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Offlineplexus
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TOOL's 10,000 Days
    #5575197 - 04/30/06 08:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

...Kicks ass.
Another masteropus from my favorite band.
Wings for Marie takes its place as my favorite TOOL epic.
The artwork and stereoscopic shit kicks ass.
I am the opposite of 100% dissapointed with this album.
Im going to see tool in 8 days on mushrooms in a smallass venue.
Im so excited i have to pee.



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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: plexus]
    #5575202 - 04/30/06 08:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Alex Grey inspired album cover.


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Offlineplexus
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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: MarijunaIsGood4U]
    #5575215 - 04/30/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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MarijunaIsGood4U said:
Alex Grey inspired album cover.



not really so much alex grey "inspired".... more like... by him.
its from his "web of being" painting

the full version of the painting is inside the liner note booklet.




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Edited by plexus (04/30/06 08:22 PM)


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: plexus]
    #5576205 - 05/01/06 01:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

plexus said:
Wings for Marie takes its place as my favorite TOOL epic.




I have to go with Right in Two as my new favourite Tool song. That and I find the music to Lost Keys to be awesome to relax and trip out to...well the entire album is good for it, but Lost Keys stands out more for me.

Fucking fantastic album!


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: triple_]
    #5576309 - 05/01/06 04:04 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"Jambi" & "The Pot"


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: CLUTCH]
    #5578016 - 05/01/06 04:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Jambi,the pot,wings part 2 and right in two are my faovirte.

My mom picked up the new 10,000 days t shirt for me the other day.

I have had the album for about 2 weeks now.I plan to go pick up the real one tommorow..woooo


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: plexus]
    #5578628 - 05/01/06 07:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

New Tool is out? Where the hell have I been? (a cave)


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: monamine]
    #5579761 - 05/01/06 11:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

how negative are the lyrics....... on par with viacrious or is the album more upbeat?

that's the thing that gets under my skin about tool.
you're gonna die of cancer, asshole
i hope you choke
there's no love in fear
i am just a worthless liar
trust me as i claw your fucking throat away
my warning meant nothing
you'd better get out while you can
it will end no other way

you can paint a pretty negative portrait with his lyrics. a positive one too... very double edged and chaotic.....

there's so much going on in Tool, they are doing SOMETHING and something that few bands can do... so the question is..... is it something healthy to be exposing yourself to?

plus they seem a bit prophetic.... 2001 release, "the disasters are coming" and the disasters kind of came.........


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Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: leery11]
    #5579991 - 05/02/06 12:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It is just like life. Full of positive and negative. To strive and hold on to either is missing the point of experience.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: plexus]
    #5580216 - 05/02/06 02:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Im going to see tool in 8 days on mushrooms in a smallass venue.
Im so excited i have to pee.




where in texas? , if you dont mind me asking


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: bobjones]
    #5580310 - 05/02/06 03:49 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

DALLAS.

He must be one of the lucky ones that got a ticket. They are real hard to come by. Sold out in 30sec. Sure you can buy them from scalpers- for $300-$800




BTW monamine, it hits the stores in the US TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!


CLUTCH


Edited by CLUTCH (05/02/06 03:59 AM)


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Offlineplexus
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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: CLUTCH]
    #5580330 - 05/02/06 04:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yea, i got my ticket 6 rows from the front.
i got my ticket from ticketmaster. I was 6th in line.
i tried to get 2, but there werent 2 left.
crazy. sold out on me.
LESS THAN A WEEK!
Im very excited.
Thisll be my 3rd Tool show, and i can already tell itll be my favorite.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: leery11]
    #5580356 - 05/02/06 04:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

leery11 said:
how negative are the lyrics....... on par with viacrious or is the album more upbeat?




Not the "angry" negative of their earlier work, more of a sad shaking your head saying wtf......


