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The May 1st March.
#5568997 - 04/28/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Is this a big deal to people from other parts of the country?
It is here in SoCal. So big in fact that the place I work at put up a sign up sheet and gave Monday off to anyone who signed it.
Its going to be anarchy as millions of mexicans dont report for work and schools sit empty of students. Cars will go unwashed, dishes will pile up on tables and no one will be around to sell non inspected thirld world swamp water grown fresh fruit from the back of an old truck.
Seriously, around here this thing is HUGE. But is it so huge where your from?
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: GabbaDj]
#5569110 - 04/28/06 11:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have never heard of it... but no doubt it will be a big deal.
What is the reason for this?
Btw I just moved from southern california.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: GabbaDj]
#5569114 - 04/28/06 11:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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yea, this shit is huge. a bunch of people i know will be apart of this. me? naw, i got better things to do.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: GabbaDj]
#5569433 - 04/29/06 01:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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im from chicago & there is a demo on monday that is expecting 500,000 people.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: GabbaDj]
#5569443 - 04/29/06 01:42 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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i had to abort my vacation because mexicans kept taking all the protest days off.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: GabbaDj]
#5569499 - 04/29/06 02:15 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mexicans = Germans/Goths.
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"third world swamp water grown fresh fruit from the back of an old truck."
This country was built on the backs of immigrants from drunken Mick's to drunken Spic's. To discriminate is ridiculous, these people are under appreciated, their not looking for hand outs, they flood home improvement centers looking for work. All them bums I see are WHITE, and BLACK. If you are in So Cal I formally invite you to come down to the protest and make your remarks! Its your governments fault for the lack of jobs, not the people working for minimum wage picking fruit and washing dishes. People in America are with out Jobs because of laziness.
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Racism? Or factual and undeniable folk migration?
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: GabbaDj]
#5569627 - 04/29/06 05:33 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cops to Greet Alien Rallies with Civil Disobedience
by Scott Ott
(2006-04-28) ? As May 1st draws near and America prepares for the hardship and suffering of ?A Day without Illegal Immigrants?, the Justice Department announced today plans to mark the protest movement with its own act of civil disobedience.
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said he?ll encourage federal, state and local law enforcement on Monday to respond to illegal immigration rallies by observing ?A Day without Miranda Rights? followed by ?A Month without Habeas Corpus? and ?A Year without Bail.?
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: Slooch]
#5569668 - 04/29/06 06:28 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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From Wikopedia, take it for what it is worth.
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International Workers' Day (a name used interchangably with May Day) is the commemoration of the Haymarket Riot of 1886 in Chicago, Illinois, and a celebration of the social and economic achievements of the international labor movement. The 1 May date is used because in 1884 the Federation of Organized Trades and Labor Unions, inspired by labor's 1872 success in Canada, demanded an eight-hour workday in the United States to come in effect as of May 1, 1886. This resulted in a general strike and the riot in Chicago of 1886, but eventually also in the official sanction of the eight-hour workday. The May Day Riots of 1894 and May Day Riots of 1919 occurred subsequently.
Due to these Radical Left overtones, May Day has long been a focal point for demonstrations by various socialist, communist, and anarchist groups. In some circles, bonfires are lit in commemoration of the Haymarket Riot usually right as the first day of May begins. [citation needed] In the 20th century, May Day received the official endorsement of the Soviet Union; celebrations in communist countries during the Cold War era often consisted of large military parades and shows of common people in support of the government.
The Red Scare periods ended May Day as a mass holiday in the United States, a phenomenon which can be seen as somewhat ironic given that May Day originated in Chicago.
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All them bums I see are WHITE, and BLACK.
Yes, I can attest to this as well. I live in Chicago and there are bums everywhere - most are black and the rest are white. Never do you see Mexican bums or other immigrants. Immigrants work and have pride as well as under-the-radar community support networks - they take care of each other.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: GabbaDj]
#5571579 - 04/29/06 07:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I live here in LA and know a few who say they will dip out on work. I honestly think it will not be as HUGE as the media around here is making it. I think it'll be as signifigant as the marches a month or two ago. I fully support it, people can demonstate their politics however they please. A point will be made about how important imigrants are to the economy. A point that I feel has already been brought to attention.
