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monstermitch
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Seafood or Lobster Compost
#5571891 - 04/29/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hello, please share infor with me. I study a little bit about the hobby and hear much of h/poo and a goal of h/poo compost as an ideal bulk substrate.
Can other composts such as seafood or lobster compost be used with effectiveness? Or should I just not waste my time with them?
I would appreciate any past experience or wisdom.
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Re: Seafood or Lobster Compost [Re: monstermitch]
#5572014 - 04/29/06 09:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i can't answer your question, but i am curious if this is just a random question or if you actually have access to large amounts of lobster compost?
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if your new to the Hobey definitely do pf jars with brown rice flour BRF vermiculite .......or u may be setting yourself up for discouragement....although if u can get lbs of lobster shit id try it for shure!!!! after! u master some basic cult techniques
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Re: Seafood or Lobster Compost [Re: monstermitch]
#5572193 - 04/29/06 10:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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? would take a long time following these around to make one horse pile.
You need to explain more.
Have you read teks on this somewhere?
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monstermitch
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Re: Seafood or Lobster Compost [Re: KaptKid]
#5573404 - 04/30/06 07:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have been doing this for a while. The brf and verm doesn't cut it. I'm into bulk substrates.
My problem is that I don't have access to weathered or fresh horse poo.
I want to use lobster compost as a sub for h/poo.
I understand that the goal is to look for compost or poo from horses due to their diet of straw and them only having one stomach. I understand the leaching or weathering process to reduce the urine, ammonia, alcohol or whatever.
Yes, I do have access to lots and lots of lobster compost, seafoood compost as well. I have some lobster compost now that I have pasteurized and I am going to give it a shot as a bulk substrate, but it will be a bit before my grain is ready to go.
I wanted to know if any one else has tried this. I am also looking for some info maybe on why seafood/lobster compost is not used or mentioned.
Is it because they are not herbivors and dont have a light and fluffy poo?
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Re: Seafood or Lobster Compost [Re: monstermitch]
#5573415 - 04/30/06 07:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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If the compost is the composted shells, you'll be fine. Crab and lobsters shells make a good buffer to raise ph about the same as oyster shells. RR
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monstermitch
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Re: Seafood or Lobster Compost [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5573420 - 04/30/06 08:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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thanks Roger.
I don't really know if it is the shells or not.
All I have is the product itself, no real info on it. There are no shells is the compost at all. There are several pieces that feel kind of like the meat from the lobster. Same sort of texture and such. No hard pieces, but that's not to say that they didn't use them at some time. I have lots and lots of pure oyster shells broken down quite small though.
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Re: Seafood or Lobster Compost [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5573435 - 04/30/06 08:11 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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see that confused me to RR............ u must have a huge dirt pile of lobster guts/shells and dirt? id like to see this teck and if its successfully.......ocean
water is super concentrated with minerals and vitamins I'm sure lobsters contain mass amounts nutes......maby thell be really potent!!..............
maby someone will die from analytic shock caused from the lobster juice they were grown on! lol i just know some people are allergic to shellfish and i dont
know if cubies or any fungi would suck up the thing that makes em um die.... lol im a noob i know
god my bro is more a noob than i am wtf is wrong with me!! try tenn stud!! there a vendor! of premium horse escerment!
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monstermitch
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Re: Seafood or Lobster Compost [Re: ZEPH]
#5573443 - 04/30/06 08:21 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Interesting point about the allergies zeph.
If I do give it a go, I will have to warn my foaf's that there might be an allergy concern.
I do have quite a good amount of the compost. Not quite a huge pile, but several containers full. I live right on the ocean and such. If this does work, it wont be for a while. Just knocked up the jars yesterday (of wbs).
As a back up I'm having mike send me some of his great equine product, but I don't know when it will arrive. I figured if I had all of this compost, and compost is so nute rich and is used in place of h/poo if done right, than this might just work.
If it does work, I'll start it over and make a very detailed tek on it. I would do this in the first place, but I try to benefit from other's mistakes before I make my own.
We have an enormously powerfull hive community of knowledge, it would be not so smart to just go at this alone and shun the vast amount of experience and wisdom offered here.
Just trying to soak up some of that wisdom.
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Re: Seafood or Lobster Compost [Re: monstermitch]
#5573455 - 04/30/06 08:31 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've read numerous other posts on compost, and not come up with any concrete answers. I understand that there is a very viable system in place, and sticking to it is best. I notice that in dried horse poo and compost there is a lot of straw pices that have been expelled by the equine. Maybe if I shred up some straw and mix it in and let it weather, or not?
It would be a shame to let all this compost go for growing some tulips. We have more than enough tulips and flowers and such. Just a chance to try something new for free.