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: barfightlard]
    #5580424 - 05/02/06 05:39 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

My moms boyfriend is the lead singer of that band's uncle.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Rustifer]
    #5580473 - 05/02/06 06:13 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Rustifer said:
My moms boyfriend gave me aids




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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: barfightlard]
    #5581349 - 05/02/06 12:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

bellylard said:
Quote:

Rustifer said:
My moms boyfriend gave me aids







:humpme:    :tongue2: :tongue2:


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: FunkyLoFi]
    #5581797 - 05/02/06 03:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

<<Im going to see tool in 8 days on mushrooms in a smallass venue.  Thisll be my 3rd Tool show, and i can already tell itll be my favorite.>>

Both of those statements are true for me also  :cool:  See ya there


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: CLUTCH]
    #5582566 - 05/02/06 06:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

CLUTCH said:
DALLAS.

He must be one of the lucky ones that got a ticket. They are real hard to come by. Sold out in 30sec. Sure you can buy them from scalpers- for $300-$800




BTW monamine, it hits the stores in the US TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!


CLUTCH




*goes out and man whores himself to raise money for new Tool CD*

I saw Tool at a small venue here in Florida when Lateralus came out. It was a kickass show to say the least (wasn't even on any drugs besides good old marijuana either) The only problem was that it was too perfect, like I was listening to the CD. I like a little improv when I see live shows. (Maybe I shouldn't be comparing them to someone like the Dead though...)

I know I'm commiting an act of blasphemy here, but am I the only one that thinks the guitars in Tool's music aren't that great? They have the rhythm down because Danny Carrey is a fucking genius, but they need more melody or something in their leads.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: monamine]
    #5583063 - 05/02/06 08:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

the stereoscopic artwork seems to have balanced my visual hemispheres and remedied some visual problems that i have.....!

does looking at that stuff trip anyone else out? It's a lot like looking at mandalas but it's 3d..... I've never encountered pictures like this before....... is it common practice? I know about stereoscopic images but not seen through a lens like that.

how interesting.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: leery11]
    #5583325 - 05/02/06 09:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Could someone who has purchased the new album please post some of the artwork included?


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5583829 - 05/02/06 10:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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aNeway2sayHooray said:
Could someone who has purchased the new album please post some of the artwork included?




It doesn't do it justice to see the artwork without the lenses they provide. I mean its cool artwork either way, but way cool to see everything pop out 3D


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: SuperD]
    #5583948 - 05/02/06 11:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

SuperD said:
Both of those statements are true for me also  :cool:  See ya there



sweet. wheres your seat?


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: plexus]
    #5584047 - 05/02/06 11:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I felt it was kind of generic. I've only heard it once, but nothing really stuck out the way the tracks on Aenima did.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5584097 - 05/02/06 11:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

it's going to take time to absorb the whole album. Was disappointed that Adam Jones still does not solo or has very weak solos.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: gema]
    #5586171 - 05/03/06 03:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

solos aren't in his nature, and I've come to terms that drop D is just... their sound. I was hoping for some new keys on this album, but oh well.

ALTHOUGH there's a kickass talkbox solo in Jambi.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Blastrid]
    #5589550 - 05/04/06 10:38 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

sec L row G..wife goin with me and she's not that cool w/ the whole shroom idea though haha..gonna have to be low key about it I guess


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: SuperD]
    #5589597 - 05/04/06 11:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

SuperD said:
sec L row G..wife goin with me and she's not that cool w/ the whole shroom idea though haha..gonna have to be low key about it I guess



me, Section D row F.

just take a couple grams. she'll never notice! :wink:

its always been a dream of mine to see tool on shrooms.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5589934 - 05/04/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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aNeway2sayHooray said:
Could someone who has purchased the new album please post some of the artwork included?




http://10000-days.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1917


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: gema]
    #5592851 - 05/05/06 03:42 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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gema said:
it's going to take time to absorb the whole album. Was disappointed that Adam Jones still does not solo or has very weak solos.




That's what I was tryin to say,man. The rhythm is awesome, but then Adam will play a generic ass,simple lead that would sound like crap if it was played clean without the timbre of the tone he uses.

I think Maynard and Danny need to leave (or kick Adam and other guy out) and get a kickass guitar/bass combo. That would be the sweetest band of all time.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: monamine]
    #5593199 - 05/05/06 08:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I love their new album.
It keeps gettin' better and better with each listen.



