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Ekstaza
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Not in all cases. Farm laborers do not have to be paid minimum wage. Immigrants or citizens.
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zappaisgod
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EquilibriuM said: Ive said this a hundred times... The problem with legal immigrants, aside from the fact that the process is slow, awkward, and difficult; Is that, legal immigrants have to be paid minimum wage. Doesn't that kind of eliminate the advantage of hiring immigrants in the first place?
Minimum wage is not a relevant consideration for workers around here whether they're legal immigrants, illegal immigrants or natives. Going rate for unskilled grab off the street workers is at least $80 CASH per day. Plus lunch. That's $10 an hour. Untaxed. (Anybody who thinks that they declare their cash income and pay taxes on it is a complete idiot).
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zappaisgod
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: Ekstaza]
#5574315 - 04/30/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ekstaza said: Not in all cases. Farm laborers do not have to paid minimum wage. Immigrants or citizens.
Bullshit.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: zappaisgod]
#5574494 - 04/30/06 03:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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We pay legal immigrants less than American citizens that were born in USA.
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zappaisgod
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: downforpot]
#5574503 - 04/30/06 03:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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downforpot said: We pay legal immigrants less than American citizens that were born in USA.
Who is this mystical WE? And what does this have to do with my post about minimum wage.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: zappaisgod]
#5574738 - 04/30/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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if the situation for illegal immigrants is so bad here in the USA then they should head on down south into Mexico where they can protest all they want! i don't have a big problem with them here, they're better than the ones not working and collecting a check anyway, but you don't get to come in illegal and then walk off your job like somebody owes you something.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: GabbaDj]
#5574740 - 04/30/06 05:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Only citizens have the right to demonstrate.. Illegals should all be deported for protesting.
Aliens and citizens alike should be able to express their opinion in America however they please without threat of government oppression. Even if Al queada demonstrated here in America I would support their right to do it. I would also support the right of every NRA member within 100 miles to make a pilgrimage to the demonstration site.
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The schools will feel something. They get $40 a day per student and the state already said they will watch close to see how much they get.
Huh? Sorry, I don't understand. So are you suggesting that schools are going to receive less money because let's say 70% of the student body of one school doesn't show up for one day? Does the state send checks to each individual school every day based on a head count? Even if that was the case on May 2nd everything will go back to normal anyways.
Or is that $40 a day is probably just a broken down number to quantify state aid to local school districts based on attendance.
Either I missed something or you are being duped by all the self serving chest beating going on around here by some Mexicans who think that this is going to really be some enormous historical event that shakes the republic.
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Ekstaza
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: zappaisgod]
#5574849 - 04/30/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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Ekstaza said: Not in all cases. Farm laborers do not have to paid minimum wage. Immigrants or citizens.
Bullshit.
Read it and weep sucker
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EquilibriuM
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: GabbaDj]
#5575387 - 04/30/06 09:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Far too few people of minority race go to college, graduate and take positions of power. This is obviously by design.
Every fight against injustice is a step towards justice. We can step forward, step backward or stay in the same place. Most of the time, we are standing in the same place... What we rarely are aware of, is sometimes when we stand in the same place, we are actually being pushed backwards, like the floor is moving against the direction we face. For a split second we may come to this realization, this is the moment I am in now. The walk forward seems endless, but I think its the steps we take that count.
If you an follow, God bless you.
If you cant, God help you.
Viva la revolucion.
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EquilibriuM said: Far too few people of minority race go to college, graduate and take positions of power. This is obviously by design.
Every fight against injustice is a step towards justice. We can step forward, step backward or stay in the same place. Most of the time, we are standing in the same place... What we rarely are aware of, is sometimes when we stand in the same place, we are actually being pushed backwards, like the floor is moving against the direction we face. For a split second we may come to this realization, this is the moment I am in now. The walk forward seems endless, but I think its the steps we take that count.
If you an follow, God bless you.
If you cant, God help you.
Viva la revolucion.
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Seuss
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>> Only citizens have the right to demonstrate.. Illegals should all be deported for protesting.
> Aliens and citizens alike should be able to express their opinion in America however they please without threat of government oppression.
I have no problem with LEGAL immigrants holding a peacful protest, but ILLEGAL aliens should be deported.
> Far too few people of minority race go to college, graduate and take positions of power. This is obviously by design.
*laugh* Try living in a country outside the US for a while and get back to me on this one. Of all my gripes against the US, I must admit that it is one of the few countries in the world that a minority with absolutely nothing has the potential to do whatever they want, even become the president. It may be difficult, and more so being a minority, but at least it is possible. When was the last time you worried about US soldiers breaking in your door, killing your father and raping your mother in front of you because your father sent an email that did not agree with the president?
