrants will be made out to be heroes and compared to the civil rights movement of the 60's. there is however a fundamental difference. blacks were brought here as slaves, the illegals just showed up and started squatting.
it really is a shame how much our textbooks lie by omission and raise kids to think the wrong things about people and hide the truth about the government. Lies My Teacher Told Me, by Loewen is a good read about misinformation in our nation's textbooks.
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Re: My Thoughts on May 1st, 2006 [Re: PurpleKush]
#5576635 - 05/01/06 09:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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did you guys realize that a lot of 'illegals' buy false green cards so they can work here?
they get taxes taken out like every LEGAL citizen but never file a tax return...thats a lot of $$$$ the governments are getting that they never have to give back
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Re: My Thoughts on May 1st, 2006 [Re: goobler]
#5576643 - 05/01/06 09:18 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think a western union tax is in order to cover all the bases
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Re: My Thoughts on May 1st, 2006 [Re: goobler]
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Interesting goobler - I've also noted that there are some "illegals" who voluntarily pay taxes directly to the IRS (apart from any mandatory withholding) even though they are not in the system themselves. This I admire, even though I'm sure it's a very slim minority that are actually doing this.
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while they are bringing attention to their cause, the ones i have talked to personally seem to care more about causing discomfort to the legal citizens.
.. and that is unfortunate. It is that type of behavior that will not further their cause, and will likely serve to instigate greater animosity amongst American citizens who may have been leaning towards supporting them. I have no idea how this will all pan out, but I know where I stand on the core issue, as I outlined above in my "four point plan" - which is more or less my interpretation of Chris Matthew's suggestions from his Hardball program on MSNBC a couple weeks ago .. what can I say? The man is quite intelligent!
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Harmonic_Order]
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Harmonic_Order said: This reminds me of those Dead shows where so many people bum-rushed the show.
I made it in a show like that. No one was hurt though except the ones that got maced.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Stonerguy]
#5576713 - 05/01/06 10:05 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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wow, i never realized how many xenophobes post here! 
national borders are , imo, completely unjustified, ridiculous, and destructive. nobody is an "illegal" immigrant if we are all citizens of earth.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Krishna]
#5576714 - 05/01/06 10:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, I said that yesterday too in some other thread. 
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Krishna]
#5576742 - 05/01/06 10:22 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Amen brotha, I agree fully with that.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Stonerguy]
#5576745 - 05/01/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Deport them and give some fucking jobs back to Americans.
Illegals are nothing but leeches. Slap them with the felony and get them the fuck out.
Also, how hard is it to learn English? It's not like they have to learn Hebrew or Latin.
My great grandparents came here legally. Why can't these 'people'?
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5576747 - 05/01/06 10:25 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think we should send in the national guard with mobile INS processing units and start arresting the ones that are not legal and fucking deporting them.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Fucknuckle]
#5576750 - 05/01/06 10:26 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fucknuckle said: Did you know............. Mexicans shit in the toliet and then wipe their ass and then toss the shitty paper on the floor or in a box if your lucky ?
True
wrong, they shit in buckets.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Krishna]
#5576751 - 05/01/06 10:27 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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> national borders are , imo, completely unjustified
I might agree with you, IF we had one world economy. Unfortunately, our population is segregated into numerous seperate economies, and until we can begin to work together on a global scale, removing all national borders will be destructive to those economies with robust infrastructure and social wellfare programs. If you were to say that "segregated national economies" are destructive to the overall health of the world population on average, then I would agree with you. But with the current socio-political structure of the entire human species, national borders become a necessity in order to preserve different ways of living.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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No, sillies! We were born on the right side of the line! We DESERVE to be rich!
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Adden]
#5576754 - 05/01/06 10:27 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Because not enough immigrants are let in legally. If they could get here legally, they would.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Trav]
#5576757 - 05/01/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Then maybe they don't belong here?
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: geokills]
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if the west wants to use rhetoric about free-trade to open foreign production and resource markets, how can we deny the free movement of labour? so capital & goods can travel freely (ie, allowing the "haves" to get even more), but labour and human resources cannot (forcing the "have-nots" to stay in their place?)
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Adden]
#5576765 - 05/01/06 10:32 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Maybe they do?