"I think Maynard and Danny need to leave (or kick Adam and other guy out) and get a kickass guitar/bass combo. That would be the sweetest band of all time. "

Hell no! Maynard is one of the best singers alive imo. And why should Danny leave? The guy is just too good (I'm a drummer so I should know). And there's no one who could play like Adam does with Tool.
Just my 2 cents. :peace:


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: ProgFron]
    #5593372 - 05/05/06 09:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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ProgFron said:
I love their new album.
It keeps gettin' better and better with each listen.



"I think Maynard and Danny need to leave (or kick Adam and other guy out) and get a kickass guitar/bass combo. That would be the sweetest band of all time. "

Hell no! Maynard is one of the best singers alive imo. And why should Danny leave? The guy is just too good (I'm a drummer so I should know). And there's no one who could play like Adam does with Tool.
Just my 2 cents. :peace:




He means that he thinks Maynard and Danny are the only good ones in the band.  They are obviously happy with what they have and the sound they are producing.  IT IS TOOL.  Change it and it wouldn't be.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: barfightlard]
    #5593645 - 05/05/06 11:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i just wouldnt be the same.
it woulnt bee tool.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: plexus]
    #5594143 - 05/05/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think Tool should bring another guitarist to handle the lead. Billy Howerdel from APC would be a good fit. Make a new band and call it A Perfect Tool. lol!


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: plexus]
    #5594552 - 05/05/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

they should get flea and bb king instead - that would be a kickass band!!!


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: plexus]
    #5594677 - 05/05/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: gema]
    #5594794 - 05/05/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Technical proficiency related to speed and precision (i.e. soloing or sometimes considered "showing-off") is on its way out. The future is tone, rhythm, and creativity.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Catalysis]
    #5600114 - 05/07/06 03:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I saw TOOL last week on Syrian Rue and Shrooms, and it BLEW MY MIND AWAY!

To be honest, the set scared the SHIT out of me...
I thought my Soul was going to be annihilated by the vibrations.

I forgot how sensitive the Rue+Shroom combo is to sound... Level 4 at 150dB, at least.

I had to take a wiz super bad so I ran to the bathroom and Les Claypool was standing in the lobby.
I was obviously tripping balls and he just smiled at me, it was an awesome moment.

After they played "Wings" I got a little over-excited and yelled "You guys ROCK!!!!" right when everyone became silent.
I don't know why I screamed it, I was tripping SO hard, some people laughed and I felt like an idiot.
TOOL didn't need me to tell them they rock...

After the next song, Maynard looked at me and said "No, Seriously, Thank you. Thank YOU."

I'm not even going to try to describe the experience, I'm still trying to put it back together.
but it shocked me to my core, and transformed my persona, a little more...

10,000 days is the approximate cycle of Saturn.

Study the Saturn astro-archetype to better understand the album, and the live set.

Saturn is FIERCE, hard-core, wicked-smart, mad-talented, and shows no mercy in getting the dirty job done.

Life's short, dose heroic.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Middleman]
    #5600173 - 05/07/06 04:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Jinx said:
10,000 days is the approximate cycle of Saturn.

Study the Saturn astro-archetype to better understand the album, and the live set.

Saturn is FIERCE, hard-core, wicked-smart, mad-talented, and shows no mercy in getting the dirty job done.







Where is there information on the Saturn astro-archetype?

Also i saw tool recently too - what venue were you at ;p

thats cool information man i would like to learn more...

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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: ProgFron]
    #5603371 - 05/08/06 12:00 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Hell no! Maynard is one of the best singers alive imo. And why should Danny leave? The guy is just too good (I'm a drummer so I should know). And there's no one who could play like Adam does with Tool.
Just my 2 cents. :peace:




No dude. I was saying Maynard and Danny kick ass but the other two guys are pretty mediocre.
I'm a guitar solo whore, so that might be something to do with it. Adam's licks just seem like backround to the percussion and don't really go anywhere to me. They have the rhythm and timber (tone) down, but they need more melody or something.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: barfightlard]
    #5603398 - 05/08/06 12:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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ProgFron said:
I love their new album.
It keeps gettin' better and better with each listen.