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Re: Seafood or Lobster Compost [Re: monstermitch]
#5573464 - 04/30/06 08:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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today at hooters ontario ........... i was eating crab legs and oysters.... i thought man that would be jack ass moment if someone started to flip out after they told
the waitress they never ate crab before.and get the whole thing on tape...even tellin the watress " why does my throught itch . and start looking like u cant breath. the look would be pricless LOL..... so really this topic is dejavu 4 me lol.
thats really crul thing to do to someone though but it has its sadistic humor i suppose.
anyway as far of new tecks and substrates fuck yeah man ...i love to experiment !!! my next experiment to see if i can wash the salt off corn nuts leech so to speak and see if i can get it to colonize lol there wasnt any preservitaves as i could tell but the fat content might be an issue hence ............experiment lol
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Re: Seafood or Lobster Compost [Re: ZEPH]
#5573472 - 04/30/06 08:44 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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omg i need to start coppiny cool tecks .......anyway there are these pelets for pets and are 100% pellets and pre heat pasturized !!!!! maby u would consider t
hat! deffinatlly passturize it first.....although iv only done poo spawned with brk cakes...... my grains went to shit from 2 yr old spores then BAMM had to work
on the road so eh i guess ill try grains later
100% straw pelets im a bit drunk lol
i noticed something agin! horses eat hay not straw some horses eat good hay called allphallpha sp and oats ....straw is the stems of hay wich is tall grass...i know my mom has 8 of theem lol
and its to weird tryin to get old horse shit from her( i have before) so i get it from tenn studd lol
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monstermitch
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Re: Seafood or Lobster Compost [Re: ZEPH]
#5573493 - 04/30/06 08:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, I ment hay. I have lots of hay
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Re: Seafood or Lobster Compost [Re: monstermitch]
#5573509 - 04/30/06 09:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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As for poo, you can order it from TennStudd. You can also use wheat straw or coco coir in place of poo as a substrate. There was also another thread recently with pelletized straw from a pet store used as substrate. I'm not sure what your lobster compost consists of, but if it's just shells, I doubt it will work. The shells would be used as a pH buffer, not substrate alone.
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Re: Seafood or Lobster Compost [Re: FooMan]
#5573570 - 04/30/06 09:42 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey FooMan,
No shells at all, just a compost.
I did order from Tenn Studd, but have this to use as well. For a buffer I will use oyster shell.
Why would you sub coir for poo? There is no nutes in coir, right?
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Re: Seafood or Lobster Compost [Re: monstermitch]
#5573586 - 04/30/06 09:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Coir has as much food for mushrooms as manure. That's why it is a great substrate, and a piss poor casing material unless diluted with peat/verm.
If your seafood compost has soft material, I wouldn't risk too much spawn on it, but it would be interesting to see what happens if you have a jar to spare. RR
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Re: Seafood or Lobster Compost [Re: monstermitch]
#5573629 - 04/30/06 10:31 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
monstermitch said: Why would you sub coir for poo? There is no nutes in coir, right?
WBS spawned to straight coir (no casing layer):
 
WBS spawned to h/poo with Jiffy Mix as a casing layer:
 
Like RR said, coir has plenty of nutes, but it's been kind of a one-flush-wonder for me. As you can see, the first flush can be great, even without a casing layer.
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monstermitch
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Re: Seafood or Lobster Compost [Re: FooMan]
#5573834 - 04/30/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks Guys.
Had no idea about the nute level of coir.
I just so happen to have a few bales of it kicking around.
Don't like the one flush thing, but I will certainly try it.
I do have a jar to spare, and I will try it, and I will let you all know, thanks.
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monstermitch
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Re: Seafood or Lobster Compost [Re: monstermitch]
#5573842 - 04/30/06 12:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Is it possible to pasteurize coir in the oven in a turkey pan with foil, oven set at 170?
Should I just sterilize the coir after hydrating it to field capacity.
I haven't worked with coir yet
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Re: Seafood or Lobster Compost [Re: monstermitch]
#5574183 - 04/30/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hydrate it to field capacity, then put in quart jars and place in a large kettle with a lid. A PC works fine for this. Fill with COLD water up to 3/4 of the way up the jars. Put a weight on top of the jars to keep them from floating if that's a problem. Turn on the heat and bring the water to a boil. Keep the pot covered. Allow the water to boil for five minutes, then shut off the stove and walk away for two hours, at which time you can open the pot and remove the jars. If you do this in a large kettle, the inside of the jars of substrate/casing will reach 140F for an hour, while never exceeding 160F. It's the easiest pasteurization tek I've used for small amounts. For much larger amounts, look into the pillow case teks. RR
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