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Krishna]
#5576768 - 05/01/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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This world is fucked.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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I totaly fucking agree, this is America. mexicans piss me off as it is, Im cool with mexicans that are legal, and grew up in the us. But you get these fucking mexicans that cant speak english and if they do you still dont understand it, trying to run our fucking country. granit we stoled this peace of shit land form the indians and all that, but its the modern day. millions of illigal mexis get into the us every year by going over the border, and in the underground tunnels, etc. and they want more? they want "ILLIGAL" imigration to be legalized? fuck no. the thing is its going to be so political that the us will either have to do it, or choose to do it. but what I dont understand is, they cant take care of their own fucking country, so they want into ours. you dont see millions of americans trying to get across the border into mexico. and they get benifits and all sorts of shit from the goverment, and they still are greedy bastards, wanting it to be legal. fuck em. I cant drive down my fuckin street without a mexican staring me down. I may be racist in a way, but ive met some cool ass mexicans who were chilled. why you ask, because they were born and raised in america, they wernt no fuckin imports......anyway, I totaly agree with you man, this whole legalize imigration is bullshit.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Adden]
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S_2 said: Deport them and give some fucking jobs back to Americans.
Illegals are nothing but leeches. Slap them with the felony and get them the fuck out.
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As I noted above, American unemployment figures are as low as they have been in a long while. Americans HAVE jobs, if they want them. I would argue that many of those citizens left unemployed in this country, simply have little ambition to get employment. As for illegal's being leeches - in one respect I can understand that position - but on the flipside, these immigrants come here to work, in effect contributing to our economy, and in many cases are taking jobs in which they work (physically) much harder than most Americans do.
Additionally, their willingness to take hard labor jobs for minimal pay actually improves the cost of living and way of life for many Americans. Afterall, illegals have to work, they are not eligeable for wellfare and other government sponsored "leeching" programs that many American citizens take advantage of. Let me clarify that I do not agree with the way they attained entry to our country, but there is little reason to be so hostile towards people who come here to work, for a better life.. because really that's what all of our ancestors have done.
Legalize the current lot of immigrants, continue to take advantage of their willingness to do hard jobs but assimilate them into a system so that they also pay taxes. This is a win-win, because it is simply not practical to deport 12 million people - that will cause more problems than it will solve.
Secondly, we need to improve the fundamental problem here: border security and employer regulation. If employers were getting legal reprecussions for employing illegal immigrants, those jobs would dry up and illegal immigrants would lose the incentive to keep coming here illegally. This is something that should have been done a decade ago - so it is NO surprise that after Regan decalred an amnesty for immigrants, that without fixing the underlying problem, more illegal immigrants will continue to arrive. It's really a no-brainer, and we cannot blame them for taking these jobs.. but we should blame our American employers for allowing them the opportunity and incentive.
Lastly, I think we should increase the legally allotted limit for legal immigrants - as people willing to work these hard jobs for lower costs are an asset to the rest of us who would rather take desk jobs or other careers which don't involve such physical hardship. Of course this must be actively reviewed to ensure that the numbers of allotted immigrants fall in line with the pace of new job growth - but as it stands, these 12 million illegals do have a place in our society, otherwise they wouldn't be here. So why not legitimize their presence, continue to take advantage of their hard work ethic (something too many American's DON'T have), while also gaining additional tax revenue all the while?
Come on people, many of you should be ashamed for being so overtly hostile on a matter so complicated, with little justification for your position. If you do feel justified in your animosity, I would be very interested to hear the reasons behind your position. Don't just say "fuck 'em" without any reason.. that doesn't help your cause.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: inoculatedGreif]
#5576792 - 05/01/06 10:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Did you ask the Mexicans that stare you down everyday if they're legal or illegal?
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: geokills]
#5576797 - 05/01/06 10:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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has anyone heard the spanish version of the Star Spangled Banner they just put out? it's fucking blasphemy. they even changed the words in the middle to say something to the extent of "keep on fighting, even though your chained down." because we sure chained their asses up and drug them over here...
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Adden]
#5576802 - 05/01/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I honestly don't know why you keyboard militia even care.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Krishna]
#5576806 - 05/01/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Krishna said: if the west wants to use rhetoric about free-trade to open foreign production and resource markets, how can we deny the free movement of labour? so capital & goods can travel freely (ie, allowing the "haves" to get even more), but labour and human resources cannot (forcing the "have-nots" to stay in their place?)
If labor populations are allowed to cross borders freely without universal social programs that will offer the same services to all, the system could fall apart. For example: The US in most eyes has a much better regulated social environment and infrastructure for the basic living needs of humans, with respect to Mexico. Therefore, if labor was allowed to move freely, what's to stop so many Mexican's from coming to America, that the Mexican economy begins to dry up - and as a result, would have severely reduced capital and trade to offer other nations?
On the other hand, what your saying could work - as over a long enough time span things should come to equilibrium naturally, depending upon the amount of jobs available in any given region. But this would be a long and hard road - and with the current world structure, something that I do not feel would be possible without a unified world government that could provide protective force for all. It is within the current social/human nature for humans to strive for assets and control.. so without some kind of powerful and unifying force, human corruption would make your suggestion a very difficult solution.
Furthermore, corruption could cause a world government to fail just as readily - and with much worse consequences since the stakes would be so much higher.. and ultimately, we'd probably end up right back where we started. Interesting breed our consciousness is..