"I think Maynard and Danny need to leave (or kick Adam and other guy out) and get a kickass guitar/bass combo. That would be the sweetest band of all time. "

Hell no! Maynard is one of the best singers alive imo. And why should Danny leave? The guy is just too good (I'm a drummer so I should know). And there's no one who could play like Adam does with Tool.
Just my 2 cents. :peace:




He means that he thinks Maynard and Danny are the only good ones in the band.  They are obviously happy with what they have and the sound they are producing.  IT IS TOOL.  Change it and it wouldn't be.




I was really just thinking out loud. I agree with you essentially...why screw with a good thing? Sometimes I just think a really good band could have been like the best band ever or something though in Tool's case.

I dunno. I'm not really big on metal or "classical" guitar style. I'm a blues man with improv and soloing in his bones,and it just doesn't sound right to me.
Maybe I shouldn't be comparing Tool to the shit I listen to though...


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Catalysis]
    #5603409 - 05/08/06 12:08 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Catalysis said:
Technical proficiency related to speed and precision (i.e. soloing or sometimes considered "showing-off") is on its way out. The future is tone, rhythm, and creativity.




I think its obvious we come from different musical backrounds. I'll just leave it at that.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: ManianFH]
    #5604336 - 05/08/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Jinx said:
10,000 days is the approximate cycle of Saturn.

Study the Saturn astro-archetype to better understand the album, and the live set.

Saturn is FIERCE, hard-core, wicked-smart, mad-talented, and shows no mercy in getting the dirty job done.







Where is there information on the Saturn astro-archetype?

Also i saw tool recently too - what venue were you at ;p

thats cool information man i would like to learn more...

Mick




Have you read through the lyrics for 10k days (wings for marie pt 2). I think it's simply about his mother.

"his mother suffered a stroke that left her partially paralyzed and wheelchair-bound. The length of time between her paralysis and her death was 27 years, or approximately 10,000 days"


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: barfightlard]
    #5606302 - 05/08/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It's about his mother on the most superficial level, the level of disclosed meaning.

Just like "Jimmy" on Aenima is about MJK's childhood on that level,
and about "Daath" (the 11th sphere on the tree of life that links the front and back together) on a more occult (subtle/hidden/secret) level of meaning.

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    #5607203 - 05/09/06 12:28 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

This man knows what he's talking about.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Middleman]
    #5608235 - 05/09/06 10:49 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

link me or explain to me all these hidden meanings


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    #5609833 - 05/09/06 06:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think any definitive hidden meaning or secret really matters. They've made it clear in interviews they want each listener to have their own unique personal interpretation, that's what really matters. They are more about communicating emotion and feeling than the actual words and literal meaning, hence no lyrics with the CDs.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Metatrad]
    #5609902 - 05/09/06 07:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Ya I know.

I want to hear why Jinx thinks this stuff though.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: monamine]
    #5610073 - 05/09/06 07:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Catalysis said:
Technical proficiency related to speed and precision (i.e. soloing or sometimes considered "showing-off") is on its way out. The future is tone, rhythm, and creativity.




I think its obvious we come from different musical backrounds. I'll just leave it at that.




It's possible. In classical music, speed and precision is assumed at a certain level, then it becomes all about expression and performance.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: barfightlard]
    #5611090 - 05/09/06 11:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Ya I know.

I want to hear why Jinx thinks this stuff though.




I think what hes getting at is that jimmy is about when his mother got an anneurism at age 11. she died 27 years later, which is approximately 10,000 days. which is where the '10,000 days in the fire is long enough, youre going home' lyric comes from. home obviously is the after life in this song. in jimmy, he says you are the light that is calling me back home. which in jinx's metaphor of the tree of life is the 1st sphere, "Keter" which is like the divine and eternal. (afterlife) the 11th sphere, "Daath" links keter to the bottom half of the tree.


you can see where daath links the top shephira keter.
daath is knowledge of the void. bridging the eternal.

