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cruisinalltheway
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Mexico Drug law article
#5570229 - 04/29/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Check out this story I found on CNN http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/04/28/mexico.drugs.ap/index.html If only in America... Of course there are both good and bad sides to this story. What do you guys think?
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KingSpade
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Yet another small step towards legalization in our own home towns
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shneck
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Re: Mexico Drug law article [Re: KingSpade]
#5570340 - 04/29/06 01:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Seems like the New World is gonna get its own Holland.
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Chazzersize
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Re: Mexico Drug law article [Re: shneck]
#5570350 - 04/29/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Like the cops down there really cared anyway. It's not about what you have on you anymore, mainly how much MONEY you have.
A good friend gave me advice about going down there in search for your goodies....never take your debit card with you. Ever.
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EquilibriuM
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Re: Mexico Drug law article [Re: Chazzersize]
#5570393 - 04/29/06 01:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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this is the third thread I have seen about this on this site in the last 2 days...
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AngeloWish
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Re: Mexico Drug law article [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5570496 - 04/29/06 02:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah i posted it in the POLITIKS n' LAW forum...
I think it is cool! :P Come to Mexico n_n
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EquilibriuM
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Re: Mexico Drug law article [Re: AngeloWish]
#5570618 - 04/29/06 02:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I love mexico its a great place, but the cops suck ass.
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Nephlyte
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Re: Mexico Drug law article [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5570825 - 04/29/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yup, the amounts are fairly small. But when they realize that its not a big problem for people to legally have a small amount for personal use, they will expand it, surely.
What i like about the mexican law is that ALL drugs are legalized in small amounts. Even LSD, which we all know to be the most horrible abomination known to man(if you listen to the government, anyway).
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AngeloWish
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Re: Mexico Drug law article [Re: Nephlyte]
#5571084 - 04/29/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Most of the people here are not educated enough in order to difference between weed and heroin i wonder if the ones proposing this law iniciatives do.
There has been a big confusion here anyway, i've been hearing some idiots' comments like "it is finally legalized" and shit... they don't understand what "controled dose" suposed to mean and this news is spreading fast mouth to mouth because mass media have not given propper attention to this event.
*sorry about my english
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EquilibriuM
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Re: Mexico Drug law article [Re: AngeloWish]
#5571135 - 04/29/06 05:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you don't mind me asking, where about in Mexico are you from?
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guri
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Re: Mexico Drug law article [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5571194 - 04/29/06 05:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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so if the police are extremely corrupt (ive never been to mexico but ive heard that they are) then how much would it take to bribe a whole police station to allow a buisness to operate selling it like a store or something? or just a percentage of a profit to certain officials to look the other way...
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Nephlyte
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Re: Mexico Drug law article [Re: guri]
#5573603 - 04/30/06 10:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ya, thats generally how it works in Mexico, so i'm told by several people who lived down there for a period of time. They don't even think of them as bribes anymore. Its more like a tip.
You just make sure to tip your police officer whenever you need him to look the other way, drug deals, traffic violations, or possession.
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MrMolotov
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Re: Mexico Drug law article [Re: Nephlyte]
#5573654 - 04/30/06 10:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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yay somewhere that may be a little less sketch than smoking in sandiego. sure it may only be 5 grams but if you g with 3 or 4 buds and you all have 5 grams you almost have an ounce and heh an ounce,cheap bong or pipe you throw away while down there and a 12pack would lead to an awesome time in a hotel room with your buds (no not that kind of time you sickos unless you wanted ha ha) yeah its best to carry maybe 20-60 in your pickets and leave the rest in your hotel so you just give them the stuff you have.
these two cops on dirt bikes stopped us on Rosarito beach and tried to say we stole camo jackets and combat boots from federal officers. simply because i had heavy duty boots on and my friend had a camp jacket. but we were fine.
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ThreePieceSuit
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Re: Mexico Drug law article [Re: MrMolotov]
#5573723 - 04/30/06 11:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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As mentioned in the news article, the amount of peyote you can legally carry is quite large. I'm for it. If Mexico has it figured out that putting users in prison solves nothing, maybe Canada will figure it out as well. Fingers crossed, guys
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AngeloWish
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I am from Morelia, Michoacan but i live in Guadalajara, Jalisco.
Quote:
As mentioned in the news article, the amount of peyote you can legally carry is quite large.
You can still get into big trouble if they catch you removing an endangered species from the desert, bigger than drug charges of course.
And for buying cops well it depends the region and the bussiness you are willing to run (and it's size of course). The bigger, the more people you have to buy. U can get off from a pot bust with maybe 20 USD but'll need a little more if you want to sell coke needless to talk about local competitors :P
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Edited by AngeloWish (05/01/06 03:42 AM)
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shrooma
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Re: Mexico Drug law article [Re: AngeloWish]
#5576555 - 05/01/06 08:18 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think we should ALL send an email to the president or the appropriate person (perhaps an advisor) saying that we agree who heartedly with the proposition, and we are now considering taking a holiday to Mexico. It should also be pointed out that we don't traffic drugs and we aren't complete dregs (i.e. we have a job, education etc). Does anyone know where to obtain an appropriate email?