Sure some businesses net profit for the day may suffer a percentage or be shorthanded for employees. But I fail to see how this will have anymore a lasting impact beyond the media spectacle it creates.
I mean, come on, anarchy?
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: DirtMcgirt]
#5571909 - 04/29/06 09:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I hope the statisticians are keeping track.............how bad will this effect our economy?????...........my guess not jack shit
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: DirtMcgirt]
#5572079 - 04/29/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I fully support it, people can demonstate their politics however they please.
Only citizens have the right to demonstrate.. Illegals should all be deported for protesting.
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my guess not jack shit
The schools will feel something. They get $40 a day per student and the state already said they will watch close to see how much they get.
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All them bums I see are WHITE, and BLACK.
Apples and Oranges. This isnt about homelessness, its about illegal imigrants comming into the US by the THOUSANDS and the economic disaster that follows.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: GabbaDj]
#5572893 - 04/30/06 01:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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If I am not working that day, I'll make a drive to Chicago.
I'll drive out there just for the entertainment aspect, however, so I can argue with the Communists and laugh at the anarchists.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: GabbaDj]
#5573790 - 04/30/06 11:38 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I fully support it, people can demonstate their politics however they please.
Only citizens have the right to demonstrate.. Illegals should all be deported for protesting.
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my guess not jack shit
The schools will feel something. They get $40 a day per student and the state already said they will watch close to see how much they get.
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All them bums I see are WHITE, and BLACK.
Apples and Oranges. This isnt about homelessness, its about illegal imigrants comming into the US by the THOUSANDS and the economic disaster that follows.
By that logic black people would have never gained citizenship and freedom.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: downforpot]
#5574129 - 04/30/06 01:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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downforpot said: By that logic black people would have never gained citizenship and freedom.
I don't recall any slave ships from Mexico.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: Ekstaza]
#5574181 - 04/30/06 02:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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But do you recall a demand for hard working labor? Heh. Right now my folks are doing major construction and remodeling, we aren't hiring Americans. We hire immigrants who work their asses off and get the job done for less than Americans.
Fucking costs 1500 to open up the basement floor and replace only 3 feet of a pipe. Now we decided to replace the whole system under the basement floor and we won't be hiring Americans, sorry, no MONEY FROM US TO YOU, BITCH.
Our neighbors who are mexican immigrants helped us plant grass in our backyard, for free... But they gave us their business card cause we need more work done
My dad bought them some Carona beer but they declined. Shit, I am an immigrant myself.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: downforpot]
#5574193 - 04/30/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have no problem hiring LEGAL immigrants.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: Ekstaza]
#5574208 - 04/30/06 02:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ive said this a hundred times... The problem with legal immigrants, aside from the fact that the process is slow, awkward, and difficult; Is that, legal immigrants have to be paid minimum wage. Doesn't that kind of eliminate the advantage of hiring immigrants in the first place?
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Not in all cases. Farm laborers do not have to be paid minimum wage. Immigrants or citizens.
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Edited by Ekstaza (04/30/06 06:16 PM)
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EquilibriuM said: Ive said this a hundred times... The problem with legal immigrants, aside from the fact that the process is slow, awkward, and difficult; Is that, legal immigrants have to be paid minimum wage. Doesn't that kind of eliminate the advantage of hiring immigrants in the first place?
Minimum wage is not a relevant consideration for workers around here whether they're legal immigrants, illegal immigrants or natives. Going rate for unskilled grab off the street workers is at least $80 CASH per day. Plus lunch. That's $10 an hour. Untaxed. (Anybody who thinks that they declare their cash income and pay taxes on it is a complete idiot).
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: Ekstaza]
#5574315 - 04/30/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ekstaza said: Not in all cases. Farm laborers do not have to paid minimum wage. Immigrants or citizens.
Bullshit.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: zappaisgod]
#5574494 - 04/30/06 03:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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We pay legal immigrants less than American citizens that were born in USA.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: downforpot]
#5574503 - 04/30/06 03:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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downforpot said: We pay legal immigrants less than American citizens that were born in USA.
Who is this mystical WE? And what does this have to do with my post about minimum wage.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: zappaisgod]
#5574738 - 04/30/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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if the situation for illegal immigrants is so bad here in the USA then they should head on down south into Mexico where they can protest all they want! i don't have a big problem with them here, they're better than the ones not working and collecting a check anyway, but you don't get to come in illegal and then walk off your job like somebody owes you something.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: GabbaDj]
#5574740 - 04/30/06 05:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Only citizens have the right to demonstrate.. Illegals should all be deported for protesting.
