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TonguesInAspic
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Ignorance is bliss
#5569663 - 04/29/06 06:20 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Does anyone ever feel that if they lived a life of pure ignorance and if they didnt try and think about things or strive to learn about thier mind that thier lives would be better or more fulfilling?
Or is their no such thing as pure ignorance and the people who seem ignorant know they are living a lie?
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Lakefingers

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[Edit: only the first two words came up in the post; can't remember exactly what I wrote, but here goes:]
A clich?, if seen just right, can paint a thousand words.
Edited by Lakefingers (05/01/06 05:57 AM)
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dblaney
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The joy of knowledge is a thousand times greater than the joy of ignorance.
-------------------- "What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?" "Belief is a beautiful armor But makes for the heaviest sword" - John Mayer Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin. "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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fireworks_god
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TonguesInAspic said: Does anyone ever feel that if they lived a life of pure ignorance and if they didnt try and think about things or strive to learn about thier mind that thier lives would be better or more fulfilling?
I never feel that way. An inability to be aware of reality and have the means to interact with it on a greater level is a detriment to one's experience of reality.
 Peace.
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If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Retarded or Autistic people have learning disabilities, and they seem like happy people in general as a result.... 
>^;;^<
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BleaK
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im going to post a couple of excerpts from my blog http://blog.myspace.com/resonanceincorp ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tuesday, March 07, 2006 circles
by what means do i acheive understanding? when my eyes see only questions. how can i see my eyes, when i see with my eyes? how can i understand myself, when i understand with myself? how can i understand my suroundings when i cant understand myself?
ignorance
ive heard so much fucking shit. none of it i understand. from practical to theoretical science. it all reaks of bullshit. anytime i inquire about something, i first get a short answer that is completely empty. like why is the sky blue? well cuz it reflects off the ocean! OH!, well WHY is the ocean blue?... later there is a much deeper more elaborate, but in the end, equally empty answer. im fuckin so sick of causality. my mind is a bullet and causality is kevlar. i cant get through. i cant get over. theres no fuckin reason theres no fuckin reason how can there be a cause? how the fuck can i ask how? and how the fuck can i be consumed by a question? fuck your explanation.
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you can read lots more at the address at the beggining. i think to be ignorant is to realize you cannot know anything. ignore the questions, ignore the discrepancy. imagine its okay, your going to heaven, infinite bliss awaits. your on your way, its okay. as soon as you ask, as soon as you think to yourself, maybe. bliss fails, and you are left with uncertainty. to be able to merely act alone, without thought, leaves you free to fully feel.
on that note, i could be wrong. maybe im just not smart enough yet. maybe i need to think more, maybe...
here is another blog clip
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Wednesday, February 15, 2006 no destiny.
i usually feel like there is something im suposed to be doing. i feel like there is something i dont know yet, something i dont have yet. im always trying to figure it out. im working on a task and i dont even know why im working on it. im starting to think its not really a task. there may be nothing else. i cant conceive of anything else to learn. i cant imagine what the finish line looks like. im starting to think im already there. it could be all a trick. maybe its not only the journey that is more important than the destination, but, maybe there really is no destination. no destiny. why would i think there is meaning? where did that idea come from? its meaningless. no destination. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Fospher
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"The more you know, the more you don't know".
People with IQ over 160 have been proven to be highly succeptible to suicide. However, I'd rather be a suicide-prone mad genius than a happy fool. Then again, maybe the happy fool is the genius.
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Basilides
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Re: Ignorance is bliss [Re: dblaney]
#5571457 - 04/29/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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dblaney said: The joy of knowledge is a thousand times greater than the joy of ignorance.

Knowing is Bliss
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BleaK
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Re: Ignorance is bliss [Re: Basilides]
#5571794 - 04/29/06 08:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Basilides said:
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dblaney said: The joy of knowledge is a thousand times greater than the joy of ignorance.

