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Destiny and Destinations????????
#5573605 - 04/30/06 10:10 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Another member shared this quote from his blog here in another thread. I think what he said is something many have thought about in their own way at times. This in one that can use mental/feeling scuba gear and wings to explore-
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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 no destiny.
i usually feel like there is something im suposed to be doing. i feel like there is something i dont know yet, something i dont have yet. im always trying to figure it out. im working on a task and i dont even know why im working on it. im starting to think its not really a task. there may be nothing else. i cant conceive of anything else to learn. i cant imagine what the finish line looks like. im starting to think im already there. it could be all a trick. maybe its not only the journey that is more important than the destination, but, maybe there really is no destination. no destiny. why would i think there is meaning? where did that idea come from? its meaningless. no destination.
When I get in that line of thought which is rare, I've sort of been in it myself lately, I feel like I am taking everything that has accumulated within me and have lifted it up and out unto to the lawn to objectively examine.
Where did all of this stuff come from that makes me who I am today? (Where I have been) Where is all of this stuff going to take me? (Where I am going with it)
Talk with your average person and half seem to say its about the destination and the other will say its about the journey.
Is there a difference beyond external destinations we arrive at and internal ones? What comes from out of a journey itself brings us personally to a new place of being internally, a destination point of self.
Either way, it's interesting that when we reach destinations, we are overcome with a sense of comfort security, ei "I've arrived here. I've made it. Ahhhhh and relaxation settles in". It's during the journeys, that sort of security comfort feels left to the winds of fate, (what we don't have control over) and or to the hands of what oneself has mastered (what we do have control over). Often the second requires trust that others will fulfill their roles and parts that will help to take us there.
Where the scuba gear and wings come into play is in the realization that, it's not for long we feel the security comfort and relaxation of having arrived, before it grows pale and a new journey begins.
Thats where I am now, getting here and there so I can take my shoes off and relax, only to find myself, putting them right back on again to embark further only to get the feeling of relaxing with shoes off again.
WTF? Is right! Sure I have long phases of being content right where I am and all is well with the universe just as it is. Then, there is that stirring he discussed of "should I be doing something else, something more?" Things begin to feel as if they stagnate if we don't stay on the proverbial move.
What causes this stirring> Is it destiny calling us to go further? Is there such a thing?
Is it just the product of a never ending journey of self discovery via being on the move?
I touched on this in another thread recently. So many believe in final destinations and..........experience says, "there is no such thing NOW GROK THAT!
Is the trick to get us to feel that way so peaceful contentment and relaxation never sets in or to believe in final destinations here or in the after life to get us to become content with stagnation so we rot along with it and never fulfill destinies?
No one can answer this with 100% assuredness. Which ever one chooses is just that which brings them more personal comfort with their lives.
Maybe it has nothing to do with tricks nor a trick master. Does that idea just stem from moments of either feeling self doubts OR from liking a tricky challenge. Either way its a subjective objectification of something greater, the proverbial cosmic joker.
I laughed at the part where he said he wonders to himself at times, "Why am I doing this task?"
It's the tasks that take you back to square one that make me wonder about all this shit myself.
Weed the garden just so it has room to grow new weeds to be pulled again. Wash the laundry just so it is clean to be worn and dirtied again. Make the bed just so it is inviting to be used and messed up again. Trim or cut your hair just to have it grow out again.
I think all we do to get something to a permanent place is just in vain. I just see resting stops along a never ending journey. Those moments are sweet, to be able to say, "ahhhhhhh I am finally here" or " ahhhhhhhhh it's finally finished." and kick back with shoes off and relax.
Whats so final about anything? It seems thing repeat or can be taken elsewhere further and there is no end to that.
It seems things loop back to the starting point and a repeat occurs OR at Zero point, a window opens into a new dimension and we can escape repeat cycles through it and move unto new territory.
I know I have no desire for a FINAL stop or an eternal rest of my soul. I enjoy relaxation and rest to be sure, its when the stagnation and entrophy begin that, I begin to stir myself up again.
How fresh can any last before it begins to deteriorate, degenerate, spoil and rot? Is ANYTHING immune to that, including soul or spirit?