Aliens and citizens alike should be able to express their opinion in America however they please without threat of government oppression. Even if Al queada demonstrated here in America I would support their right to do it. I would also support the right of every NRA member within 100 miles to make a pilgrimage to the demonstration site.
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The schools will feel something. They get $40 a day per student and the state already said they will watch close to see how much they get.
Huh? Sorry, I don't understand. So are you suggesting that schools are going to receive less money because let's say 70% of the student body of one school doesn't show up for one day? Does the state send checks to each individual school every day based on a head count? Even if that was the case on May 2nd everything will go back to normal anyways.
Or is that $40 a day is probably just a broken down number to quantify state aid to local school districts based on attendance.
Either I missed something or you are being duped by all the self serving chest beating going on around here by some Mexicans who think that this is going to really be some enormous historical event that shakes the republic.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: zappaisgod]
#5574849 - 04/30/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ekstaza said: Not in all cases. Farm laborers do not have to paid minimum wage. Immigrants or citizens.
Bullshit.
Read it and weep sucker
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: GabbaDj]
#5575387 - 04/30/06 09:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Far too few people of minority race go to college, graduate and take positions of power. This is obviously by design.
Every fight against injustice is a step towards justice. We can step forward, step backward or stay in the same place. Most of the time, we are standing in the same place... What we rarely are aware of, is sometimes when we stand in the same place, we are actually being pushed backwards, like the floor is moving against the direction we face. For a split second we may come to this realization, this is the moment I am in now. The walk forward seems endless, but I think its the steps we take that count.
If you an follow, God bless you.
If you cant, God help you.
Viva la revolucion.
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EquilibriuM said: Far too few people of minority race go to college, graduate and take positions of power. This is obviously by design.
Every fight against injustice is a step towards justice. We can step forward, step backward or stay in the same place. Most of the time, we are standing in the same place... What we rarely are aware of, is sometimes when we stand in the same place, we are actually being pushed backwards, like the floor is moving against the direction we face. For a split second we may come to this realization, this is the moment I am in now. The walk forward seems endless, but I think its the steps we take that count.
If you an follow, God bless you.
If you cant, God help you.
Viva la revolucion.
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>> Only citizens have the right to demonstrate.. Illegals should all be deported for protesting.
> Aliens and citizens alike should be able to express their opinion in America however they please without threat of government oppression.
I have no problem with LEGAL immigrants holding a peacful protest, but ILLEGAL aliens should be deported.
> Far too few people of minority race go to college, graduate and take positions of power. This is obviously by design.
*laugh* Try living in a country outside the US for a while and get back to me on this one. Of all my gripes against the US, I must admit that it is one of the few countries in the world that a minority with absolutely nothing has the potential to do whatever they want, even become the president. It may be difficult, and more so being a minority, but at least it is possible. When was the last time you worried about US soldiers breaking in your door, killing your father and raping your mother in front of you because your father sent an email that did not agree with the president?
> Every fight against injustice is a step towards justice.
... and who, exactly, decides what is just and what is injust?
> Most of the time, we are standing in the same place...
Stability.
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EquilibriuM said: Far too few people of minority race go to college, graduate and take positions of power. This is obviously by design.
I call bullshit. Affirmative action is kicking ass in some places. I have no problem with minorties coming up, but assistance should be equally applied.
I definitely do not believe that their is some deciding council on keeping minorties in their place. Much of what keeps a person of minority background from achieving success in America, is the attitude that they bring to the table with them.
If a person wants to succeed in America, they just have to do it. There are assistance programs in place for all races here.
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I've been waiting to make some purchases untill today. I'm going to buy a car, do all my grocery shopping, buy some clothes, etc...
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: Ekstaza]
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You guys misunderstand my message. Sure any minority member can hold a small position of "power" but that power is limited to the design of the system. They do not/will not hold the ability to make any "real" changes to the design.
You can be as different as you want, as long as you are the same.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said: *laugh* Try living in a country outside the US for a while and get back to me on this one.
I'm not talking about other countries. I'm talking about the US. Sure other countries are fucked up. That somehow makes the US perfect?
