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The Sharp Pain Of Being Aware
#5574347 - 04/30/06 03:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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How many of us have had experiences, possibly on mushrooms, where they felt sharp, distinct, buzzing pain, due to the fact that they were experiencing more of their sensations, more of reality?
I've noticed several times on mushrooms that, as the trip begins to intensify, I experience the pain. It almost feels as though it is the result of being that aware of the present experience.
I suspect that perhaps everyone who is of a diminished amount of awareness or presence within the moment, operating with severe mental obstructions of their experience, is in such a state because of this pain. They cannot stand the feeling of it and seek to remove themselves from it.
I have also noticed that it needs to be embraced, and that, when it is, it isn't the same. It almost feels like it is necessary for our experience.
I don't know how else to better articulate this idea, so I will end here. 
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Re: The Sharp Pain Of Being Aware [Re: fireworks_god]
#5574415 - 04/30/06 03:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Could you try and describe this pain a little? I think I know what you're talking about, but I'm not sure.
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Re: The Sharp Pain Of Being Aware [Re: exclusive58]
#5574425 - 04/30/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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It feels like energy. 
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Re: The Sharp Pain Of Being Aware [Re: fireworks_god]
#5574428 - 04/30/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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How could it be painful then? Pure energy is orgasmic
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Re: The Sharp Pain Of Being Aware [Re: fireworks_god]
#5574442 - 04/30/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've had this experience while urinating.
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Re: The Sharp Pain Of Being Aware [Re: Ginseng1]
#5574450 - 04/30/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ginseng1 said: How could it be painful then? Pure energy is orgasmic
All energy is not painful? 
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Re: The Sharp Pain Of Being Aware [Re: fireworks_god]
#5574469 - 04/30/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Your nerves are like, what the power-lines are to the earth.. ..you feel it now, .. pain is just an other label! :p
Edited by Gomp (04/30/06 03:52 PM)
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Re: The Sharp Pain Of Being Aware [Re: Ginseng1]
#5574511 - 04/30/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ginseng1 said: How could it be painful then? Pure energy is orgasmic
Only if there is resistance to the flow of energy would there be pain, but in us humans that is very often the case. In fact I think it's "normal" (not healthy) to resist the flow of energy for many, if not most; and most if not all of the time.
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Re: The Sharp Pain Of Being Aware [Re: Icelander]
#5574533 - 04/30/06 04:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Only if there is resistance to the flow of energy would there be pain, but in us humans that is very often the case. In fact I think it's "normal" (not healthy) to resist the flow of energy for many, if not most; and most if not all of the time.
It would be like opening an eye that has never been opened before, but yet is entirely functional. The myriad of intense colors would be overwhelming, yes?
And what of one's senses, that are capable of transmitting the feeling of pain to one's experience? Wouldn't becoming increasingly aware of their signals, all at once, to a greater degree push the threshold of one's normal experience of them a bit?
It isn't necessarily the resistance of energy that is painful. Sometimes conducting energy can be painful, especially when it is an increased amount of energy or a new type of energy that is being conducted. The reason why individuals are not on a pursuit of an increase in awareness, that human beings are not naturally inclined to develop their awareness, is because of this pain, perhaps.
There is no negative attribute of pain. It is simply a signal, an attention-grabbing experience. It is truly only painful, as most experience pain, when it is resisted, but that doesn't mean that it is pleasant when one fully accepts it. It is immediate, it is an alarm, in a sense, it intensely screams "you are alive!".
Eh?
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Re: The Sharp Pain Of Being Aware [Re: fireworks_god]
#5574541 - 04/30/06 04:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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With increasing presence, the sharp experience related to the pain of conditioned existence becomes clearer due to our increase in clarity. As the dullness of our usual mindless distraction dissipates, we uncover more and more of how our condition really is, and this experience is not usually a pleasant one. However with our presence, we can see more clearly the cause of the suffering that we perpetuate through our aversion toward pain and attachment to pleasure, and instead of resisting, we can in that moment let go and embrace our experience, integrating it into our dimension. Letting go of our self-perpetuate habit patterns frees us from the cage of separation we have unknowingly created, allowing space for our real nature to shine through the clouds of ignorance.
