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Viveka
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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Blastrid]
#5618208 - 05/11/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Agreed. I was being a bit hyperbolous. As far as my interest in music is concerned, I think that the rhythmic syncopation, or lack thereof, of a lead or melodic line is more important than the notes used. Of course, in the forward progression of a musical piece, the note selection, the interval placement is tremendously important to me to illicit emotional effect or any sort of response. But to restate my point more directly, I think a riff suffers more from a lame rhythmic execution than from a lame note selection.
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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Viveka]
#5618481 - 05/11/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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But to restate my point more directly, I think a riff suffers more from a lame rhythmic execution than from a lame note selection.
I agree with that. I have noticed this with people who are just learning guitar. They can usually miss a note or 2 but keep the rhythm and still sound ok. If they miss beats, it is almost unlistenable.
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Blastrid
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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Catalysis]
#5619561 - 05/11/06 11:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You both have good points...
it should be mentioned that the majority of times I've seen Tool, they're even better live than on recording. Notes, timing, everything more accurate...
good shit!
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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Blastrid]
#5619964 - 05/12/06 01:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Blastrid said: You both have good points...
it should be mentioned that the majority of times I've seen Tool, they're even better live than on recording. Notes, timing, everything more accurate...
good shit!
Yeah they definitely have their timing down to a science. When I saw them it was PERFECT. For a minute I almost thought they were fake playing with the tracks or something. I guess they're kind of like Floyd in that respect,not improv but having what they have in mind beforehand and playing it exactly like that. They're studio musicians...but I mean that in a good way.
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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: monamine]
#5621928 - 05/12/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was reading an interview years ago with tool and they mentioned that they "breathe" together as a band with the music. You can hear it when you listen to them. It is really an interesting way to look at it.
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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Catalysis]
#5626968 - 05/13/06 11:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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As much as I talk shit about Adam, they really are a functioning whole any way you look at it.
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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: plexus]
#5633596 - 05/15/06 04:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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plexus said:
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Desiree said: I still haven't heard any of the new stuff.
why not?
I am poor and somewhat homeless at the moment. I haven't had contact with anyone, especially any other tool fans and I only had internet access for 15 minutes once a week.
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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Blastrid]
#5681167 - 05/27/06 06:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Blastrid said: ... less than good at harmony..
I feel compelled to express my disagreement with this statement. 
First and foremost, I've been listening to 10,000 Days like fucking crazy. 
Anyways, I think the fact is that Tool chooses to not utilize harmony to such a degree as, say, a melodic death metal band. I think it is a sparingly used touch, that, when applied, has an increased effect.
When they use harmony, it is killer. For instance, 5:22 in the title track, "Fetch me the spirit, the son, and the father, tell them there pillar of faith has ascended". Fucking beautiful. When they do craft some harmonically sonic pieces, it is exquisite. 
I really appreciate this album. The first couple of listens, I was trying to interpret whether or not they felt the need to express more with the "Lateralus sound". I was also afraid that it was a conscious decision to remake that album, but now my intuition urges me to believe that such nonsense is not true. 
The more I become familiar with the songs, and the more I am more aware of all aspects of the songs - the more the songs unfold for me - they are remarkably fresh and original. There is a subtle, yet distinct vibe to them that, if noticed, removes all doubt. 
I fucking love it! 
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I have to be honest as much as I love Tool but... I was looking for more from Adam Jones. My opinion is that he is the weakest member in the band. He's an excellent rhythum guitar player but when the band get ready to play in the background and let him take the lead it is...disappointing. I kind of more disappointed in the other band members about not speaking up. But then in Guitar World Magazine, Adam Jones said that this is his band, pretty egoticical in my opinion. I respect Danny Carey though. That guy is the fu**ing band.
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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: gema]
#5682486 - 05/28/06 02:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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gema said: But then in Guitar World Magazine, Adam Jones said that this is his band, pretty egoticical in my opinion.