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Of all my gripes against the US, I must admit that it is one of the few countries in the world that a minority with absolutely nothing has the potential to do whatever they want, even become the president.
*laugh* thats never going to happen.
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It may be difficult, and more so being a minority, but at least it is possible.
Its possible that I will not only discover a cure for aids and cancer but also a machine for teleporting people.
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When was the last time you worried about US soldiers breaking in your door, killing your father and raping your mother in front of you because your father sent an email that did not agree with the president?
Again, thats totally irrelevant to the argument, WTF.
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> Every fight against injustice is a step towards justice.
... and who, exactly, decides what is just and what is injust?
Your heart tells you that.
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Stability.
If going nowhere is what you consider positive...
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: GabbaDj]
#5576832 - 05/01/06 11:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not to be a total whore, but I'd love to see some more intelligent debate in a smilar thread on this topic over in our loosely-regulated Pub forum. I feel that there are many people participating there that simply do not take the time to look into the underlying issues regarding this situation. That is, if any of you feel the urge to add some constructive participation to the other thread, I'm sure it would be appreciated: [Link to "The day without illegal immigrants"].
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: geokills]
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I notice two things about this protest. One, I am in San Diego, California (basically hugging the border) and I have noticed no change today. Second, these people arent protesting anything IMO. If there was a bill that would deport all illegals by a certain date, imprison them, kill them, ect. it would be different. What I see going on is that they were upset about the bill proposed that didnt pass. I was against the bill, and I am for immigration reform, but I dont think ditching school or work is going to send the right message at this point. I also believe that one day of protesting isnt going to do anything. Lets face it, these people CAN afford to miss one day but cannot afford to miss a month. If they missed a month they would be fired and replaced by someone who is willing to work and willing to protest on their own time. I just find it amusing.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: AaronEvil]
#5577035 - 05/01/06 11:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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AaronEvil said: I notice two things about this protest. One, I am in San Diego, California (basically hugging the border) and I have noticed no change today. Second, these people arent protesting anything IMO. If there was a bill that would deport all illegals by a certain date, imprison them, kill them, ect. it would be different. What I see going on is that they were upset about the bill proposed that didnt pass. I was against the bill, and I am for immigration reform, but I dont think ditching school or work is going to send the right message at this point. I also believe that one day of protesting isnt going to do anything. Lets face it, these people CAN afford to miss one day but cannot afford to miss a month. If they missed a month they would be fired and replaced by someone who is willing to work and willing to protest on their own time. I just find it amusing.
This isn't the first protest, and it wont be the last. Have you seen the HBO movie "walkout" ? If you have not, you should.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: AaronEvil]
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To think, that no one will receive a properly folded burrito today.........
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I know its not the first, but my main point was mainly that they arent protesting anything. They should be lobbying or something more relevant than protesting. If anyone knows the REASON they are protesting I would love to hear it. My friend (whos family is not legally here) is protesting because she wants immigration reform. It doesnt seem right to protest and idea that everyone agrees with. You PROTEST something you disagree with. So what are they protesting right now?
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: AaronEvil]
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It is about immigration reform. What does it matter that everyone agrees with it, if no one DOES ANYTHING about it?
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EquilibriuM said: It is about immigration reform. What does it matter that everyone agrees with it, if no one DOES ANYTHING about it?
That issue has been talked about in Congress for many years. Its just a hard issue to resolve. I agree that the bill proposed recently is a bad bill, which is why it didnt pass. What I dont understand is the PROTESTING. The ditching work and school to make a "point" that immigration needs to be reformed, which is something we know in every branch of Government. When I say WE I am speaking of the national government (as far as I have read), not you and I. It seems to me people just want some reason to leave work and school. To me, it makes more of a statement if you go to work, go to school and protest in your free time. It says to me that you are an upstanding citizen and the issue is something you care enough about that you will spend your free time fighting for it. With that said, I have yet to hear a solution from the people protesting that doesnt involve rewarding criminals. I still think its a BS reason to take a day off without having to take responsibility for your actions. I hope many of them get fired or fail classes.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: AaronEvil]
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EquilibriuM said: It is about immigration reform. What does it matter that everyone agrees with it, if no one DOES ANYTHING about it?