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: geokills]
#5576808 - 05/01/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I disagree, im 19 and ive ben trying for more than a year to find a descent job. I know I messed up in the past, and I dont have anywork history as of now. But I still cant find a job worth shit. And I refuse to work at a mcdonalds or some obese place like that. who would they choose, an american with no work history, who will work for 7.00 an hour, or a mexican with no work history who will work for 6.50, or lower even. there being more imigrants, puts more americans out of work. I mean I know how to paint,and mask. a little bit of carpentrty. so I do have personal experiance, but in the eyes of the employer, unless ive worked at a buisness, fast food, etc. than I wont be hired. thats here anyways,in colorado. I dont know about other states. just like afganees, we let them into our country and what do they do? plot against us, why? because their god tells them to kill us, yet our god tells us to love them. but we still allow them into our country. the mexicans we allow in the more suburbanized our nabhorhoods get.example, I live on a descent block, but when I got to a more "getto" nabhorhood you have mexicans that think they own this damn country. when the fact is they shouldnt even be here, but theres nothing we can do about it...
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: geokills]
#5576811 - 05/01/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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geokills, some of the immigrants come here to work hard. most often, the male head of the household while the wife/mother sits at home and craps out a bunch of kids. and i do mean a bunch.
does his economic contribution alone justify our government paying for and taking care of his entire family?
think about how many families are in that exact situation... and some DO intentionally have more children just to get the welfare money. ive seen it with my own eyes in my own neighborhoods.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: geokills]
#5576813 - 05/01/06 10:56 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Therefore, if labor was allowed to move freely, what's to stop so many Mexican's from coming to America, that the Mexican economy begins to dry up - and as a result, would have severely reduced capital and trade to offer other nations?
Well, then we could just absorb Mexico into the United States. It was supposed to be a part of Texas anyway I think.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: inoculatedGreif]
#5576816 - 05/01/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well the mexicans do not refuse to work at McDonalds. Also, I live in Colorado and it's not difficult to find a job. My girlfriend and I were both out of work and it took us less then two weeks to each find a job. Both of us have minimal experience (1 job before these). Neither of us work at food places either.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Trav]
#5576829 - 05/01/06 11:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Realy? see ive aplied at almost all the places that I can get to right now(cars craped out) and I havnt had luck with not one of them. Loveland sucks let me tell you,lol.
-not to mention american women and men are having kids with mexican women/men, their mixing.....
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: inoculatedGreif]
#5576838 - 05/01/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I do live in a more populated area, so there are probably more jobs around me. With that said, are there even any Mexicans in Loveland?
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Trav]
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Trav said: I do live in a more populated area, so there are probably more jobs around me. With that said, are there even any Mexicans in Loveland?
if not im moving there
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: inoculatedGreif]
#5576841 - 05/01/06 11:04 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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inoculatedGreif said: not to mention american women and men are having kids with mexican women/men, their mixing.....
are you being required to mix? Why do you care if they "mix"?
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5576848 - 05/01/06 11:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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lol "their mixing"
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: inoculatedGreif]
#5576853 - 05/01/06 11:08 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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My half brother is half mexican. My mom 'mixed' with a mexican before I was born. Nothing bad came of it at all really either, I do have a cool brother now..
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5576859 - 05/01/06 11:11 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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yep, its funny, I can go about 3 or 4 blocks away and its mexican ville. weve had 4 or 5 mexican familys move into the houses that were for sell on our block. I know were my bro use to live they were the only white people in the apparments.
I dunno, I dont think cross breeding is right, not in humans anyway.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: inoculatedGreif]
#5576861 - 05/01/06 11:11 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I still cant find a job worth shit. And I refuse to work at a mcdonalds or some obese place like that.
You've made your own bed my friend, so you should be able to sleep in it without scapegoating upon someone else. You better believe you can take that job at McDonalds, as McDonalds is a corporation abiding by employment laws, and therefore they will be obligated to pay minimum wage regardless of the person they are hiring. If you are a competent, with average or better intelligence, and are willing to WORK for your money, I have little doubt you'd be able to find a job in this country. Perhaps not in your immediate neighborhood, but people move all the time for employment - even if they live in a portion of the country with little to no immigrants.
> just like afganees
Whoa now, one issue at a time..
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geokills, some of the immigrants come here to work hard. most often, the male head of the household while the wife/mother sits at home and craps out a bunch of kids. and i do mean a bunch.
does his economic contribution alone justify our government paying for and taking care of his entire family?
This is indeed a problem. However, it is only the children that are receiving aid, as the parents would be ineligeable. Nevertheless, there is hypocrasy in this policy and indeed this is probably a negative measure that will provide greater incentive for "leeching" - but still, this will only directly affect the children, who are in essence innocent to begin with.