Either way, I feel like the repeat cycle of "refresh/renew -relax, refresh/renew-relax" will always be.
Refreshing and renewing gets tiring and yet, relaxing for too long gets tiring as well.
Hahahaha a funny image just came to me. It's as if the angel on one shoulder says, "here is a pillow to lay your weary head on and some food and drink" and you indulge. Then the other angel soon lights a fire under your ass and says, "get the fuck up you lazy bum there's work to be done."
Ahhhhhh now I know why some refer to the proverbial devil as The Task Master.
But I don't see it as being a bad thing, nor is rest when needed. I see what is left to deteriorate, degenerate and rot as being a bad thing.
Yin and Yang.
I think I just reworded what the cosmic joke is all about. I had been serious about it lately and I think its time to starting laughing about it again.
Well, I think I just discovered a new destination to embark on. I want to find the place that is immune to rest rot or I should say, if its possible and how it would work.
I appreciate the time anyone took to read this mornings rambling of mine. I would enjoy reading through anyones take off thoughts on this-ESPECIALLY any ideas on developing immunity to rest rot. I feel some ideas pouring in and they are the sort that are just to high for me to fully grasp right now. They have to do with value shifting. Off to explore.......................
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At this point I feel that at any point in my life, I will want something else, and at the point when I want this thing, I will most likely be in the process of working towards something else which I wanted. I think the problem is that we get too attached to our desires, as opposed to taking them for what they are, desires.
Like a desire to rest and stay settled, however feels best NOW. That is great. Do it. But when it stops feeling so great, stop doing it. Don't feel attached to a desire to do what you thought your mission was. Your mission has officialy changed.
I feel like we all decide our own paths as we go, and of course there is no end, because we are constantly shifting, growing, falling, climbing, loving, caring, hating, being.
We are simply beings, being. So be.
I do know how the person in your quote feels though, I have been there, and still sort of am, I am just trying to think logically about what I really think about the subject, instead of what I trick myself into believing.
I truly believe, we just need to start doing what feels right. If it feels right to go do something, go do it, if it feels right to work towards happiness where you are, then do so.
Just my take on things at the moment.
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You definitely understood the topic and that was a nice addition to it. I liked the way you said, for now, its best to rest when you feel the need to let go and rest and to take action when you feel its time to stir before stagnation sets in. Thats pretty much how I have been rolling.
How have you applied logic to the part about the mind tricks?
I'm wondering how that thought stream flows.
Logic to me supports the dynamic of activity and rest keeping the machine humming and all rest leading to deterioration and rot and all activity leading to burn out and break down.
Yeeeeeeeeeet, there is that part of me that tastes a form of self rejuvenating rest on the tip of my tongue. It has no destiny challenges to meet yet, finds fulfillment in the stirring of being the point of destination itself moving around and renews with every moment aware of itself as a new point in and out of space time staying fresh while at rest.
Thanks Micheal  I paused after typing that last paragraphed for a while to think on it more and it clicked, the understanding I think I was after that is. I have to give this new insight a whirl. I think I'm honing in on what the hub bub of harnessing zero point energy (spiritually speaking) is all about after 11 freaking years of being teased with it.
Don't you love that feeling when a few new puzzle pieces make all the other puzzle pieces rearrange and create a new picture?
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Right. I'm pretty sure one of my biggest problems is trying to get everything in my life to be self-sustainable. I want to order pizza so I don't have to go to the effort of cooking. I want a maid so I don't have to clean. In general, I want to be rich so I don't have to toil. But what would I do if I didn't HAVE to do anything? I'd play starcraft, endlessly.
When I play starcraft, I try to set up a perfect defence that is impenetrable. If my bunkers can hold off the zerg so my SCV's can keep mining, I feel like I'm winning the battle. I'm making enough money to keep the forces of darkness at bay. Everything is going smooth and I don't have to worry.
What the fuck kind of life is that? That isn't even the point of the game! No wonder I lose all the time. When I turtle like that I know that it's just to prolong things. I know I should be doing everything I can to battle it out and kick ass, but sometimes I end up just finding that balance to keep the easy peaceful tasks repeating endlessly.