That issue has been talked about in Congress for many years. Its just a hard issue to resolve. I agree that the bill proposed recently is a bad bill, which is why it didnt pass. What I dont understand is the PROTESTING. The ditching work and school to make a "point" that immigration needs to be reformed, which is something we know in every branch of Government. When I say WE I am speaking of the national government (as far as I have read), not you and I. It seems to me people just want some reason to leave work and school. To me, it makes more of a statement if you go to work, go to school and protest in your free time. It says to me that you are an upstanding citizen and the issue is something you care enough about that you will spend your free time fighting for it. With that said, I have yet to hear a solution from the people protesting that doesnt involve rewarding criminals. I still think its a BS reason to take a day off without having to take responsibility for your actions. I hope many of them get fired or fail classes.
I don't know if you have been watching the news, but alot of the protesters have been encouraging people to go after work or after school, alot of the protesters have requested/been given the day off of work. They aren't going to be paid if they don't show up, what kind of responsibility should they have to face?
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Im speaking based on what I am seeing rather than what is being encouraged. I had a Psycology class this morning which has a very diverse population. There were 10 kids out of about 35 that showed up. There were notes on a lot of the classroom doors where teachers posted absent slips because they were not showing up. I left my class at one of the most crowded points in the day and the parking lots were fairly empty. I would love to say that what I see is responsibility, but based on the facts (again only the things I have seen) I have to conclude that a majority of people are not doing this in their free time.
My girlfriend also told me here work is very under staffed today. She works for a government contractor. To me... its ridiculous. Im not asking anyone to agree, I just want to know WHY they are protesting an idea everyone agrees on and what their resolution to the issue is.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: AaronEvil]
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: AaronEvil]
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I think that the point of the protest is to put pressure on politicians to take action. All they have done so far is beat around the bush, sure they talk about it, but they haven't done shit. I'm not sure the protesters have the solution, I'm also not sure it is their job to produce one...
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: AaronEvil]
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What is this idea that "everyone agrees on" ? I understand that most people believe something needs to be done about immigration policy... however as for what specifically needs to be done, I do not see universal agreement at all. If there were, reform bills would be passing both the house and the senate, and there would be little need for such large protest. Granted, I don't believe that today's protests are necessary - as supporters of more lenient immigration reform already have gained considerable momentum through protests over the last month. To call for a nationwide boycott may even be counterproductive given that a boycott is something that I feel should be used in the event of political a roadblock - however the issue of immigration has made it to light and is being actively discussed, perhaps not by the House, but certainly by the Senate and the populous at large. A boycott may work against proponents of lenient reform in that it will harden the stance of their opponents, in essense - taking this a step too far. Then again, I do see clearly the intention to let more Americans know and experience within their own daily lives, the impact that the immigrant community has on our society and economy. Even so, I don't think the results of today's protests will be easily quantifiable by any means.
Speaking personally - here in Los Angeles this matter is getting widespread press, as I'm sure it is over much of the nation, but it is also fairly visible here in public. Driving around today I noticed a marked decrease in traffic on the roadways, and generally a quieter atmosphere all around the outskirts of the city from northern Los Angeles into Orange County. I do see some businesses closed, but many are still open in the outlaying communities. One thing for certain, here in Los Angeles the public interest has been tapped well and this matter will not be drying up anytime soon.
I think one of the most interesting contradictions in this debate is that a large portion of the proponents should arguably have no place in our political process - as policy governing our nation should be hashed out through its citizens and congressmen, and therefore many have stated that the opinions of the illegal immigrants who are protesting should really hold no bearing. I'd like to know the answer to a question which was proposed today on "To the Point" (an NPR day program produced here in Los Angeles): Is policy made in Washington, or is it made in the streets? It will be interesting to see..
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: geokills]
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Im saying the idea of immigration reform is agreed upon. That being said, they are (in my opinion) prostesting nothing. I dont see a solution to the issue, nor am I proposing one, just the same as I am not protesting. I think they should lobby for immigration reform rather than boycott. We cant all agree on a resolution because we all disagree on what that resolution would be. That is why we should be writing our representatives and let them know what it is WE want. I dont think a public outrage like this is necessary at this point in time. I do think that in some circumstances this situation would benefit some sort of group. But as of now... its pointless and can get irritable.