> Well, then we could just absorb Mexico into the United States.
Hehe, now you're thinkin'!
I think it would be awesome if the entire North American continent was covered through one unified governing body. We could take the best of all worlds.. implement Canada's healthcare structure, the US corporate structure, and Mexico's law regarding the freedom for personal drug use
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: inoculatedGreif]
#5576866 - 05/01/06 11:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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im not saying im against it, it just you have america, and mexico. they start crossbreeding, and its not america. its....americo or somthing like that.lol.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: inoculatedGreif]
#5576867 - 05/01/06 11:13 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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inoculatedGreif said: I dunno, I dont think cross breeding is right, not in humans anyway.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: inoculatedGreif]
#5576869 - 05/01/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I dunno, I dont think cross breeding is right, not in humans anyway.
?? I'd like to see you open a new thread on this matter if you'd like to defend your position. The majority of Americans are of mixed decent.. so I don't know how you can even begin to make such a blanket statement.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: inoculatedGreif]
#5576873 - 05/01/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree to an extent that races exist for a reason just like different color play dough. But you'll never be able to stop a little green from getting mixed in with the blue. So why bother with interfering with human decisions on matters of sex, chemical diet, or any of the other personal choices people make?
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: geokills]
#5576874 - 05/01/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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geokills said: I think it would be awesome if the entire North American continent was covered through one unified governing body. We could take the best of all worlds.. implement Canada's healthcare structure, the US corporate structure, and Mexico's law regarding the freedom for personal drug use
you sir, may have stumbled onto something... not a bad idea. that way, the conessueirs(sp?) could get all the good buds from canada legally, and the commercial shit could all come from mexico
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: PurpleKush]
#5576889 - 05/01/06 11:18 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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O.K. so it's settled then! I guess we need to make a secret organization and steal a presidential election now so we can do all this shit.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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Microcosmatrix said: O.K. so it's settled then! I guess we need to make a secret organization and steal a presidential election now so we can do all this shit.
someone needs to dose george bush with a heavy amount of LSD.
im not really a bush basher, i actually vote republican, but man... that shit would be HILARIOUS!
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: PurpleKush]
#5576912 - 05/01/06 11:25 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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someone needs to dose george bush with a heavy amount of LSD.
That right there would be quite a feat to accomplish. Godspeed.
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im not really a bush basher, i actually vote republican, but man... that shit would be HILARIOUS!
Bush is not a normal Republican.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5576921 - 05/01/06 11:28 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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that bitch from jefferson airplane almost did it to nixon, but the secret service got her out of the white house before she could.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: PurpleKush]
#5576925 - 05/01/06 11:29 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's the problem.. too many things get "almost" done.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: geokills]
#5576938 - 05/01/06 11:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I still cant find a job worth shit. And I refuse to work at a mcdonalds or some obese place like that.
You've made your own bed my friend, so you should be able to sleep in it without scapegoating upon someone else. You better believe you can take that job at McDonalds, as McDonalds is a corporation abiding by employment laws, and therefore they will be obligated to pay minimum wage regardless of the person they are hiring. If you are a competent, with average or better intelligence, and are willing to WORK for your money, I have little doubt you'd be able to find a job in this country. Perhaps not in your immediate neighborhood, but people move all the time for employment - even if they live in a portion of the country with little to no immigrants.
> just like afganees
Whoa now, one issue at a time..
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geokills, some of the immigrants come here to work hard. most often, the male head of the household while the wife/mother sits at home and craps out a bunch of kids. and i do mean a bunch.
does his economic contribution alone justify our government paying for and taking care of his entire family?
This is indeed a problem. However, it is only the children that are receiving aid, as the parents would be ineligeable. Nevertheless, there is hypocrasy in this policy and indeed this is probably a negative measure that will provide greater incentive for "leeching" - but still, this will only directly affect the children, who are in essence innocent to begin with.
> Well, then we could just absorb Mexico into the United States.
Hehe, now you're thinkin'!
I think it would be awesome if the entire North American continent was covered through one unified governing body. We could take the best of all worlds.. implement Canada's healthcare structure, the US corporate structure, and Mexico's law regarding the freedom for personal drug use
See, Im pretty sure if some one gave me a chance Id be an excellent worker. But i was never good at math, so whatever job I get itll have to be little math. I was thinking stocker, but again ive apploed and no luck. my bros trying to get me on as a painter apprentice, but his work keeps saying their not hiring.
I think alot of the reasons I dont realy like mexicans( other than over population) is that my bro when he lived in the appts. a group of em that lived there tried to jump him. that and Ive had mexican freids that stole from me. back when I was in school you had the click of em that thought they were better than the rest.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: inoculatedGreif]
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I think alot of the reasons I dont realy like mexicans( other than over population) is that my bro when he lived in the appts. a group of em that lived there tried to jump him. that and Ive had mexican freids that stole from me. back when I was in school you had the click of em that thought they were better than the rest.