The song also says "Eleven is standing still, waiting for me to free him by coming home."

I dont know if it was an intentional from tool to make that metaphor or just jinx's interpretation of the song, but it was a nice observation. i like.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Catalysis]
    #5611328 - 05/10/06 01:17 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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monamine said:
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Catalysis said:
Technical proficiency related to speed and precision (i.e. soloing or sometimes considered "showing-off") is on its way out. The future is tone, rhythm, and creativity.




I think its obvious we come from different musical backrounds. I'll just leave it at that.




It's possible. In classical music, speed and precision is assumed at a certain level, then it becomes all about expression and performance.




I wasn't trying to be pretenious or anything, just that we have different musical tastes. I don't listen to much metal type stuff besides Tool and Opeth, so I don't really understand it. I learned guitar from a "blues shuffle" perspective where lead and improv are integral to the sound. Like I said, it just seems like Adam's riffs are backround to Danny's drums or something.

Anyway,10000 Days is good. I personally think they hit their high point with Aenima, but the new album is good stuff. Rhymically, it's a masterpiece (Danny is the master of the poly rhythm IHMO).


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: plexus]
    #5611949 - 05/10/06 09:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I still haven't heard any of the new stuff. :frown:


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: CaRnAgECaNdY]
    #5611993 - 05/10/06 09:31 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I still haven't heard any of the new stuff. :frown:



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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: monamine]
    #5613799 - 05/10/06 05:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I wasn't trying to be pretenious or anything, just that we have different musical tastes.




Yeah neither was I. I like turning music up loud in good headphones and listening to the texture and tone of the sound. I like musicians who focus heavily on that aspect in their style and I think Adam does it well.

I think 10000 days is good but definately not as good as aenima. "Third eye" was a masterpiece.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Catalysis]
    #5613942 - 05/10/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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"Third eye" was a masterpiece.



Speaking of which, has anyone else noticed that on part of "Rosetta Stoned," Adam copies the main riff from "Third Eye"?


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    #5615419 - 05/10/06 10:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, there are several moments on this new album that are more than a bit reminiscent of older material. I hear part of a riff from H and a bit of pushit somewhere in there. I also hear the patient in one of the new tracks and a bit of Schism in Vicarious. I pretty much blame Adam.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Viveka]
    #5616908 - 05/11/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well, there's only so many combinations of notes you can play in drop D.

that's why i was hoping this new album would explore other keys.

"But that's their sound" said a friend of mine.

but, parabola was in another key and that sounds Tool...


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Blastrid]
    #5616926 - 05/11/06 12:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Well, there's only so many combinations of notes you can play in drop D.



You can play any chord in drop D that you can play in standard tuning.


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    #5616937 - 05/11/06 12:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

well, more specifically I meant in the key of D minor...tuned in drop D.


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    #5617059 - 05/11/06 12:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Combinations of notes are far more limited than the possibilites of rhythm. I think rhythm is far more important in music htan melody, for this very reason. The notes used may be a very common combination, but if the rhythmic permutation is interesting, the music can still be very unique. This is one reason why Tool is so great. Also, Parabola is the least "Tool-sounding" of all their songs, to my ears.

That being said, I don't think Adam is up to par on this record as far as coming up with new shit is concerned. Lost Riffs (blame Jones)


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Viveka]
    #5617390 - 05/11/06 02:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

>I think rhythm is far more important in music htan melody

hmm, I disagree with this statement.

there are three equally important aspects of music:
-Harmony
-Melody
-Rhythm

this encompasses everything from tone, timbre, time, key, dissonance, consonance, and lack of all these qualites.....

some bands and composers choose to focus on one or two, and that's all fine. you could be killer at rhythm and terrible at melody...

but to discount any one of the three as less important is discounting an essential aspect of music.

tool happens to be amazing at rhythm, less than good at harmony, and pretty good at melody. Maynard's vocals are really at the forefront of modern rock singing, and Adam's melodies seem to focus more on tone than actual note intervals (which is a unique and interesting approach).
and excelling at one of the 3 listed above can make up for your shortcomings...such as the case for tool (and described with the rest of your post :smile: )
there's rarely an artist that commands rhythm, melody, and harmony on a master level.

