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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Adden]
#5576765 - 05/01/06 10:32 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Maybe they do?
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Krishna]
#5576768 - 05/01/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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This world is fucked.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5576786 - 05/01/06 10:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I totaly fucking agree, this is America. mexicans piss me off as it is, Im cool with mexicans that are legal, and grew up in the us. But you get these fucking mexicans that cant speak english and if they do you still dont understand it, trying to run our fucking country. granit we stoled this peace of shit land form the indians and all that, but its the modern day. millions of illigal mexis get into the us every year by going over the border, and in the underground tunnels, etc. and they want more? they want "ILLIGAL" imigration to be legalized? fuck no. the thing is its going to be so political that the us will either have to do it, or choose to do it. but what I dont understand is, they cant take care of their own fucking country, so they want into ours. you dont see millions of americans trying to get across the border into mexico. and they get benifits and all sorts of shit from the goverment, and they still are greedy bastards, wanting it to be legal. fuck em. I cant drive down my fuckin street without a mexican staring me down. I may be racist in a way, but ive met some cool ass mexicans who were chilled. why you ask, because they were born and raised in america, they wernt no fuckin imports......anyway, I totaly agree with you man, this whole legalize imigration is bullshit.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Adden]
#5576789 - 05/01/06 10:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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S_2 said: Deport them and give some fucking jobs back to Americans.
Illegals are nothing but leeches. Slap them with the felony and get them the fuck out.
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As I noted above, American unemployment figures are as low as they have been in a long while. Americans HAVE jobs, if they want them. I would argue that many of those citizens left unemployed in this country, simply have little ambition to get employment. As for illegal's being leeches - in one respect I can understand that position - but on the flipside, these immigrants come here to work, in effect contributing to our economy, and in many cases are taking jobs in which they work (physically) much harder than most Americans do.
Additionally, their willingness to take hard labor jobs for minimal pay actually improves the cost of living and way of life for many Americans. Afterall, illegals have to work, they are not eligeable for wellfare and other government sponsored "leeching" programs that many American citizens take advantage of. Let me clarify that I do not agree with the way they attained entry to our country, but there is little reason to be so hostile towards people who come here to work, for a better life.. because really that's what all of our ancestors have done.
Legalize the current lot of immigrants, continue to take advantage of their willingness to do hard jobs but assimilate them into a system so that they also pay taxes. This is a win-win, because it is simply not practical to deport 12 million people - that will cause more problems than it will solve.
Secondly, we need to improve the fundamental problem here: border security and employer regulation. If employers were getting legal reprecussions for employing illegal immigrants, those jobs would dry up and illegal immigrants would lose the incentive to keep coming here illegally. This is something that should have been done a decade ago - so it is NO surprise that after Regan decalred an amnesty for immigrants, that without fixing the underlying problem, more illegal immigrants will continue to arrive. It's really a no-brainer, and we cannot blame them for taking these jobs.. but we should blame our American employers for allowing them the opportunity and incentive.
Lastly, I think we should increase the legally allotted limit for legal immigrants - as people willing to work these hard jobs for lower costs are an asset to the rest of us who would rather take desk jobs or other careers which don't involve such physical hardship. Of course this must be actively reviewed to ensure that the numbers of allotted immigrants fall in line with the pace of new job growth - but as it stands, these 12 million illegals do have a place in our society, otherwise they wouldn't be here. So why not legitimize their presence, continue to take advantage of their hard work ethic (something too many American's DON'T have), while also gaining additional tax revenue all the while?
Come on people, many of you should be ashamed for being so overtly hostile on a matter so complicated, with little justification for your position. If you do feel justified in your animosity, I would be very interested to hear the reasons behind your position. Don't just say "fuck 'em" without any reason.. that doesn't help your cause.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: inoculatedGreif]
#5576792 - 05/01/06 10:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Did you ask the Mexicans that stare you down everyday if they're legal or illegal?
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: geokills]
#5576797 - 05/01/06 10:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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has anyone heard the spanish version of the Star Spangled Banner they just put out? it's fucking blasphemy. they even changed the words in the middle to say something to the extent of "keep on fighting, even though your chained down." because we sure chained their asses up and drug them over here...
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Adden]
#5576802 - 05/01/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I honestly don't know why you keyboard militia even care.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Krishna]
#5576806 - 05/01/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Krishna said: if the west wants to use rhetoric about free-trade to open foreign production and resource markets, how can we deny the free movement of labour? so capital & goods can travel freely (ie, allowing the "haves" to get even more), but labour and human resources cannot (forcing the "have-nots" to stay in their place?)
If labor populations are allowed to cross borders freely without universal social programs that will offer the same services to all, the system could fall apart. For example: The US in most eyes has a much better regulated social environment and infrastructure for the basic living needs of humans, with respect to Mexico. Therefore, if labor was allowed to move freely, what's to stop so many Mexican's from coming to America, that the Mexican economy begins to dry up - and as a result, would have severely reduced capital and trade to offer other nations?
On the other hand, what your saying could work - as over a long enough time span things should come to equilibrium naturally, depending upon the amount of jobs available in any given region. But this would be a long and hard road - and with the current world structure, something that I do not feel would be possible without a unified world government that could provide protective force for all. It is within the current social/human nature for humans to strive for assets and control.. so without some kind of powerful and unifying force, human corruption would make your suggestion a very difficult solution.