And you will find these same character flaws in every single race of people.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5576960 - 05/01/06 11:38 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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If an unskilled, uneducated mexican outcompetes you for a job, you should take a critical look at your skillset.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: badchad]
#5576973 - 05/01/06 11:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i wish i was still a minor so i could get away with this...
i know a bunch of all spanish churches around here, and i wanted to go in one of their signs (where you put letters up to make a message) and rearrange the words to something like "GET BACK TO WORK"
if i get bored enough, i just might. ill take pictures.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: PurpleKush]
#5576993 - 05/01/06 11:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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hey, im pretty smart and skill just not in math. the last three interviews I had I did good up until the math test. Ive never ben good in math. im excellent at writting and reading. stuff like that.
and i know it could happen with anyother race, but it didnt. it happend by a bunch of mexicans. I mean, their not bad people. their just like us forced to work and live in this messed up world, but some of them are the reason or contribute to the reason that this world is messed up.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: badchad]
#5577036 - 05/01/06 11:56 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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badchad said: If an unskilled, uneducated mexican outcompetes you for a job, you should take a critical look at your skillset.
No Mexican is gonna outcompete me ownin' my own business. Fuck jobs anyway, working for yourself is the way to go. The Mexicans pick the fruit so that I can have cheap milkshakes.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: badchad]
#5577056 - 05/01/06 12:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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badchad said: If an unskilled, uneducated mexican outcompetes you for a job, you should blame affirmative action.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Adden]
#5577177 - 05/01/06 12:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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badchad said: If an unskilled, uneducated mexican outcompetes you for a job, you should blame affirmative action.
I'm reasonably sure that affirmative action does not apply to illegal immigrants.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5577199 - 05/01/06 12:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I still havent been outside... Is the world over yet?
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: danlennon3]
#5577201 - 05/01/06 12:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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hopefully soon!
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: danlennon3]
#5577210 - 05/01/06 12:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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danlennon3 said: I still havent been outside... Is the world over yet?
Why yes, it ended last night at 2:29 A.M. eastern time.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Stonerguy]
#5577352 - 05/01/06 01:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why is it that nobody mentions NAFTA? Ever since that got passed (making the US and Mexico a single economic bloc), poverty levels in Mexico have skyrocketed. Farmers couldn't trade at a fair price all of a sudden, because American farmers (with better technology) could produce more for less, and flooded the Mexican market with cheap crops. Now, the advantage the US has agriculturally is similar to the advantage Mexico has with labor. After Mexican farmland got bought up by US corporations, there emerged a class of landless ex-farmers who had nothing to trade on but their labor. And who needs labor? The US, of course, most of whose citizens are overqualified for such jobs. But the jobs still need to be done. There's tons of Mexican laborers, and they work cheap. Welcome to trade liberalization, ladies and gents. One of many logical conclusions of capitalism.
I say it's a good thing, and I take exception to the notion that Mexicans don't work. Whoever says this has their ethnic stereotypes confused. Blacks are the ones who don't work; Mexicans don't shower. Duh! Asians can't drive, Jews own the media. I mean, if you're going to be a racist, at least be consistent.
That's the problem with old-school Republicans. They're all for free trade, but they want to be racist at the same time. It just doesn't work that way. Sorry. Free trade means open borders, which means any preexisting economic disparity is bound to result in an influx of goods or labor, depending which side of the disparity you are on. If you want a secure border you shouldn't have free trade; you can't have both.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: quillini]
#5577560 - 05/01/06 02:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Interesting perspective regarding the NAFTA. I am not well versed on its impacts as it was implemented before I became politically active - however what you are saying does make sense, and I do agree that to have a truly secure border, the economy must be closed as well. Though this is not to say that I am for such strict design, and would actually prefer it if we, as noted above, formed one nation which would encompass all of North America, and ultimately the World, provided that we could figure out a way to dissuade human corruption and widespread inefficiency. Very tricky business life is, on a finite planet with an ever growing population..