I'm close to sure that he was saying that jokingly. probobly something hes joked about with the band before. None of them take themselves that seriously. And i think Adam really took it up a notch on this album compared to the previous. He is the weakest in the band, but try to think of tool without adam jones. His guitar squeals and string scratches are a main part of the tool sound.
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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: plexus]
#5682905 - 05/28/06 09:28 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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gema said: I have to be honest as much as I love Tool but... I was looking for more from Adam Jones. My opinion is that he is the weakest member in the band. He's an excellent rhythum guitar player but when the band get ready to play in the background and let him take the lead it is...disappointing. I kind of more disappointed in the other band members about not speaking up. But then in Guitar World Magazine, Adam Jones said that this is his band, pretty egoticical in my opinion. I respect Danny Carey though. That guy is the fu**ing band.
Please, I won't hear of it. Every individual could be a better musician or bring more to a band, but expecting something more from them doesn't make a lot of sense. They play the role they do in their band for a reason, and it works, especially for Tool. 
Obviously, the guitarist in Tool is going to need to be insanely, rhythmically tight in order to sound great with the bass and drums. He is obviously a guitarist that is more concerned with tone and texture, which makes sense when he has to remain so rhythmic. He has a decent sense of melody as well, and the fact that he doesn't get so technically progressive is refreshing.
I don't ask the sky to be more blue, and I don't see why this should be any different. Tool has a specific agenda when it comes to musikk, and obviously each member of the band fufills the role which is required by that agenda. It works for me, and it certainly seems to work for them, so... 
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fireworks_god said: When they use harmony, it is killer. For instance, 5:22 in the title track, "Fetch me the spirit, the son, and the father, tell them there pillar of faith has ascended". Fucking beautiful. When they do craft some harmonically sonic pieces, it is exquisite. 
Case in point, I kept waking up last night, barely conscious, and this part of the song kept playing in my head. Amazing. 
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I like you.
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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: plexus]
#5694484 - 05/31/06 11:11 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, it's definetly a good record. Nowhere near the magnitude of "Lateralus" or my personal Tool favorite "Ænima", but definetly enjoyable.
Fave tracks: "Vicarious" "Wings For Marie (Part 1)" "10,000 Days (Wings Pt. 2)" "Rosetta Stoned" "Right In Two"
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i'm not a tool fan, but i dig grey's artwork.
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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Yoschie99]
#5701465 - 06/01/06 09:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sweet pic, thanks Yos!
I like this thread, there has been some intelligent discussion concerning my favorite band, TOOL.  I love the new album, it is awesomeness fer sure. Best if played loudly! My favorite song is The Pot, damn that shit rocks! I hope I get to see them live on this tour, live they reach ecstatic heights of sonic glory and transform minds with conciously energized psycho-sound-tableaus.
Oh and I can't imagine Tool if some soloing wankster was noodling around with scales in the middle of every song. Adam Jones is a great guitarist, perfect for his role. And he has done a whole bunch of the artwork, which is part of the Tool mystique. I mean, who doesn't remember that Sober video where the puppet dude's arm starts twitching...
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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: ToolTroll]
#5705141 - 06/02/06 07:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Maybe they should replace Adam Jones with Yngwie Malmsteen? lmao
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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Catalysis]
#5705193 - 06/02/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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That would actually be an interesting experiment, but rather to have Malmsteen collaborate with them... Yngwie's bass and drums always suck, and if they spent a lot of time hashing everything out, it would be pretty fucking crazy. 
Maybe work with Yngwie on that "tone and texture" thing a bit as well....
Also, run his guitar through a synth and set up triggers for all sorts of ambient synth stuff, subtle Shpongle type stuff going on...
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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: ManianFH]
#5730441 - 06/09/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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mickdawg666 said:
holy shit, was i the only one that found this extremely fucking funny? i do believe this picture is going to replace the picture of miles davis as the desktop on my parent's computer, lol!!!!
fucking GREAT work man! this is genius!!!!!!
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