Knowing is Bliss
care to offer your rational for that 1?
-------------------- "You cannot trust in law, unless you can trust in people. If you can trust in people, you don't need law." -J. Mumma
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dblaney
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Re: Ignorance is bliss [Re: BleaK]
#5573447 - 04/30/06 08:24 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sages have said this for millenia, and I have faith that they speak the Truth. Also let me clarify that it's not objective knowledge that I speak of (that is, knowledge of an object), it is rather unitive knowledge.
-------------------- "What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?" "Belief is a beautiful armor But makes for the heaviest sword" - John Mayer Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin. "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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Sinbad
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Sticking ones head in the sand will never solves anything. Recognising and being aware of the underlying causes of ones problems, confusions and the disatisfactory nature of ones life is the first step to solving the problem.
First one realizes that one causes most of ones own suffering needlessly. Second one tries to discover the causes of suffering in ones own life. Knowing the causes for ones suffering, one begins to seek a path to ceasation. One finally discovers a spiritual path, and begins to practice to liberate oneself from the conditions that give rise to suffering.
Those who are always remaining ignorant of the underlying causes, are continually swept along by the winds of causality, not even knowing why, or even how the conditions of suffering arise, let alone how to stop these conditions from arising.
So you can see in this case, not only is ignorance NOT bliss, but in fact it is the cause that prevents one from discovering how to be happy, blissful and free from suffering.
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Edited by Sinbad (04/30/06 05:53 PM)
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Veritas

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Re: Ignorance is bliss [Re: Sinbad]
#5574645 - 04/30/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Indeed.
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MarkostheGnostic
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Re: Ignorance is bliss [Re: Basilides]
#5574891 - 04/30/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Knowing is Bliss
Sat Chit Ananda - Being-Knowledge-Bliss
Knowledge in the sense of gnosis, entails a union of Knower-Knowledge-Known. It is the Abyss between Tiphereth/Rahamim [Beauty/Compassion] and Kether [Crown] on the Kabbalistic Tree of Life, which is to say, btween our Higher Self and GOD.
Why would anyone think that ignorance - the pig in the Tibetan Buddhist Wheel of Life - could result in fulfillment?
-------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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Fucknuckle
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TonguesInAspic said: Does anyone ever feel that if they lived a life of pure ignorance and if they didnt try and think about things or strive to learn about thier mind that thier lives would be better or more fulfilling?
Or is their no such thing as pure ignorance and the people who seem ignorant know they are living a lie?
So how would I learn to wipe my ass ? I would stink like a shit all the time. For that matter I would just lay there and rot. I would be to damn ignorant to kill a beast and eat it anyway. So I wouldn't shit and would have no reason to think I stink because stinking wouldn't be a problem. Yes living in pure ignorance would be perfect. I would be born and shit myself to death. 
Hum............if this was possiable then you would be one step below pond scum. To even ponder your question comes from many trips to the Anti-ignorance biscut.......that is; the thoughts you express come from knowledge not ignorance.
Ignorance is the driving force to experience. Experience is the driving force to wisdom Wisdom is the driving force to bliss, peace, enlightenment etc....
To live at the first step, "ignorance" would be death of my soul. No thanks
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Re: Ignorance is bliss [Re: Fucknuckle]
#5577864 - 05/01/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Life is a continual experience of changing, learning, experiencing, and gaining new wisdom. This process is repeated and each time life gets better. There is no limit to the wisdom that can be gained and one should always strive towards more. Ignorance may provide moments of happiness, but wisdom and enlightenment of the mind and spirit provides fullfillment and peace. I think this can be much more joyous and will lead to a 'succesful' life in one's own opinion.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."-Albert Einstein
"To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant." -Amos Bronson Alcott
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People can choice to do as they wish, but is it really being happy ignoring reality, no matter how harsh it can be sometimes. I would never want to be that way, it's just a false sense of security and in the end I think I'm better off accepting what is real and facts. Some people find rationalists and people with high IQ's a little crazy, but doesn't it seem a little more insane to go about your day ignorant to certain things just so you can put a false smile on your face?