inoculatedGreif: I do understand that we are a product of our environment, and that your perceptions of a specific race have been affected by your experience with members of that race - yet you still acknowledge that you "know it could happen with any other race" - so do you truly believe you are correct for being so quick to single them out, when there are members of every race causing problems which merit an equal amount of concern and impact on their surrounding micro-societies? I hope that you can one day see how unfair it is to pigeonhole a group of people for the actions of a select few, even if those negative actions are more readily apparent in your immediate environment.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: quillini]
#5577571 - 05/01/06 03:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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quillini said: Blacks are the ones who don't work; Mexicans don't shower. Duh! Asians can't drive, Jews own the media. I mean, if you're going to be a racist, at least be consistent.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: geokills]
#5577615 - 05/01/06 03:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Man I'm really torn on this. I visited one of my old high school teachers today, he was depressed as hell. One of his students is an illegal, but she works her fucking ass off. It really isn't her fault that her parents moved here illegally, what could she do? He showed me her school record or whatever and the lowest grade she had was a 95. For the past 3 days he has talked to countless immigration dep. people and even a senator. They all had the same solution "She has to go back to Mexico and start the immigration process." He even offerd to adopt her, but that dosn't work b/c that would only work if she was under 14. If you didn't know getting accepted as a citizen can take as long as 7 years.
I don't know man any decision that we make sounds like we will be biting into a big shit sandwich.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Stonerguy]
#5577631 - 05/01/06 03:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: OJK]
#5577825 - 05/01/06 04:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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how bout a country without illegals....that would be cool.
as i see it, i will be a minority (caucasian) in less than 20 years....which is totally fucked.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: geokills]
#5578040 - 05/01/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey Geokills I can give you several reasons to be pissed off about this issue............reason that justify my position.
I just moved to Las Vegas in August of 2005. I used to live in northern Michigan. So I was never really exposed to the " Mexican problem " I think my opinion will be a good even ground for a comparison between the America without illegals and with.
First.......... Education. I tried to get my daughter enrolled in the local school guess what ? I couldn't there was no room .....WHY ?
The principal of the school had no problem explaining it to me. She had far to many illegal students in her school. The illegal parents have the rights to let there kids go to school. So now I have to drive across town twice a day for my AMERICAN born child to go to school. Bullshit dude Bullshit. I pay taxes for a education etc..... Not taxes for criminals to have rights........I know the kids are not criminals but see the point. Second fact about school I send my child to. They are forcing my child to learn Spanish..... FORCING HER !! She can not graduate without this requirement. This really pisses me off...........why ? There is no requirement for the illegal kids to learn ENGLISH........This is a fact not some crap but FACT. My sister in law lives in El Paso TX..........Get this, the high school her kids go to have a population of 40 % illegal students. They drive in everyday from Mexico and drive home everyday. BUT THE SCHOOL IS REQUIRED TO DO THIS ?????? Now as of this year her kid had his art and music programs cut way back. They lost their football team..........you know why ? Too many students not enough cash.......Seriously what the fuck is wrong with this picture ...............As A PARENT I AM NOT HAPPY. There is more to this but you get the idea.
Second...........Jobs
It was said once in this thread but.........I have been helping a good friend here in Vegas with his plastic molding plant. I am kinda like problem solver in a suit Anyway one problem I see is the fact that he has been thrown into hiring Mexicans because they will work for 6 bucks an hour. He has a handful of Americans that get paid 3 or 4 times more..........I am trying to get him to understand that hiring illegals is illegal..but his financial situation has been built around this huge mistake. Too late he tells me ...........What ever Point is this the jobs these people are taking are forcing our business owners to make mistakes for profit..........a mistake for sure but understandable. Profit is the key in business right ? SO the jobs that would normally be paid a decent wage are being converted to Slave wages. Mexicans are a Slave class ......simple logic really. I think this problem is as serious as the slave problem that Lincoln had to deal with.
I agree this problem is very complex .............
I think it will lead to a Mexican/ American one Continent country. I see no other choice how ever longs or by what ever means it takes.
Since we invade the private rights of counties all over the globe.....................Lets just inform Mexico there are now U. S. Property..................
Anyway............The problem I see in Vegas are far reaching and too numerious to list but..............I never seen any of this shit in Michigan................Or shitty paper in so many bathrooms..........Nasty little fuckers
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Fucknuckle]
#5578166 - 05/01/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Since we invade the private rights of counties all over the globe.....................Lets just inform Mexico there are now U. S. Property..................
The Mexicans would all start partying like crazy and jumping for joy if we did that. We would then have to upgrade their entire country to modern technological and sanitary conditions.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Fucknuckle]
#5578169 - 05/01/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You do make valid points fucknuckle - however if I may..
> Education
Education has been suffering in this country for considerably longer than our "mexican problem" has been an issue. Our government simply doesn't seem to believe that delegating funds towards educating our youth is worth all that much. I realize that this is sidestepping the issue somewhat, but not entirely - as while the influx of immigrants may be contributing to the problem of congestion in our schools, there is also a very real fundamental problem in terms of the priority that education gets in our governments. Can you imagine if the $8 billion we are spending per month on a useless war were being put towards education? We could have one hell of an intelligent populous with plenty of room for all of our kids and then some.. but sometimes political decisions are not made for the common good. As for your having to drive across town to get your kid in school, that is a small price to pay. Your child is not being denied their education, even if you may need to put a little more effort into getting them there.