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I think one of the most interesting contradictions in this debate is that a large portion of the proponents should arguably have no place in our political process - as policy governing our nation should be hashed out through its citizens and congressmen, and therefore many have stated that the opinions of the illegal immigrants who are protesting should really hold no bearing. I'd like to know the answer to a question which was proposed today on "To the Point" (an NPR day program produced here in Los Angeles): Is policy made in Washington, or is it made in the streets? It will be interesting to see..
I would assume that they arent in support of immigration, but in support of legal immigration reform. At least that is what I have been taking from all these stances people have. If they are infact supporting illegal immigration, I would probably hold a counter protest.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: AaronEvil]
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> I dont see a solution to the issue, nor am I proposing one, just the same as I am not protesting.
Well, I am not protesting either; but I would like to propose a potential solution that I outlined in the Pub thread I linked above. The underlying necessity to any type of immigration reform, is to effectively protect/police both our borders and our employers. Afterall, regardless of whether or not the current lot of illegal immigrants are granted amnesty; unless employers are given an incentive to stop hiring illegal immigrants, and unless our border is protected - more illegal immigrants will continue to arrive as long as there are jobs here willing to take them. Therefore, in line with suggestions proposed by Chris Matthews of NBC's Hardball program, I would like to see:- Amnesty for current immigrants: They are here, they are working, and our economy has been flexible enough to assimilate them into it. To suddenly remove millions of immigrants from our working economy would cause serious economic and social tremors in the near term. The only practical thing to do, is to let them stay, work, tax them, and the system goes on as it has for the past many years, without any disruption or rearrangement necessary.
- Actively monitor and punish employers who hire non-documented immigrants: As stated above, if employers realize that they can't get away with hiring illegals, then it stands to reason that they will hire legal workers instead, even if they have to pay them slightly more. A 10% increase in worker pay is a small price compared to serious federal fines and even jail time... and once the employers stop hiring non-documented workers, the rapid influx of illegal immigrants will naturally slow due to the reduced incentive.
- Strengthen Border Security: In conjunction with policing American employers, a strengthening of the border will aid in further reducing the influx of illegal immigrants who may wish to work "under the table" jobs such as house cleaning or baby-sitting. While our borders are probably too large to fully protect on a reasonable budget at the current time, there should still be additional measures to reduce the relative ease of human smugglers from bringing in immigrants. Every little bit of added security will help, however I do feel that this part of the solution is secondary to the active policing of American businesses.
- Set new & flexible standards for legal immigration: The idea here is to maintain active review of emerging job opportunities in the United States, and accordingly increase or hold steady the number of allotted legal immigrants that are eligible for green cards or citizenship. As it stands, there most certainly seems to be a disparity, as domestic unemployment has been falling, while the number of immigrants (legal + illegal) has been rising, and therefore a logical conclusion is that in fact our economy can support an additional immigrant work force. It just so happens that with the current immigration policies, we are restricting this to too great of a degree, and therefore the fundamental laws of supply & demand are what is driving more immigrants to illegally gain entry to the country.
In my view, the aforementioned courses of action could serve well to appease both the growing immigrant community as well as those concerned that illegal immigration is getting out of control; simultaneously allowing our economy to operate smoothly without any additional hindrance or serious restructuring necessary, while also improving the quality of life for all Americans by finally legitimizing something that we have always "quietly accepted" and made good use of (namely, cheap labor). These quality of life improvements would manifest themselves through increased tax revenue as well as increased safety on the job, where I'm sure many employers who are hiring non-documented workers overlook many standards and practices for worker safety, simply because they know that no undocumented worker is going to file a suit against them should anything go wrong.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: AaronEvil]
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Its just a hard issue to resolve. I agree that the bill proposed recently is a bad bill, which is why it didnt pass. What I dont understand is the PROTESTING. The ditching work and school to make a "point" that immigration needs to be reformed, which is something we know in every branch of Government.
The protest has a lot more cultural significance than it does political significance...you are right to highlight the fact that today's (non)activity will not make a solution any more apparent. I think the whole point of the boycotting etc. is that illegals seem to think that people don't understand that, while they aren't supposed to be are, they are actually here in large numbers and do have a significant presence in America. Which you can't argue. You can argue whether or not they should be deported on the grounds of economics, justice, compassion, or even just legal dogma. However I think they seek to prove that there are so many of them that when they all get together to organize a boycott there will be significant effects.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: Ekstaza]
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Ekstaza said: Not in all cases. Farm laborers do not have to paid minimum wage. Immigrants or citizens.
