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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Catalysis]
    #5603409 - 05/08/06 12:08 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Catalysis said:
Technical proficiency related to speed and precision (i.e. soloing or sometimes considered "showing-off") is on its way out. The future is tone, rhythm, and creativity.




I think its obvious we come from different musical backrounds. I'll just leave it at that.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: ManianFH]
    #5604336 - 05/08/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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mickdawg666 said:
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Jinx said:
10,000 days is the approximate cycle of Saturn.

Study the Saturn astro-archetype to better understand the album, and the live set.

Saturn is FIERCE, hard-core, wicked-smart, mad-talented, and shows no mercy in getting the dirty job done.







Where is there information on the Saturn astro-archetype?

Also i saw tool recently too - what venue were you at ;p

thats cool information man i would like to learn more...

Mick




Have you read through the lyrics for 10k days (wings for marie pt 2). I think it's simply about his mother.

"his mother suffered a stroke that left her partially paralyzed and wheelchair-bound. The length of time between her paralysis and her death was 27 years, or approximately 10,000 days"


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: barfightlard]
    #5606302 - 05/08/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It's about his mother on the most superficial level, the level of disclosed meaning.

Just like "Jimmy" on Aenima is about MJK's childhood on that level,
and about "Daath" (the 11th sphere on the tree of life that links the front and back together) on a more occult (subtle/hidden/secret) level of meaning.

Keep digging...


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Middleman]
    #5607203 - 05/09/06 12:28 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

This man knows what he's talking about.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Middleman]
    #5608235 - 05/09/06 10:49 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

link me or explain to me all these hidden meanings


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: barfightlard]
    #5609833 - 05/09/06 06:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think any definitive hidden meaning or secret really matters. They've made it clear in interviews they want each listener to have their own unique personal interpretation, that's what really matters. They are more about communicating emotion and feeling than the actual words and literal meaning, hence no lyrics with the CDs.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Metatrad]
    #5609902 - 05/09/06 07:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Ya I know.

I want to hear why Jinx thinks this stuff though.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: monamine]
    #5610073 - 05/09/06 07:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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monamine said:
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Catalysis said:
Technical proficiency related to speed and precision (i.e. soloing or sometimes considered "showing-off") is on its way out. The future is tone, rhythm, and creativity.




I think its obvious we come from different musical backrounds. I'll just leave it at that.




It's possible. In classical music, speed and precision is assumed at a certain level, then it becomes all about expression and performance.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: barfightlard]
    #5611090 - 05/09/06 11:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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bellylard said:
Ya I know.

I want to hear why Jinx thinks this stuff though.




I think what hes getting at is that jimmy is about when his mother got an anneurism at age 11. she died 27 years later, which is approximately 10,000 days. which is where the '10,000 days in the fire is long enough, youre going home' lyric comes from. home obviously is the after life in this song. in jimmy, he says you are the light that is calling me back home. which in jinx's metaphor of the tree of life is the 1st sphere, "Keter" which is like the divine and eternal. (afterlife) the 11th sphere, "Daath" links keter to the bottom half of the tree.


you can see where daath links the top shephira keter.
daath is knowledge of the void. bridging the eternal.

The song also says "Eleven is standing still, waiting for me to free him by coming home."

I dont know if it was an intentional from tool to make that metaphor or just jinx's interpretation of the song, but it was a nice observation. i like.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Catalysis]
    #5611328 - 05/10/06 01:17 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Catalysis said:
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monamine said:
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Catalysis said:
Technical proficiency related to speed and precision (i.e. soloing or sometimes considered "showing-off") is on its way out. The future is tone, rhythm, and creativity.




I think its obvious we come from different musical backrounds. I'll just leave it at that.




It's possible. In classical music, speed and precision is assumed at a certain level, then it becomes all about expression and performance.




I wasn't trying to be pretenious or anything, just that we have different musical tastes. I don't listen to much metal type stuff besides Tool and Opeth, so I don't really understand it. I learned guitar from a "blues shuffle" perspective where lead and improv are integral to the sound. Like I said, it just seems like Adam's riffs are backround to Danny's drums or something.

Anyway,10000 Days is good. I personally think they hit their high point with Aenima, but the new album is good stuff. Rhymically, it's a masterpiece (Danny is the master of the poly rhythm IHMO).


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: plexus]
    #5611949 - 05/10/06 09:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I still haven't heard any of the new stuff. :frown:


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: CaRnAgECaNdY]
    #5611993 - 05/10/06 09:31 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Desiree said:
I still haven't heard any of the new stuff. :frown:



why not?


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: monamine]
    #5613799 - 05/10/06 05:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I wasn't trying to be pretenious or anything, just that we have different musical tastes.




Yeah neither was I. I like turning music up loud in good headphones and listening to the texture and tone of the sound. I like musicians who focus heavily on that aspect in their style and I think Adam does it well.

I think 10000 days is good but definately not as good as aenima. "Third eye" was a masterpiece.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Catalysis]
    #5613942 - 05/10/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Catalysis said:
"Third eye" was a masterpiece.



Speaking of which, has anyone else noticed that on part of "Rosetta Stoned," Adam copies the main riff from "Third Eye"?


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Silversoul]
    #5615419 - 05/10/06 10:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, there are several moments on this new album that are more than a bit reminiscent of older material. I hear part of a riff from H and a bit of pushit somewhere in there. I also hear the patient in one of the new tracks and a bit of Schism in Vicarious. I pretty much blame Adam.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Viveka]
    #5616908 - 05/11/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well, there's only so many combinations of notes you can play in drop D.

that's why i was hoping this new album would explore other keys.

"But that's their sound" said a friend of mine.

but, parabola was in another key and that sounds Tool...


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Blastrid]
    #5616926 - 05/11/06 12:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Well, there's only so many combinations of notes you can play in drop D.



You can play any chord in drop D that you can play in standard tuning.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Silversoul]
    #5616937 - 05/11/06 12:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

well, more specifically I meant in the key of D minor...tuned in drop D.


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Blastrid]
    #5617059 - 05/11/06 12:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Combinations of notes are far more limited than the possibilites of rhythm. I think rhythm is far more important in music htan melody, for this very reason. The notes used may be a very common combination, but if the rhythmic permutation is interesting, the music can still be very unique. This is one reason why Tool is so great. Also, Parabola is the least "Tool-sounding" of all their songs, to my ears.

That being said, I don't think Adam is up to par on this record as far as coming up with new shit is concerned. Lost Riffs (blame Jones)


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Re: TOOL's 10,000 Days [Re: Viveka]
    #5617390 - 05/11/06 02:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

>I think rhythm is far more important in music htan melody

hmm, I disagree with this statement.

there are three equally important aspects of music:
-Harmony
-Melody
-Rhythm

this encompasses everything from tone, timbre, time, key, dissonance, consonance, and lack of all these qualites.....

some bands and composers choose to focus on one or two, and that's all fine. you could be killer at rhythm and terrible at melody...

but to discount any one of the three as less important is discounting an essential aspect of music.

tool happens to be amazing at rhythm, less than good at harmony, and pretty good at melody. Maynard's vocals are really at the forefront of modern rock singing, and Adam's melodies seem to focus more on tone than actual note intervals (which is a unique and interesting approach).
and excelling at one of the 3 listed above can make up for your shortcomings...such as the case for tool (and described with the rest of your post :smile: )
there's rarely an artist that commands rhythm, melody, and harmony on a master level.

my opinion and observation of course.


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