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psychonaut_420
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Re: Mexico Drug law article [Re: shrooma]
#5578268 - 05/01/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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when i was in Cancun me and my friends were driving around smoking a blunt a cop got up behind us and pulled us over. he asked for my liscense and i gave him the car info since it was rented. when i gave him the license i put a 20 with it and he just said have a nice day.
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twiggedoubt
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Re: Mexico Drug law article [Re: shrooma]
#5578272 - 05/01/06 06:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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It isn't legalization, its getting rid of laws that arean't even really enforced, cause most cops take bribes. The amount you can legally have is also a bit too small for personal use, half a gram of coke, should be a gram of coke, 25 mgs of heroin shoulda been 100 mgs, etc, though for other drugs the laws work out pretty damn good.
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Re: Mexico Drug law article [Re: twiggedoubt]
#5578531 - 05/01/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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so u still have to buy it from drug dealers right? u cant buy it over the counter.
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AngeloWish
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Re: Mexico Drug law article [Re: sydeq]
#5588106 - 05/03/06 10:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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FOX said "no"... so we have no new law...
Well... i am going back to smoke my illegal to posess herb.
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leery11
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Quote:
ThreePieceSuit said: As mentioned in the news article, the amount of peyote you can legally carry is quite large. I'm for it. If Mexico has it figured out that putting users in prison solves nothing, maybe Canada will figure it out as well. Fingers crossed, guys
everyone has it figured out....... the complication is that illegal drugs make a lot of people including the government tons of money....... we are built upon a prison/police system and so there are plenty of incentives to keep drugs legal. the only ones that haven't "figured it out" are the masses duped by anti-drug propoganda, and the lower level politicians that don't know what they are doing ... I would wager.
if Mexico and Canada legalize, fantastic, but that MAY be more incentive for America to say "well we can't be like them....." and defy their "loose morals" even more strongly.
but this is a very promising event.
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Re: Mexico Drug law article [Re: AngeloWish]
#5588234 - 05/03/06 10:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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He sent it back to Congress for "changes to be made." So who knows but...meh.
Mexico loco.
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leery11
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Re: Mexico Drug law article [Re: Psilocyan]
#5588251 - 05/03/06 10:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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people need to stop caring what the US says.
I say, Mexico, decriminalize drugs....... I say, Mexico, tell the US to mind their own business... they created the drug problems your nation has by starting worldwide prohibition.....
don't be a pansy Mexico!

but Mexico doesn't hear me.
2 lbs of peyote would be wonderful to posess, at the very least I think the Mexicans should completely legalize peyote to show it the proper cultural respect it deserves.
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EquilibriuM
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Re: Mexico Drug law article [Re: leery11]
#5588475 - 05/03/06 11:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/05/03/mexico.drugs.ap/
Mexico's Fox balks at signing drug law
Under U.S. pressure, president backs off decriminalization bill
Thursday, May 4, 2006 Posted: 0134 GMT (0934 HKT)
MEXICO CITY, Mexico (AP) -- Mexican President Vicente Fox refused to sign a drug decriminalization bill Wednesday, hours after U.S. officials warned the plan could encourage "drug tourism."
Fox sent the measure back to Congress for changes, but his office did not mention the U.S. criticism.
"Without underestimating the progress made on the issue, and with sensitivity toward the opinions expressed by various sectors of society, the administration has decided to suggest changes," according to a statement from his office.
Fox said he will ask "Congress to make the needed corrections to make it absolutely clear in our country, the possession of drugs and their consumption are, and will continue to be, a criminal offense."
On Tuesday, Fox's spokesman had called the bill "an advance" and pledged the president would sign it.
But the measure, passed Friday by Congress, drew a storm of criticism because it eliminates criminal penalties for possession of small amounts of heroin, methamphetamines and PCP, as well as marijuana and cocaine.
Weighing in, the U.S. government Wednesday expressed a rare public objection to an internal Mexican political development, saying anyone caught with illegal drugs in Mexico should be prosecuted or given mandatory drug treatment.
"U.S. officials ... urged Mexican representatives to review the legislation urgently, to avoid the perception that drug use would be tolerated in Mexico, and to prevent drug tourism," U.S. Embassy spokeswoman Judith Bryan said.
There are concerns the measure could increase drug use by border visitors and U.S. students who flock to Mexico on vacation.
Bryan said the U.S. government wants Mexico "to ensure that all persons found in possession of any quantity of illegal drugs be prosecuted or be sent into mandatory drug treatment programs."
The legislature has adjourned for the summer, and when it comes back, it will have an entirely new lower house and one-third new Senate members following the July 2 elections, which will also make the outgoing Fox a lame duck.
However, Sen. Jorge Zermeno, of Fox's conservative National Action Party -- a supporter of the bill -- said he thought Congress would be open to changing the legislation to delete a clause that extends to all "consumers" the exemption from prosecution that was originally meant to cover only recognized drug addicts.
"The word 'consumer' can be eliminated so that the only exemption clause would be for drug addicts," Zermeno told The Associated Press. "There's still time to get this through."
The bill contained many points that experts said were positive: it empowered state and local police -- not just federal officers -- to go after drug dealers, stiffened some penalties and closed loopholes that dealers had long used to escape prosecution.
But the broad decriminalization clause was what soured many -- both in Mexico and abroad -- to the proposal.
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