Bullshit.
Read it and weep sucker
Give it a fucking rest. From the link.
Section 13(a)(6) of the Act exempts from the minimum wage requirements of section 6 and from the overtime pay requirements of section 7:
Any employee employed in agriculture: (A) If such employee is employed by an employer who did not, during any calendar quarter during the preceding calendar year, use more than 500 man-days of agricultural labor, (B) if such employee is the parent, spouse, child, or other member of his employer's immediate family, (C) if such employee (i) is employed as a hand harvest laborer and is paid on a piece-rate basis in an operation which has been, and is customarily and generally recognized as having been, paid on a piece- rate basis in the region of employment, (ii) commutes daily from his permanent residence to the farm on which he is so employed, and (iii) has been employed in agriculture less than 13 weeks during the preceding calendar year, (D) if such employee (other than an employee described in clause (C) of this subsection) (i) is 16 years of age or under and is employed as a hand harvest laborer, is paid on a piece-rate basis in an operation which has been, and is customarily and generally recognized as having been, paid on a piece-rate basis in the region of employment, (ii) is employed on the same farm as his parent or person standing in the place of his parent, and (iii) is paid at the same piece rate as employees over age 16 are paid on the same farm, or (E) if such employee is principally engaged in the range production of livestock."
It goes on. What? Children working on their parent's farm or working to replace their piece work parents. "16 or under". Children.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Oh my fucking God!!!
The economy came to a screching halt today!!!
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: downforpot]
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Even more proof that we need to kick the Mexicans out and give them jobs to Americans.
Right now the city of Burbank is debating a law that would make illegal to hire undocumented workers. Those caught doing so are fined several thousand dollars and lose their business license for 5 years..
Im all for letting Imigrants into our country but they must agree to be Americans. For those who have never been to L.A. let me tell you it sucks.
More than half the city is writen all in spanish and you cant even tell your even in America cuz EVERYONE you see is Mexican.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Ekstaza said: Not in all cases. Farm laborers do not have to paid minimum wage. Immigrants or citizens.
Bullshit.
Read it and weep sucker
Give it a fucking rest. From the link.
It goes on. What? Children working on their parent's farm or working to replace their piece work parents. "16 or under". Children.
I assumed you knew to follow the links and continue reading. My bad. Farmworkers
There are many ways that a farmer can deny minimum wage to their farm hands. I live in a rural area where there are nothing but farms everywhere. I see it happen all of the time. I questioned the practice and was led to the Department of Labor farmworkers website to be assured that the farmers were in fact within the letter of the law(if not the spirit).
Do, say, post or whatever you need to do to feel comfortable about what you believe, but it happens.
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Minorities can't reach positions of power? You must have missed the memo about Condi Rice and Mr. Powell.
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You are hearing but not listening. Those are not real positions of power, they are programmed.
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What about Supreme Court Justice Thomas? That is a position of extreme power.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: Redstorm]
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You make a good point, I'll have to reconsider some of my thoughts.
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I understand what you're saying, though, and agree to an extent. While many minorites may have to work harder to escape poverty, I don't believe there is an institutionalized barrier that purposely keeps them out of power.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: geokills]
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Amnesty for current immigrants: They are here, they are working, and our economy has been flexible enough to assimilate them into it. To suddenly remove millions of immigrants from our working economy would cause serious economic and social tremors in the near term. The only practical thing to do, is to let them stay, work, tax them, and the system goes on as it has for the past many years, without any disruption or rearrangement necessary.
This is the one that I have issues with. By giving amnesty to all current ILLEGAL immigrants, we are screwing over every single LEGAL immigrant. We also reward all the people that smuggle illegals into the country. I don't agree that letting the squaters stay is the only practical thing to do. Deport them and increase the quotas allowing more legal immigrants in to fill the void. Reward the people that are following the rules while maintaining the status quo with legal immigrant workers.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: Ekstaza]
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This is the entirety of your post, which I called bullshit on. First you give a link I have to weed through but find relevant portions. Then you give another link that is to a more concise portion of the original link. Thanks. I wish I had seen that first as opposed to the legalese I stopped at and had to interpret. It also supports my interpretation. Which is that your statement above is bullshit, that most of the exemptions are for minor family members. To quote from your link.