I read this astological tidbit about my sign yesterday. I know, bear with me about the astrology thing, but even if you think the whole thing is kak because it can apply to anyone, take what it has to say for yourself:
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Active, fiery Mars rules Aries and indeed, Aries people are high-spirited, energetic individuals ready to try anything at least once. Courageous, optimistic, and friendly, they are lively participants in the everyday bustle of life, maintaining a frantic pace others find difficult to match. Constant physical activity works off excess energy, and its vitalizing influence is important to their intellectual and creative endeavors. It is usually the energetic Aries who is willing to start projects others would be afraid to tackle. However, it is also Aries who often fails to finish things when too many details demand attention or they simply lose interest. In spite of the physical energy associated with Aries, they are not above using the inability of others to keep up with them as an excuse for their own idleness. If they expect others to provide them with constant stimulation and are unwilling to find their own diversions, they become lazy. Cut off from physical activity, they become depressed, unproductive, and overweight.
This does say a lot about me. If i'm not doing stuff, and I mean like all the time, I'll stagnate. Momentum is everything.
Forget about the destination. Destroying the hatchery doesn't exist. Take it one zergling at a time.
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I am very glad to have helped, I wasn't sure if I was quite on topic.
To make more sense of what I mean by mind tricks, I meant to say that generally I feel like there is some puzzle to figure out here.
I feel like there is something I should be doing that I am not, I feel like I need to do it or not do it, or just figure out what I need to do, and I worry about that. But when I think about it logically, as I did in my previous post, I just feel as though I should do what I want when I want, and simply enjoy every moment of that, and stop worrying about what I could or should be doing.
I think our bodies and minds and souls sometimes will be in the mood for rest, and this will simply feel right at the time and we will know. And when we feel we are starting to rot, as you say, we will know it is time to face some new challenges, and proceed.
In the end, it seems to me it is just one great journey, and this seems to be the best way to approach it. Especially since I strongly believe there are no ends, only means. So we might as well make these means as wonderful as possible.
It is similar to simple day to day acitivites. When playing music for instance, some days I will feel like learning something new and really going for it and inspired and invigorated to play, some days I will feel like playing old tunes and just relaxing and sitting in comfortable knowledge. These feelings come and go, and I never even think of disrespecting them in music, so why would I in life?
The real concern I think, is finding an environment or path in life that will allow you these changes in attitude suddenly and at your own accord. One must be able to relax and strive when he or she so desires.
I feel great just writing these thoughts out, it really helps me realise how silly my concerns are.
Just be here now. I think.
Edited by michael_lifshitz (04/30/06 10:05 PM)
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Re: Destiny and Destinations???????? [Re: recalcitrant]
#5575662 - 04/30/06 10:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You understand what I am talking about too recal! How refreshing to read it from others. I enjoyed reading your reply. Smiled nodding my head all the way through it. Yes, the toil, and the repeat and to get to self sustainment and ease yet, will that become boring and grow stale. Is there a place of proverbial self sustainment and ease that never grows stale is the puzzle piece I have been being teased with finding and the window that lately I have been feeling pressure to open up and slip through.
When I get my recently inspired thoughts together on this, and give it some try out test runs, I may post on it. Thanks for sharing that here. I think many can relate to what we are talking about and never had the words for it.
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So are you suggesting that there is actually a state of constant fulfillment? Without ever feeling like you need more?
I feel like that simply can't be, as long as we have any desires at all, our minds and bodies will always bore and feel different at different times. I don't see any sense in not allowing this natural progression to occur, from energized to tired to relaxed to stale and then back to energized, over and over, enjoying every step of it, and trying to keep the stale and tired parts to a minimum.
I would love to hear what you have to say about a state where this would not be nessecary. I simply can't fathom how it would work.
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I really enjoyed that follow up reply you just did too Micheal! I can really relate. This one especially grabbed me-
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The real concern I think, is finding an environment or path in life that will allow you these changes in attitude suddenly and at your own accord. One must be able to relax and strive when he or she so desires.
