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International Workers' Day (a name used interchangably with May Day) is the commemoration of the Haymarket Riot of 1886 in Chicago, Illinois, and a celebration of the social and economic achievements of the international labor movement. The 1 May date is used because in 1884 the Federation of Organized Trades and Labor Unions, inspired by labor's 1872 success in Canada, demanded an eight-hour workday in the United States to come in effect as of May 1, 1886. This resulted in a general strike and the riot in Chicago of 1886, but eventually also in the official sanction of the eight-hour workday. The May Day Riots of 1894 and May Day Riots of 1919 occurred subsequently.

Due to these Radical Left overtones, May Day has long been a focal point for demonstrations by various socialist, communist, and anarchist groups. In some circles, bonfires are lit in commemoration of the Haymarket Riot usually right as the first day of May begins. [citation needed] In the 20th century, May Day received the official endorsement of the Soviet Union; celebrations in communist countries during the Cold War era often consisted of large military parades and shows of common people in support of the government.

The Red Scare periods ended May Day as a mass holiday in the United States, a phenomenon which can be seen as somewhat ironic given that May Day originated in Chicago.

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All them bums I see are WHITE, and BLACK.

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I fully support it, people can demonstate their politics however they please.

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my guess not jack shit

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All them bums I see are WHITE, and BLACK.

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I fully support it, people can demonstate their politics however they please.

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Only citizens have the right to demonstrate.. Illegals should all be deported for protesting.

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my guess not jack shit

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The schools will feel something. They get $40 a day per student and the state already said they will watch close to see how much they get.

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All them bums I see are WHITE, and BLACK.

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Apples and Oranges. This isnt about homelessness, its about illegal imigrants comming into the US by the THOUSANDS and the economic disaster that follows.

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downforpot said:
By that logic black people would have never gained citizenship and freedom.

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EquilibriuM said:
Ive said this a hundred times... The problem with legal immigrants, aside from the fact that the process is slow, awkward, and difficult; Is that, legal immigrants have to be paid minimum wage. Doesn't that kind of eliminate the advantage of hiring immigrants in the first place?

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Ekstaza said:
Not in all cases. Farm laborers do not have to paid minimum wage. Immigrants or citizens.

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downforpot said:
We pay legal immigrants less than American citizens that were born in USA.

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Only citizens have the right to demonstrate.. Illegals should all be deported for protesting.

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The schools will feel something. They get $40 a day per student and the state already said they will watch close to see how much they get.

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Ekstaza said:
Not in all cases. Farm laborers do not have to paid minimum wage. Immigrants or citizens.

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EquilibriuM said:
Far too few people of minority race go to college, graduate and take positions of power. This is obviously by design.


Every fight against injustice is a step towards justice. We can step forward, step backward or stay in the same place. Most of the time, we are standing in the same place... What we rarely are aware of, is sometimes when we stand in the same place, we are actually being pushed backwards, like the floor is moving against the direction we face. For a split second we may come to this realization, this is the moment I am in now. The walk forward seems endless, but I think its the steps we take that count.


If you an follow, God bless you.

If you cant, God help you.






Viva la revolucion.

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EquilibriuM said:
Far too few people of minority race go to college, graduate and take positions of power. This is obviously by design.

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Seuss said:
*laugh*  Try living in a country outside the US for a while and get back to me on this one. 

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Of all my gripes against the US, I must admit that it is one of the few countries in the world that a minority with absolutely nothing has the potential to do whatever they want, even become the president.

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It may be difficult, and more so being a minority, but at least it is possible.

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When was the last time you worried about US soldiers breaking in your door, killing your father and raping your mother in front of you because your father sent an email that did not agree with the president?

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> Every fight against injustice is a step towards justice.

... and who, exactly, decides what is just and what is injust?

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> Most of the time, we are standing in the same place...

Stability.

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AaronEvil said:
I notice two things about this protest. One, I am in San Diego, California (basically hugging the border) and I have noticed no change today. Second, these people arent protesting anything IMO. If there was a bill that would deport all illegals by a certain date, imprison them, kill them, ect. it would be different. What I see going on is that they were upset about the bill proposed that didnt pass. I was against the bill, and I am for immigration reform, but I dont think ditching school or work is going to send the right message at this point. I also believe that one day of protesting isnt going to do anything. Lets face it, these people CAN afford to miss one day but cannot afford to miss a month. If they missed a month they would be fired and replaced by someone who is willing to work and willing to protest on their own time. I just find it amusing.

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EquilibriuM said:
It is about immigration reform. What does it matter that everyone agrees with it, if no one DOES ANYTHING about it?

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EquilibriuM said:
It is about immigration reform. What does it matter that everyone agrees with it, if no one DOES ANYTHING about it?

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That issue has been talked about in Congress for many years. Its just a hard issue to resolve. I agree that the bill proposed recently is a bad bill, which is why it didnt pass. What I dont understand is the PROTESTING. The ditching work and school to make a "point" that immigration needs to be reformed, which is something we know in every branch of Government. When I say WE I am speaking of the national government (as far as I have read), not you and I. It seems to me people just want some reason to leave work and school. To me, it makes more of a statement if you go to work, go to school and protest in your free time. It says to me that you are an upstanding citizen and the issue is something you care enough about that you will spend your free time fighting for it. With that said, I have yet to hear a solution from the people protesting that doesnt involve rewarding criminals. I still think its a BS reason to take a day off without having to take responsibility for your actions. I hope many of them get fired or fail classes.

