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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Stonerguy]
    #5576190 - 05/01/06 01:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I wonder if the illegals are going to boycott the hospital emergency rooms and free clinics as well.


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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: gregorio]
    #5576520 - 05/01/06 07:52 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

if you really think about it, they are accomplishing nothing except complaining. they say they're going to boycott everything today, but im sure they either stocked up yesterday or will make it up by the end of the week.

one day isnt enough to cause any kind of real impact in the economy. they'd need to keep this up for at least a week, or more to even show signs of a hiccup. and as resilient as mexicans are, i dont think they can go a week without the same creature comforts everyone in america has grown used to.

here in atlanta, theyre all marching at the capitol building today. im hoping for some mexican-on-mexican violence. let them take care of themselves.


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My Thoughts on May 1st, 2006 [Re: knowhereman]
    #5576583 - 05/01/06 08:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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24 hours to do whatever the fuck you want and nothing you dont feel like doing; a taste of the modern american dream.




sounds like cinco de mayo.




Well since these days aren't so far apart why not take the whole week of?

WHO'S WITH ME!!? :hairmetal:




Haha, awesome.  I'll be driving around Los Angeles today.. not by choice.. but by commitment as I've promised to help my grandmother with some things at her new home.  Unfortunatley that means I'm probably going to get stuck in some heavy traffic conjestion between the closed streets and the million+ people that are expected to be marching today here.  Should be interesting.

> Do I think that they all should given amnesty?

Shoot, this may not be the popular American opinion, but I think they should.  Afterall, they are already here, the are here to work, and our national unemployment figures are the lowest they've been in quite some time (around 4% if memory serves).  That means that Americans do have enough jobs, so why kick out the immigrants who want to do the jobs other Americans don't?  It just doesn't make sense to me.  I don't agree with their illegal entry, but softening the blow is their economic impact on our society which is advantageous, in my opinion, due to the types of jobs that most immigrants will take (labor / farming).

Ideally, I'd like to see a four-pronged approach to this matter:
  • Amnesty for the current lot of immigrants
  • Strengthening of our Border Security
  • Swift Penalties for Employers found utilizing Illegal Immigrants
  • Analysis of new job, population growth, and resultant Changes made to Immigration Policy which would equalize the number of admitted immigrants more closely to number of new jobs available.


> if you really think about it, they are accomplishing nothing except complaining

See it as you will, that's the beauty of this country.  Of course, I see that they are accomplishing something - bringing this matter national and even international attention, thereby fostering a political and social debate which is almost always the first step towards change.  I think many of you are missing the point about the intentions behind these rallies.  It is not about putting a dent in the GDP of the country, but it is about garnering attention to a cause that they feel strongly about, and that they hope to invoke strong feelings in others about.  While I don't think that we should have an open border by any means, I do think our immigration policy has failed miserably due to lack of enforcement on the employment end - thereby giving no incentive to hard labor industries to refuse hiring cheap labor.  But as stated above, now that these immigrants are here and working, let's just get them in the system so they pay their taxes and continue to support our economy.


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Re: My Thoughts on May 1st, 2006 [Re: geokills]
    #5576598 - 05/01/06 08:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well then, I hope it doesn't rain tomorrow since the grass obviously won't be cut today.


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Re: My Thoughts on May 1st, 2006 [Re: geokills]
    #5576629 - 05/01/06 09:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

good point. while they are bringing attention to their cause, the ones i have talked to personally seem to care more about causing discomfort to the legal citizens.

"were gonna shut this town down, holmes!"

i think a large portion of the marchers and participants dont really understand what their leaders are protesting for, theyre just sheep being herded.

what actually pisses me off is that i know 20 years from now, when theyre writing in the textbooks about this movement, these illegal immigrants will be made out to be heroes and compared to the civil rights movement of the 60's. there is however a fundamental difference. blacks were brought here as slaves, the illegals just showed up and started squatting.

it really is a shame how much our textbooks lie by omission and raise kids to think the wrong things about people and hide the truth about the government. Lies My Teacher Told Me, by Loewen is a good read about misinformation in our nation's textbooks.