The thing is, we are never (in the near future anyway) going to get the rest of the world to cater to that. It's something we are going to have to master affording to ourselves with such grace, it will become a part of the new ease I taste that can be realized.
And that makes me wonder about a possible mind trick at play related to expectations others have of us that we feel we have to live up too. Did they dump them on us or did we put them upon ourselves and are now just projecting our own as coming from others?
I have a housekeeper now, like recal mentioned and man did that bring ease to some repeat toil in my life, yet.......I struggled with feeling lazy about having that. It messed with my head and I started over compensating in other areas of my life to not appear lazy. It was never even about wanting to be lazy. No one even said I was for having one. What made me even think that?
It was about wanting relief from the suffering of the repeat toil that was becoming a huge energy drain that was leading to procrastination and laziness though in the few months before I got them. I saw it coming.
What I want to work with in this new insight is how to pull in rejuvenating energy to compensate for the suckage of some unavoidable repeats. Think of every point moment as being a flash window opening and closing access to renewable energy that makes every moment new simply because IT IS, no matter how many times you have done the same thing.
Because every new moment comes with new energy to provide for its use, the drain must be coming from a closed window. The window must is closed when we are stuck in the past memory of the repeat action or jumping into the future of what we would rather be doing. We are cutting ourselves off from the progressive bits of energy that are provided to us anew in every new moment when we are openly in it and not elsewhere.
I admit that I spend a lot of my time "out of time and energy" and never saw it like that until now-my literally being mentally out of the point in time moment and therefore out of the energy access to it is well. I'm off in the future a lot. That doesn't run the same drain as the past does. Thats serious suckage.
I run into the future to feel out time line probabilities to make choice of which way to go in my nows with. Sometimes, I hang out in them for too long. Projecting into probable futures is a very mental process that requires a lot of energy. It's served me very well though.
If we shift guiding trust over to intuition alone, we never have to jump ahead or look back to know which way is best to go. Intuition is the guiding grace to be in. There was a time last year when I followed it alone and it served me very well too. I wonder why i went back into my head.
I remember why. Inuition will take you places that make no logical sense to yourself or others quite often. Only hindsight makes sense of it. This takes me back to why I appreciated what I quoted from what you said. Here it is again.
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The real concern I think, is finding an environment or path in life that will allow you these changes in attitude suddenly and at your own accord. One must be able to relax and strive when he or she so desires.
I'm going to sit on that one for a while too and look for more keys.
Thanks again Micheal! This convo is sooooo refreshing for me. I feel like I am getting re-synched up after being askew for a spell.
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michael_lifshitz said: So are you suggesting that there is actually a state of constant fulfillment? Without ever feeling like you need more?
I feel like that simply can't be, as long as we have any desires at all, our minds and bodies will always bore and feel different at different times. I don't see any sense in not allowing this natural progression to occur, from energized to tired to relaxed to stale and then back to energized, over and over, enjoying every step of it, and trying to keep the stale and tired parts to a minimum.
I would love to hear what you have to say about a state where this would not be necessary. I simply can't fathom how it would work.
You got that in while I was typing my last reply to you. I have always pretty much seen it in the way you described above, except for times like this when i re-examine it out loud seeing iof others are feeling it, working on it. I suppose I am suggesting such a possibility though I too have no fully comprehensible idea of how it would work. I have bits and pieces though. Thats why I go in phases of thinking on it and then giving up on it. What a puzzle.
Something long ago teased me with the notion that it is possible and it is our destiny. And I wonder why I would come to think on this every so often if it weren't. This would be akin to a "mission destiny" like you mentioned or a calling of sorts.
I have to collect new thoughts on it for while and try some things out. The closest I have come is that appreciating every new moment for simply being and your being cognizant of it within it is a key. Every new moment is a window of new opportunity to love anew, breath anew, feel anew, think anew, sense anew. How can that ever get stale if we work it as such?
I'm off to bed now. Thanks again. Getting the how put together bit by bit is one thing. Getting it into practice is another story. Whatever it is will take a lot of extra energy to sustain and so figuring out how to keep it renewable moment to moment is key.
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