> They are forcing my child to learn Spanish.....
Consider for one thing, that we have no legally defined national language on our books (ie. the US Code). Therefore, is it not reasonable to teach a language (any language) that may be predominate and/or significant in a given region of our country, states, or cities? If I sent my child to school in "Little Italy" - I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they were forced to learn Italian. Likewise, if you live in an area with a large Spanish-speaking population, your child learning Spanish may indeed be a great asset during their growth and employment years. For that matter, I know that not anywhere close to all schools force children to learn Spanish, even though very many do in fact require adolescents to study at least one foreign language for two years minimum. I think this is a great thing, as learning a new language - any language - will increase your child's brain power as well as open new opportunities in terms of employment in the future.
> the high school her kids go to have a population of 40 % illegal students. > They drive in everyday from Mexico and drive home everyday. > BUT THE SCHOOL IS REQUIRED TO DO THIS ??????
I do not believe schools are required to do that by any means, and in fact are not even supposed to. What I do believe is happening is that these children are virtually "squatting" upon the address of a local resident, thereby attaining entry to the school district. Having grown up myself in a highly prized school district, I am very familiar with students (including friends of mine) who lived up to 35 miles away, yet made an agreement with a local to list their address as the child's permanent address, such that their child would be eligible for the given district. If these students were found out, they would be expelled from the district plain and simple. Unfortunately, due again to the vast underfunding of our education system, there were little resources to go after these "squatters". My point is, this happens all the time - regardless of race - when people want a better education for their kids. If our government would properly allocate money for education resources, I'd be that the school to which you refer in El Paso would quickly clamp down on students whom do not live within the district lines.
> Second...........Jobs > I have been helping a good friend here in Vegas with his plastic molding plant > thrown into hiring Mexicans because they will work for 6 bucks an hour > but his financial situation has been built around this huge mistake. > Too late he tells me ...........
You've in effect made my argument for me. It was your friend's choice to hire these non-documented workers in the first place (and might I add, putting himself at risk in the process). He has probably neglected (at least partially) other methods of making his business more efficient, because it is so much easier to simply hire cheap labor instead of working to improve your production line. This falls into why I am for the amnesty of all current immigrants, as they are already integrated into the system and will then be held to the minimum wage laws that all citizens are, thereby being placed on a level playing field with all other citizen workers. Sure even then, some Americans may not want to work for minimum wage where immigrants will - but that is not the immigrant's problem, they simply have a stronger work ethic than most Americans do.
Fight to raise minimum wage if that is your gripe, but realize that the increased expenditure is going to have a ripple effect, and therefore manifest itself in the products that you yourself consume. Your friend at the plastic molding plant is still going to hire the cheapest labor possible, whether they be illegal immigrants or citizens. If the illegals are given citizenship, then your friend will be required to pay minimum wage, and other Americans will have just as much incentive to take the job as any formerly non-documented worker - since they will both be eligible for the same pay. If the illegals stay illegal, well then other Americans will indeed get the shaft if the non-documented workers are willing to work for less than minimum wage. Just because some Americans don't want to work for minimum wage, again, is not the problem of the immigrants.
> these people are taking are forcing our business owners to make mistakes for profit
It may be an "understandable" mistake, since ultimately we are in a capitalistic society where cash flow and profit are the driving factors. Unfortunately, the responsibility of having made these mistakes still lies completely with the employer. If employers would play by the rules and practice ethical employment practices, this problem would not ever be an issue. Feel free to Blame Greed.
These are just my opinions; I do understand that you are emotionally invested in these arguments and I don't mean to be crass - but I just wanted to present a differing perspective you may not have considered.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: geokills]
#5578186 - 05/01/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I know in SC the schools HAVE to let illigals in. A elementary school not to far away is 47% hispanic with around 50% of them illigal so around 25% of that school are illigal aliens.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: geokills]
#5578263 - 05/01/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I truly appericate you voice and the time you have put to respond to my post............Yes I see your points.....but I think they are very weak applied to my life.
Lets make some excuses for drunk drivers while were at it. I think ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL simple really. I could give you several valid reason while we should just let people drive drunk or several reason while they should not be held responsable for killing my friend last year. Shit they sell beer in every store in America..........But I don't give drunk drivers any excuse.........
Just because this is a great country to better your life I give no excuse to illegal Mexicans. Nore do I give any excuse to my friend for hiring them in the first place..............A job is no reason to break the law.
Fact is there is LEGAL way to become a US citizen.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Fucknuckle]
#5578351 - 05/01/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Interesting about the South Carolina schools requiring admittance for illegals - that indeed seems absolutely ludacris, unless of course you are talking about children who were born here in the US, which grants them automatic citizenship.. but that is a large debate in and of itself.