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    #5618208 - 05/11/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Agreed. I was being a bit hyperbolous. As far as my interest in music is concerned, I think that the rhythmic syncopation, or lack thereof, of a lead or melodic line is more important than the notes used. Of course, in the forward progression of a musical piece, the note selection, the interval placement is tremendously important to me to illicit emotional effect or any sort of response. But to restate my point more directly, I think a riff suffers more from a lame rhythmic execution than from a lame note selection.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Viveka]
    #5618481 - 05/11/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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But to restate my point more directly, I think a riff suffers more from a lame rhythmic execution than from a lame note selection.




I agree with that. I have noticed this with people who are just learning guitar. They can usually miss a note or 2 but keep the rhythm and still sound ok. If they miss beats, it is almost unlistenable.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Catalysis]
    #5619561 - 05/11/06 11:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You both have good points...

it should be mentioned that the majority of times I've seen Tool, they're even better live than on recording. Notes, timing, everything more accurate...

good shit!


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    #5619964 - 05/12/06 01:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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You both have good points...

it should be mentioned that the majority of times I've seen Tool, they're even better live than on recording. Notes, timing, everything more accurate...

good shit!




Yeah they definitely have their timing down to a science. When I saw them it was PERFECT. For a minute I almost thought they were fake playing with the tracks or something. I guess they're kind of like Floyd in that respect,not improv but having what they have in mind beforehand and playing it exactly like that. They're studio musicians...but I mean that in a good way.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: monamine]
    #5621928 - 05/12/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I was reading an interview years ago with tool and they mentioned that they "breathe" together as a band with the music. You can hear it when you listen to them. It is really an interesting way to look at it.


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    #5626968 - 05/13/06 11:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

As much as I talk shit about Adam, they really are a functioning whole any way you look at it.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: plexus]
    #5633596 - 05/15/06 04:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I still haven't heard any of the new stuff. :frown:



why not?




I am poor and somewhat homeless at the moment. I haven't had contact with anyone, especially any other tool fans and I only had internet access for 15 minutes once a week.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Blastrid]
    #5681167 - 05/27/06 06:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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... less than good at harmony..




I feel compelled to express my disagreement with this statement. :grin:

First and foremost, I've been listening to 10,000 Days like fucking crazy. :lol:

Anyways, I think the fact is that Tool chooses to not utilize harmony to such a degree as, say, a melodic death metal band. :wink: I think it is a sparingly used touch, that, when applied, has an increased effect.

When they use harmony, it is killer. For instance, 5:22 in the title track, "Fetch me the spirit, the son, and the father, tell them there pillar of faith has ascended". Fucking beautiful. When they do craft some harmonically sonic pieces, it is exquisite. :mushroom2:

I really appreciate this album. The first couple of listens, I was trying to interpret whether or not they felt the need to express more with the "Lateralus sound". I was also afraid that it was a conscious decision to remake that album, but now my intuition urges me to believe that such nonsense is not true. :grin:

The more I become familiar with the songs, and the more I am more aware of all aspects of the songs - the more the songs unfold for me :laugh: - they are remarkably fresh and original. There is a subtle, yet distinct vibe to them that, if noticed, removes all doubt. :cool:

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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5682314 - 05/28/06 01:31 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have to be honest as much as I love Tool but... I was looking for more from Adam Jones. My opinion is that he is the weakest member in the band. He's an excellent rhythum guitar player but when the band get ready to play in the background and let him take the lead it is...disappointing. I kind of more disappointed in the other band members about not speaking up. But then in Guitar World Magazine, Adam Jones said that this is his band, pretty egoticical in my opinion. I respect Danny Carey though. That guy is the fu**ing band.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: gema]
    #5682486 - 05/28/06 02:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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But then in Guitar World Magazine, Adam Jones said that this is his band, pretty egoticical in my opinion.