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Re: The Sharp Pain Of Being Aware [Re: fireworks_god]
#5574632 - 04/30/06 04:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, I think I know what you mean. Especially when I truly expend effort towards utilizing every ounce of my most clearest focus and attention to every little detail in the present moment. Naturally, my breathing then becomes volitional, my eyes widen, my eyebrows arch and I am "ON". I am truly engaged in THINKING, and I am able to INTEGRATE every thought I have in accordance with the situation at hand, I can file every thought neatly and categorically. It truly takes energy, but compared to wasting energy in a scattered manner like an incandescent bulb, it is a much more focused beam of energy like a laser; it is a much more productive and diligent use of the total 'integrate' that is my nervous system, lungs, heart, brain as well as my volition, faculty of reason and consciousness.
I can more easily differentiate between the stream of content which my mental machinery matches with the content of my interactive environment [an excellent survival mechanism, to be sure], drawing in on my vast bank of memories + imagination, and my volitional, focused Thought.
The price of the initial, sharp "pang" is well worth being in an intentioned state of focus, volition. But one thing that I've noticed, is that sustaining such a state of being becomes rather difficult when there is no immediate purpose. When combined with a Purpose, be it something as simple as making a smooth corner in my car or completing an assigned task, or simply excercising the habit of such volition as I've described here, which can be part of a larger Purpose, which is part of a larger value-system that One has developed.
I think the first time I experienced this -at least, to a substantial degree-, was during a time of stress. Interestingly, I've noted that this was a total reversal of a habit that I'd normally perpetrate when under stress; lapsing into a state of blur, thinking that by "letting it all go", I was getting somewhere. Nope. That was simply a form of evasion. The fundamental choice is to either evade or accept; to choose the reality [harder, but bigger payoffs] orientation or to choose the fantasy [easier, but dangerous consequences] orientation.
Focus/Volition, Reason and Purpose. That's where it's at.
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Nice replies. 
I need to reflect on this more before I can add anything. 
I also need to go do laundry for next week. 
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Re: The Sharp Pain Of Being Aware [Re: fireworks_god]
#5575871 - 04/30/06 11:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said: There is no negative attribute of pain. It is simply a signal, an attention-grabbing experience. It is truly only painful, as most experience pain, when it is resisted, but that doesn't mean that it is pleasant when one fully accepts it. It is immediate, it is an alarm, in a sense, it intensely screams "you are alive!".
Zen monks used to travel a lot from temple to temple, in hoping of finding that one Zen master who would induce their satori, or awakening, that one click that would make them aware.
The feeling that you get on mushrooms is an extremely high level of consciousness, they are catalyst to put you higher - without having to do as much work.
I know the pain you're describing, and I think it is the pain of temptation, that is, the higher you are, the more tempting it is to slide down. For example, I experience this feeling in high levels of altruism, and the more I deny myself, the more I want to break down. But the more I force my will to not indulge, the more powerful I am, the more energy I have. I have not yet fully learned to control that energy, but yet again, I'm still a student.

I've tamed the chi inside me many times however. Once you do control it, the feeling of pain becomes a sense of intensity. You feel like everything around you is water, and you're a bubble of objective observance.
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Re: The Sharp Pain Of Being Aware [Re: Fospher]
#5576584 - 05/01/06 08:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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ive felt it, on mushrooms, it was like a vibration energy wave, resonating in my ears and head then going through my whole body. though it was not painful.
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Re: The Sharp Pain Of Being Aware [Re: fresh313]
#5578074 - 05/01/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i get it not just from resistance but from wanting to write something down or to change something. any craving can go to pain right away. confronting it with awareness and letting it be what it is usually makes a lot of sense to me.
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Re: The Sharp Pain Of Being Aware [Re: Ginseng1]
#5578129 - 05/01/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ginseng1 said: How could it be painful then? Pure energy is orgasmic
yea specially when it comes from an electrical cable.
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