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I think one of the most interesting contradictions in this debate is that a large portion of the proponents should arguably have no place in our political process - as policy governing our nation should be hashed out through its citizens and congressmen, and therefore many have stated that the opinions of the illegal immigrants who are protesting should really hold no bearing. I'd like to know the answer to a question which was proposed today on "To the Point" (an NPR day program produced here in Los Angeles): Is policy made in Washington, or is it made in the streets? It will be interesting to see..

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AaronEvil said:

Its just a hard issue to resolve. I agree that the bill proposed recently is a bad bill, which is why it didnt pass. What I dont understand is the PROTESTING. The ditching work and school to make a "point" that immigration needs to be reformed, which is something we know in every branch of Government.

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Give it a fucking rest. From the link.

It goes on. What? Children working on their parent's farm or working to replace their piece work parents. "16 or under". Children.

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Redstorm said:
Minorities can't reach positions of power? You must have missed the memo about Condi Rice and Mr. Powell.

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Amnesty for current immigrants: They are here, they are working, and our economy has been flexible enough to assimilate them into it. To suddenly remove millions of immigrants from our working economy would cause serious economic and social tremors in the near term. The only practical thing to do, is to let them stay, work, tax them, and the system goes on as it has for the past many years, without any disruption or rearrangement necessary.

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Ekstaza said:
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"Virtually all employees engaged in agriculture are covered by the Act in that they produce goods for interstate commerce. There are, however, some exemptions which exempt certain employees from the minimum wage provisions, the overtime pay provisions, or both.

Employees who are employed in agriculture as that term is defined in the Act are exempt from the overtime pay provisions. They do not have to be paid time and one half their regular rates of pay for hours worked in excess of forty per week.

Agriculture does not include work performed on a farm which is not incidental to or in conjunction with such farmer's farming operation. It also does not include operations performed off a farm if performed by employees employed by someone other than the farmer whose agricultural products are being worked on.

Any employer in agriculture who did not utilize more than 500 "man days" of agricultural labor in any calendar quarter of the preceding calendar year is exempt from the minimum wage and overtime pay provisions of the FLSA for the current calendar year. A "man day" is defined as any day during which an employee performs agricultural work for at least one hour.

Additional exemptions from the minimum wage and overtime provisions of the Act for agricultural employees apply to the following:

* Agricultural employees who are immediate family members of their employer
* Those principally engaged on the range in the production of livestock
* Local hand harvest laborers who:commute daily from their permanent residence, are paid on a piece rate basis in traditionally piece-rated occupations, and were engaged in agriculture less than thirteen weeks during the preceeding calendar year
* Non-local minors, 16 years of age or under, who are hand harvesters, paid on a piece rate basis in traditionally piece-rated occupations, employed on the same farm as their parent, and paid the same piece rate as those over 16."

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Seuss said:

By giving amnesty to all current ILLEGAL immigrants, we are screwing over every single LEGAL immigrant.  We also reward all the people that smuggle illegals into the country.  I don't agree that letting the squaters stay is the only practical thing to do.  Deport them and increase the quotas allowing more legal immigrants in to fill the void.  Reward the people that are following the rules while maintaining the status quo with legal immigrant workers.

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In efforts to clarify my position, I do not feel that letting the squaters stay is the only practical thing to do (poor choice of words on my part), rather that it is seemingly the most practical, now that we are where we are.  I do not condone people immigrating into our country illegally, but I also do not condone wasting our resources in a vain attempt to reverse history.  Maybe we can get away with deporting millions of people, but in my opinion the cost (both social and economic) would far outway the benefit of good principle.  It's a terribly difficult concession to endorse, and not one I am happy about considering how strongly I feel about morals and ethics; but I'd rather see our economy continue undisturbed, while simultaneously increasing revenue in the way of taxes, than try to take retroactive and costly steps in efforts to "undo" a situation that never should have transpired in the first place. 

You have definitely given me something more to think about however, as I was admittedly not even considering the implications to those who have taken and are taking the legal pathway towards US citizenship.  A very valid concern indeed.

.. But, with a head full of acid making itself known to me, I must respectfully take my leave.

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* Agricultural employees who are immediate family members of their employer
* Those principally engaged on the range in the production of livestock
* Local hand harvest laborers who:commute daily from their permanent residence, are paid on a piece rate basis in traditionally piece-rated occupations, and were engaged in agriculture less than thirteen weeks during the preceeding calendar year
* Non-local minors, 16 years of age or under, who are hand harvesters, paid on a piece rate basis in traditionally piece-rated occupations, employed on the same farm as their parent, and paid the same piece rate as those over 16."

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Particularly note the bolded phrase above, "Virtually all, from YOUR link. Now look at your statement. "Farm laborers do not have to be paid minimum wage." Now if you had said some farm laborers don't have to be paid minimum wage, I would not have called bullshit, because I was well aware of the family member exemption. But that is not what you said. What you said was bullshit. Pwned. Hoist by your own petard, as it were.

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