I'm close to sure that he was saying that jokingly. probobly something hes joked about with the band before. None of them take themselves that seriously. And i think Adam really took it up a notch on this album compared to the previous. He is the weakest in the band, but try to think of tool without adam jones. His guitar squeals and string scratches are a main part of the tool sound.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: plexus]
    #5682905 - 05/28/06 09:28 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I have to be honest as much as I love Tool but... I was looking for more from Adam Jones. My opinion is that he is the weakest member in the band. He's an excellent rhythum guitar player but when the band get ready to play in the background and let him take the lead it is...disappointing. I kind of more disappointed in the other band members about not speaking up. But then in Guitar World Magazine, Adam Jones said that this is his band, pretty egoticical in my opinion. I respect Danny Carey though. That guy is the fu**ing band.




Please, I won't hear of it. Every individual could be a better musician or bring more to a band, but expecting something more from them doesn't make a lot of sense. They play the role they do in their band for a reason, and it works, especially for Tool. :grin:

Obviously, the guitarist in Tool is going to need to be insanely, rhythmically tight in order to sound great with the bass and drums. He is obviously a guitarist that is more concerned with tone and texture, which makes sense when he has to remain so rhythmic. He has a decent sense of melody as well, and the fact that he doesn't get so technically progressive is refreshing.

:shrug: I don't ask the sky to be more blue, and I don't see why this should be any different. Tool has a specific agenda when it comes to musikk, and obviously each member of the band fufills the role which is required by that agenda. It works for me, and it certainly seems to work for them, so... :grin:

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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5682909 - 05/28/06 09:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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fireworks_god said:
When they use harmony, it is killer. For instance, 5:22 in the title track, "Fetch me the spirit, the son, and the father, tell them there pillar of faith has ascended". Fucking beautiful. When they do craft some harmonically sonic pieces, it is exquisite. :mushroom2:




Case in point, I kept waking up last night, barely conscious, and this part of the song kept playing in my head. Amazing. :thumbup:

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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5694152 - 05/31/06 09:09 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I like you.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: plexus]
    #5694484 - 05/31/06 11:11 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, it's definetly a good record.
Nowhere near the magnitude of "Lateralus" or my personal Tool favorite "Ænima", but definetly enjoyable.

Fave tracks:
"Vicarious"
"Wings For Marie (Part 1)"
"10,000 Days (Wings Pt. 2)"
"Rosetta Stoned"
"Right In Two"


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5699734 - 06/01/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)



i'm not a tool fan, but i dig grey's artwork.

yos-


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Yoschie99]
    #5701465 - 06/01/06 09:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Sweet pic, thanks Yos!

I like this thread, there has been some intelligent discussion concerning my favorite band, TOOL. :smile:
I love the new album, it is awesomeness fer sure. Best if played loudly! My favorite song is The Pot, damn that shit rocks! I hope I get to see them live on this tour, live they reach ecstatic heights of sonic glory and transform minds with conciously energized psycho-sound-tableaus.

Oh and I can't imagine Tool if some soloing wankster was noodling around with scales in the middle of every song. Adam Jones is a great guitarist, perfect for his role. And he has done a whole bunch of the artwork, which is part of the Tool mystique. I mean, who doesn't remember that Sober video where the puppet dude's arm starts twitching...


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: ToolTroll]
    #5705141 - 06/02/06 07:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe they should replace Adam Jones with Yngwie Malmsteen? lmao


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Catalysis]
    #5705193 - 06/02/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That would actually be an interesting experiment, but rather to have Malmsteen collaborate with them... Yngwie's bass and drums always suck, and if they spent a lot of time hashing everything out, it would be pretty fucking crazy. :lol:

Maybe work with Yngwie on that "tone and texture" thing a bit as well.... :smirk:

Also, run his guitar through a synth and set up triggers for all sorts of ambient synth stuff, subtle Shpongle type stuff going on...

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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: ManianFH]
    #5730441 - 06/09/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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mickdawg666 said:





holy shit, was i the only one that found this extremely fucking funny? i do believe this picture is going to replace the picture of miles davis as the desktop on my parent's computer, lol!!!!

fucking GREAT work man! this is genius!!!!!!


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