Furthermore, corruption could cause a world government to fail just as readily - and with much worse consequences since the stakes would be so much higher.. and ultimately, we'd probably end up right back where we started. Interesting breed our consciousness is..
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: geokills]
#5576808 - 05/01/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I disagree, im 19 and ive ben trying for more than a year to find a descent job. I know I messed up in the past, and I dont have anywork history as of now. But I still cant find a job worth shit. And I refuse to work at a mcdonalds or some obese place like that. who would they choose, an american with no work history, who will work for 7.00 an hour, or a mexican with no work history who will work for 6.50, or lower even. there being more imigrants, puts more americans out of work. I mean I know how to paint,and mask. a little bit of carpentrty. so I do have personal experiance, but in the eyes of the employer, unless ive worked at a buisness, fast food, etc. than I wont be hired. thats here anyways,in colorado. I dont know about other states. just like afganees, we let them into our country and what do they do? plot against us, why? because their god tells them to kill us, yet our god tells us to love them. but we still allow them into our country. the mexicans we allow in the more suburbanized our nabhorhoods get.example, I live on a descent block, but when I got to a more "getto" nabhorhood you have mexicans that think they own this damn country. when the fact is they shouldnt even be here, but theres nothing we can do about it...
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: geokills]
#5576811 - 05/01/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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geokills, some of the immigrants come here to work hard. most often, the male head of the household while the wife/mother sits at home and craps out a bunch of kids. and i do mean a bunch.
does his economic contribution alone justify our government paying for and taking care of his entire family?
think about how many families are in that exact situation... and some DO intentionally have more children just to get the welfare money. ive seen it with my own eyes in my own neighborhoods.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: geokills]
#5576813 - 05/01/06 10:56 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Therefore, if labor was allowed to move freely, what's to stop so many Mexican's from coming to America, that the Mexican economy begins to dry up - and as a result, would have severely reduced capital and trade to offer other nations?
Well, then we could just absorb Mexico into the United States. It was supposed to be a part of Texas anyway I think.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: inoculatedGreif]
#5576816 - 05/01/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well the mexicans do not refuse to work at McDonalds. Also, I live in Colorado and it's not difficult to find a job. My girlfriend and I were both out of work and it took us less then two weeks to each find a job. Both of us have minimal experience (1 job before these). Neither of us work at food places either.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Trav]
#5576829 - 05/01/06 11:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Realy? see ive aplied at almost all the places that I can get to right now(cars craped out) and I havnt had luck with not one of them. Loveland sucks let me tell you,lol.
-not to mention american women and men are having kids with mexican women/men, their mixing.....
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: inoculatedGreif]
#5576838 - 05/01/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I do live in a more populated area, so there are probably more jobs around me. With that said, are there even any Mexicans in Loveland?
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Trav]
#5576840 - 05/01/06 11:04 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Trav said: I do live in a more populated area, so there are probably more jobs around me. With that said, are there even any Mexicans in Loveland?
if not im moving there
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: inoculatedGreif]
#5576841 - 05/01/06 11:04 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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inoculatedGreif said: not to mention american women and men are having kids with mexican women/men, their mixing.....
are you being required to mix? Why do you care if they "mix"?
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5576848 - 05/01/06 11:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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lol "their mixing"
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: inoculatedGreif]
#5576853 - 05/01/06 11:08 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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My half brother is half mexican. My mom 'mixed' with a mexican before I was born. Nothing bad came of it at all really either, I do have a cool brother now..
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5576859 - 05/01/06 11:11 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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yep, its funny, I can go about 3 or 4 blocks away and its mexican ville. weve had 4 or 5 mexican familys move into the houses that were for sell on our block. I know were my bro use to live they were the only white people in the apparments.
I dunno, I dont think cross breeding is right, not in humans anyway.
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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: inoculatedGreif]
#5576861 - 05/01/06 11:11 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I still cant find a job worth shit. And I refuse to work at a mcdonalds or some obese place like that.
You've made your own bed my friend, so you should be able to sleep in it without scapegoating upon someone else. You better believe you can take that job at McDonalds, as McDonalds is a corporation abiding by employment laws, and therefore they will be obligated to pay minimum wage regardless of the person they are hiring. If you are a competent, with average or better intelligence, and are willing to WORK for your money, I have little doubt you'd be able to find a job in this country. Perhaps not in your immediate neighborhood, but people move all the time for employment - even if they live in a portion of the country with little to no immigrants.
> just like afganees
Whoa now, one issue at a time..
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geokills, some of the immigrants come here to work hard. most often, the male head of the household while the wife/mother sits at home and craps out a bunch of kids. and i do mean a bunch.
does his economic contribution alone justify our government paying for and taking care of his entire family?
This is indeed a problem. However, it is only the children that are receiving aid, as the parents would be ineligeable. Nevertheless, there is hypocrasy in this policy and indeed this is probably a negative measure that will provide greater incentive for "leeching" - but still, this will only directly affect the children, who are in essence innocent to begin with.
> Well, then we could just absorb Mexico into the United States.
Hehe, now you're thinkin'!
I think it would be awesome if the entire North American continent was covered through one unified governing body. We could take the best of all worlds.. implement Canada's healthcare structure, the US corporate structure, and Mexico's law regarding the freedom for personal drug use
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