> Every fight against injustice is a step towards justice.
... and who, exactly, decides what is just and what is injust?
> Most of the time, we are standing in the same place...
Stability.
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Ekstaza
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EquilibriuM said: Far too few people of minority race go to college, graduate and take positions of power. This is obviously by design.
I call bullshit. Affirmative action is kicking ass in some places. I have no problem with minorties coming up, but assistance should be equally applied.
I definitely do not believe that their is some deciding council on keeping minorties in their place. Much of what keeps a person of minority background from achieving success in America, is the attitude that they bring to the table with them.
If a person wants to succeed in America, they just have to do it. There are assistance programs in place for all races here.
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I've been waiting to make some purchases untill today. I'm going to buy a car, do all my grocery shopping, buy some clothes, etc...
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: Ekstaza]
#5576563 - 05/01/06 08:24 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You guys misunderstand my message. Sure any minority member can hold a small position of "power" but that power is limited to the design of the system. They do not/will not hold the ability to make any "real" changes to the design.
You can be as different as you want, as long as you are the same.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: Seuss]
#5576575 - 05/01/06 08:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Seuss said: *laugh* Try living in a country outside the US for a while and get back to me on this one.
I'm not talking about other countries. I'm talking about the US. Sure other countries are fucked up. That somehow makes the US perfect?
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Of all my gripes against the US, I must admit that it is one of the few countries in the world that a minority with absolutely nothing has the potential to do whatever they want, even become the president.
*laugh* thats never going to happen.
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It may be difficult, and more so being a minority, but at least it is possible.
Its possible that I will not only discover a cure for aids and cancer but also a machine for teleporting people.
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When was the last time you worried about US soldiers breaking in your door, killing your father and raping your mother in front of you because your father sent an email that did not agree with the president?
Again, thats totally irrelevant to the argument, WTF.
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> Every fight against injustice is a step towards justice.
... and who, exactly, decides what is just and what is injust?
Your heart tells you that.
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> Most of the time, we are standing in the same place...
Stability.
If going nowhere is what you consider positive...
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: GabbaDj]
#5576832 - 05/01/06 11:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not to be a total whore, but I'd love to see some more intelligent debate in a smilar thread on this topic over in our loosely-regulated Pub forum. I feel that there are many people participating there that simply do not take the time to look into the underlying issues regarding this situation. That is, if any of you feel the urge to add some constructive participation to the other thread, I'm sure it would be appreciated: [Link to "The day without illegal immigrants"].
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: geokills]
#5576996 - 05/01/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I notice two things about this protest. One, I am in San Diego, California (basically hugging the border) and I have noticed no change today. Second, these people arent protesting anything IMO. If there was a bill that would deport all illegals by a certain date, imprison them, kill them, ect. it would be different. What I see going on is that they were upset about the bill proposed that didnt pass. I was against the bill, and I am for immigration reform, but I dont think ditching school or work is going to send the right message at this point. I also believe that one day of protesting isnt going to do anything. Lets face it, these people CAN afford to miss one day but cannot afford to miss a month. If they missed a month they would be fired and replaced by someone who is willing to work and willing to protest on their own time. I just find it amusing.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: AaronEvil]
#5577035 - 05/01/06 11:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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AaronEvil said: I notice two things about this protest. One, I am in San Diego, California (basically hugging the border) and I have noticed no change today. Second, these people arent protesting anything IMO. If there was a bill that would deport all illegals by a certain date, imprison them, kill them, ect. it would be different. What I see going on is that they were upset about the bill proposed that didnt pass. I was against the bill, and I am for immigration reform, but I dont think ditching school or work is going to send the right message at this point. I also believe that one day of protesting isnt going to do anything. Lets face it, these people CAN afford to miss one day but cannot afford to miss a month. If they missed a month they would be fired and replaced by someone who is willing to work and willing to protest on their own time. I just find it amusing.
This isn't the first protest, and it wont be the last. Have you seen the HBO movie "walkout" ? If you have not, you should.
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Re: The May 1st March. [Re: AaronEvil]
#5577122 - 05/01/06 12:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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To think, that no one will receive a properly folded burrito today.........
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AaronEvil
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I know its not the first, but my main point was mainly that they arent protesting anything. They should be lobbying or something more relevant than protesting. If anyone knows the REASON they are protesting I would love to hear it. My friend (whos family is not legally here) is protesting because she wants immigration reform. It doesnt seem right to protest and idea that everyone agrees with. You PROTEST something you disagree with. So what are they protesting right now?
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