Fucknuckle, we do agree that illegal is illegal. I certainly do not condone illegal immigration, or a completely open border (that is, unless there is a massive overhaul of world government). It is simply the fact that they have already integrated themselves into our society and economy, that it would be impractical and likely cost more money to attempt to remove them at this point.. and therefore, amnesty and taxation seems like the considerably more streamlined and less invasive policy to take now that we are where we are. Of course, I simultaneously want to see employers and the border regulated, such that we don't just keep handing out the amnesties every twenty years.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Fucknuckle]
#5578389 - 05/01/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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We're all aliens. I know it's been said but it bears repeating.
Me, I consider borders scars on the face of the earth. "This is ours" is just another way of saying "this isn't yours." And while I'm on a rant, national pride is just a way of saying "we're better." How can you be prideful of something you had absolutely no say in?
Last time I checked the planet was still round.
Me, I say let them in. If you can obey the laws and you pay your taxes, please, come.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: splifner180]
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All Animals hold territory in one form or another. Man is no different. I agree we all live on this planet but to deny the fact of territorial instinctive behaviors due to long term survival and the facts of life is very ignorant . And to say " we all share the space, let's all live in harmony " is complete bullshit and we might as well just also deny the fact that humans kill for food............
I think the posters who say these things, are out of touch with what is real just so they can " Feel good " about a dream world that has no real bearing on the real and crule world. Man is a beast who fucks, kills, fights for the best places to find food etc......
That is who we are face it or not. Our DNA dictates that we protect our space. The days of the hippie failed for a reason. The idea that the world is a "one shared place" is way out of touch with what is real.
Nice dream though..one which I at times share.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: splifner180]
#5578693 - 05/01/06 08:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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splifner180 said: Me, I say let them in. If you can obey the laws and you pay your taxes, please, come.
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Where does it end then? If we let them in what about 20 years down the line when there are 24 million illigals wanting to get in?
Also what about welfare? America already has a big problem with this. No not all 12 million will not try to get it, but remember they are starting from the ground up.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Fucknuckle]
#5578818 - 05/01/06 08:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fucknuckle said: All Animals hold territory in one form or another. Man is no different. I agree we all live on this planet but to deny the fact of territorial instinctive behaviors due to long term survival and the facts of life is very ignorant . And to say " we all share the space, let's all live in harmony " is complete bullshit and we might as well just also deny the fact that humans kill for food............
I think the posters who say these things, are out of touch with what is real just so they can " Feel good " about a dream world that has no real bearing on the real and crule world. Man is a beast who fucks, kills, fights for the best places to find food etc......
That is who we are face it or not. Our DNA dictates that we protect our space. The days of the hippie failed for a reason. The idea that the world is a "one shared place" is way out of touch with what is real.
Nice dream though..one which I at times share.
I see how that applies to the individual, to the family, and to the tribe (immediate community one engages communication with on a daily basis) ...............................
But, to the country? Seems more like an illusion, an imaginary creation designed to control masses of people by those who are after power.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5578926 - 05/01/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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My mum manages a computer store that had great sales yesterday.
You see, the mexicans are going to convince us of their power by letting us go a day without their economic input. In order to somehow hurt our business. Of course the fact that they all just stocked up the day before really undermines their point. Not only does it make them look weak, but I'll be damned if it doesn't balance out any damage their whiny selves accomplish today.
The reason this whole thing is a bad idea is because it draws into the light how unbeleivably ungrateful they are. America is not exactly a miserable place to be an illegal immigrant in. Lots of illegal immigrants manage to make a living here. Many have spent a large number of years here without being deported. A number of other countries would not be so forgiving of people who disregarded border laws. For example, if they snuck into russia like they did here, they'd find themselves being sentenced and sent to prison. Yes, russia actually considers it a punishable crime when people break immigration laws.
Here in the U.S. we just put them back into mexico and let them try again. We don't jail them like criminals, despite the fact that they knowingly broke our country's laws.
They have no respect for our government. To them it's an entity from whom they demand things be given to them. They are NOT willing to obey our laws, but they of course expect the laws to protect them. They are not willing to go through the legal process to become a citizen, but they still expect to be treated like citizens.
Many illegal immigrants are people who want to be given something that they weren't willing to earn. Not only that, but a large part of why mexico has become so horrid is because so many quitters leave the country and flee to america when things get tough. Instead of making their own country better they just run away and expect our country to take care of them. Mexico does not want it's citizens to keep flocking away and abandoning their country. America does not want to be flooded with illegal, undocumented immigrants. These people do not have respect for america, and they don't have respect for mexico. Their behavior causes far more harm than good and we should not reward them for what they have done.
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I find your lack of faith disturbing
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