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TonguesInAspic
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Fair enough but what of the truely ignorant who instead of choosing not to learn they do not know there is something to learn therefor they do not have the choice to ignore??
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quillini
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Having a high IQ doesn't equate to knowledge; IQ measures a certain kind of potential, but there are plenty of fools with high IQs running around. Anyone who thinks their IQ proves something is a fool. I'm not saying this out of jealousy because my IQ is just fine. I'm more interested in learning than I am at flaunting knowledge and test scores.
This may sound weird, but in a way, ignorance is better. Let me explain. Back in the day, when I was first learning about Socrates in Humanities class, I very much admired his method of claiming to know nothing. I believe Socrates was sincere in his claim, since many of his ponderings have yet to be ultimately resolved. All Socrates did was ask questions, and his quest was not for concrete answers. Socrates wanted to stir shit. I imagine he felt a great anxiety that his own perception of the world was built upon arbitrary assumptions that could well be true, but are these assumptions indeed arbitrary? How can one know if they are arbitrary? How can one know if they are true? Socrates had no superhuman powers of perception, and he had no wealth of knowledge to draw from. He was ignorant, and he looked past his ego to see that he was ignorant, and he embraced his ignorance. So I guess what I'm wrestling with are definitions. What is knowledge (the opposite of which I suppose is ignorance)?
Knowledge = all the logical conclusions of a prescribed set of axiomatic assumptions
Ignorance = the rejection of all assumptions
Our culture, as with any culture, tends to become stuck in a certain way of thinking from time to time, until some occasional thing comes along that forces us to change or do away with certain basic assumptions. Our logical constructs (knowledge) must then be altered, and our minds are blown. Not to say this is necessarily a bad thing, but the people who loom large in these cosmological changes are always the ones that reject old assumptions (in most cases for new ones).
But on the other hand, Newton said he did what he did because he was standing on the shoulders of giants. This had to involve Newton learning all the knowledge that came before and scrutinizing it before he could rightfully reject it. So by standing on the shoulders of giants, Newton broke their backs. Does this mean he aquired knowledge and by rejecting it reverted to ignorance? After all, only by disregarding much of what he had been taught was he able to come up with all his shit.
Of course, Newton's life was not particularly blissful.
So what is knowledge and what is ignorance? I'm not sure my definitions are sound; it really depends on whether it is always true that one begins life ignorant (tabula rasa? difference?) and proceeds to greater and greater stages of knowledge, or if perhaps we can find ourselves at different stages of knowledge and ignorance, and can move between the two.
Fuck, I don't know.
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Re: Ignorance is bliss [Re: quillini]
#5584739 - 05/03/06 08:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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it's maybe hard to conceive but you're not only moving to the future, it's a double movement and you're also returning home. that's why childhood is so important and indeed the key to solve us. in that state of enchantment you're not really ignorant but only extremely willing to accept life has it comes to you. how often are we surprised by the defying answers that children propose? we just don't have the openness to take them seriously. and furthermore we let them down far too often. there are many simple and classic examples. the child says: I want to go outside and walk along the moonlight. adult's reply: you're crazy. you can't go outside at this time of the night. the night is for sleep. go and moan in your bed. or alternatively the adult's absence, the child that flees and runs the risk of having to discover everything in the inner loneliness. and how difficult that can be... so for you parents or parents soon to be, next time your child comes up with a crazy idea don't just accept or deny it, take the time to guide her through it, and let her hand guide you as well. that's how you walk through eternity, hand in hand, little by little.
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Re: Ignorance is bliss [Re: a_h_w]
#5584749 - 05/03/06 08:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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sometimes i wish i could stop thinking and do solely what my brain rewarded the most endorphins to ALL the time.
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