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Re: My Thoughts on May 1st, 2006 [Re: PurpleKush]
    #5576635 - 05/01/06 09:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

did you guys realize that a lot of 'illegals' buy false green cards so they can work here?

they get taxes taken out like every LEGAL citizen but never file a tax return...thats a lot of $$$$ the governments are getting that they never have to give back


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Re: My Thoughts on May 1st, 2006 [Re: goobler]
    #5576643 - 05/01/06 09:18 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think a western union tax is in order to cover all the bases


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Re: My Thoughts on May 1st, 2006 [Re: goobler]
    #5576685 - 05/01/06 09:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Interesting goobler - I've also noted that there are some "illegals" who voluntarily pay taxes directly to the IRS (apart from any mandatory withholding) even though they are not in the system themselves.  This I admire, even though I'm sure it's a very slim minority that are actually doing this.

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while they are bringing attention to their cause, the ones i have talked to personally seem to care more about causing discomfort to the legal citizens.


.. and that is unfortunate.  It is that type of behavior that will not further their cause, and will likely serve to instigate greater animosity amongst American citizens who may have been leaning towards supporting them.  I have no idea how this will all pan out, but I know where I stand on the core issue, as I outlined above in my "four point plan" - which is more or less my interpretation of Chris Matthew's suggestions from his Hardball program on MSNBC a couple weeks ago :smirk: .. what can I say?  The man is quite intelligent!


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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Harmonic_Order]
    #5576706 - 05/01/06 10:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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This reminds me of those Dead shows where so many people bum-rushed the show.





I made it in a show like that. No one was hurt though except the ones that got maced.


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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Stonerguy]
    #5576713 - 05/01/06 10:05 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

wow, i never realized how many xenophobes post here! :shocked:

national borders are , imo, completely unjustified, ridiculous, and destructive. nobody is an "illegal" immigrant if we are all citizens of earth.


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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Krishna]
    #5576714 - 05/01/06 10:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, I said that yesterday too in some other thread.  :thumbup:

We're born on Earth, this is the planet we get. It's all mine. And yours.


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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Krishna]
    #5576742 - 05/01/06 10:22 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Amen brotha, I agree fully with that.


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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Stonerguy]
    #5576745 - 05/01/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Deport them and give some fucking jobs back to Americans.

Illegals are nothing but leeches. Slap them with the felony and get them the fuck out.

Also, how hard is it to learn English? It's not like they have to learn Hebrew or Latin.

My great grandparents came here legally. Why can't these 'people'?


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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5576747 - 05/01/06 10:25 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think we should send in the national guard with mobile INS processing units and start arresting the ones that are not legal and fucking deporting them.


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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #5576750 - 05/01/06 10:26 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Did you know.............

Mexicans shit in the toliet and then wipe their ass and then toss the shitty paper on the floor or in a box if your lucky ?

True




wrong, they shit in buckets.


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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Krishna]
    #5576751 - 05/01/06 10:27 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

> national borders are , imo, completely unjustified

I might agree with you, IF we had one world economy. Unfortunately, our population is segregated into numerous seperate economies, and until we can begin to work together on a global scale, removing all national borders will be destructive to those economies with robust infrastructure and social wellfare programs. If you were to say that "segregated national economies" are destructive to the overall health of the world population on average, then I would agree with you. But with the current socio-political structure of the entire human species, national borders become a necessity in order to preserve different ways of living.


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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5576753 - 05/01/06 10:27 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

No, sillies! We were born on the right side of the line! We DESERVE to be rich!


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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Adden]
    #5576754 - 05/01/06 10:27 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:rolleyes: Because not enough immigrants are let in legally.  If they could get here legally, they would.


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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: Trav]
    #5576757 - 05/01/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Then maybe they don't belong here? :rolleyes:


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Re: "The day without illigal immigrants" [Re: geokills]
    #5576758 - 05/01/06 10:29 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

if the west wants to use rhetoric about free-trade to open foreign production and resource markets, how can we deny the free movement of labour? so capital & goods can travel freely (ie, allowing the "haves" to get even more), but labour and human resources cannot (forcing the "have-nots" to stay in their place?)


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