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"Virtually all employees engaged in agriculture are covered by the Act in that they produce goods for interstate commerce. There are, however, some exemptions which exempt certain employees from the minimum wage provisions, the overtime pay provisions, or both.
Employees who are employed in agriculture as that term is defined in the Act are exempt from the overtime pay provisions. They do not have to be paid time and one half their regular rates of pay for hours worked in excess of forty per week.
Agriculture does not include work performed on a farm which is not incidental to or in conjunction with such farmer's farming operation. It also does not include operations performed off a farm if performed by employees employed by someone other than the farmer whose agricultural products are being worked on.
Any employer in agriculture who did not utilize more than 500 "man days" of agricultural labor in any calendar quarter of the preceding calendar year is exempt from the minimum wage and overtime pay provisions of the FLSA for the current calendar year. A "man day" is defined as any day during which an employee performs agricultural work for at least one hour.
Additional exemptions from the minimum wage and overtime provisions of the Act for agricultural employees apply to the following:
* Agricultural employees who are immediate family members of their employer * Those principally engaged on the range in the production of livestock * Local hand harvest laborers who:commute daily from their permanent residence, are paid on a piece rate basis in traditionally piece-rated occupations, and were engaged in agriculture less than thirteen weeks during the preceeding calendar year * Non-local minors, 16 years of age or under, who are hand harvesters, paid on a piece rate basis in traditionally piece-rated occupations, employed on the same farm as their parent, and paid the same piece rate as those over 16."
Particularly note the bolded phrase above, "Virtually all, from YOUR link. Now look at your statement. "Farm laborers do not have to be paid minimum wage." Now if you had said some farm laborers don't have to be paid minimum wage, I would not have called bullshit, because I was well aware of the family member exemption. But that is not what you said. What you said was bullshit. Pwned. Hoist by your own petard, as it were.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: Seuss]
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By giving amnesty to all current ILLEGAL immigrants, we are screwing over every single LEGAL immigrant. We also reward all the people that smuggle illegals into the country. I don't agree that letting the squaters stay is the only practical thing to do. Deport them and increase the quotas allowing more legal immigrants in to fill the void. Reward the people that are following the rules while maintaining the status quo with legal immigrant workers.
In efforts to clarify my position, I do not feel that letting the squaters stay is the only practical thing to do (poor choice of words on my part), rather that it is seemingly the most practical, now that we are where we are. I do not condone people immigrating into our country illegally, but I also do not condone wasting our resources in a vain attempt to reverse history. Maybe we can get away with deporting millions of people, but in my opinion the cost (both social and economic) would far outway the benefit of good principle. It's a terribly difficult concession to endorse, and not one I am happy about considering how strongly I feel about morals and ethics; but I'd rather see our economy continue undisturbed, while simultaneously increasing revenue in the way of taxes, than try to take retroactive and costly steps in efforts to "undo" a situation that never should have transpired in the first place.
You have definitely given me something more to think about however, as I was admittedly not even considering the implications to those who have taken and are taking the legal pathway towards US citizenship. A very valid concern indeed.
.. But, with a head full of acid making itself known to me, I must respectfully take my leave. 
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: geokills]
#5582257 - 05/02/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I dont think our economy would suffer at all.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: zappaisgod]
#5583116 - 05/02/06 08:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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* Agricultural employees who are immediate family members of their employer * Those principally engaged on the range in the production of livestock * Local hand harvest laborers who:commute daily from their permanent residence, are paid on a piece rate basis in traditionally piece-rated occupations, and were engaged in agriculture less than thirteen weeks during the preceeding calendar year * Non-local minors, 16 years of age or under, who are hand harvesters, paid on a piece rate basis in traditionally piece-rated occupations, employed on the same farm as their parent, and paid the same piece rate as those over 16."
Particularly note the bolded phrase above, "Virtually all, from YOUR link. Now look at your statement. "Farm laborers do not have to be paid minimum wage." Now if you had said some farm laborers don't have to be paid minimum wage, I would not have called bullshit, because I was well aware of the family member exemption. But that is not what you said. What you said was bullshit. Pwned. Hoist by your own petard, as it were.
Agreed, I should have said some, however, the way the law is writen, farmers can manipulate it to include most.
Note the bolded section of the text. That does not pertain to family members.
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