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OfflineMattEx
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Gold Tops - NZ - ID Please!
    #5568537 - 04/28/06 09:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hi there
Not entirely sure whether these are safe.
The show the typical gold tops characteristics like the golden "pancake" and little button in the middle, with whiter edges on the cap. I sporeprinted it, and the sporeprint is purple. The ornage sporeprint in th below pictures is one I thought was suspect, but I sporeprinted it anyway. Seeing as it was orange it was discared immediately.
So, are these safe to consume (psilocybes?) ..? The only characteristic they don't display is blueing, although when they were found the gills were a greeny-blue-white color. The stems still haven't blued, although i've heard they don't sometimes. The mushies pictured are a bit old.

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Re: Gold Tops - NZ - ID Please! [Re: MattEx]
    #5568573 - 04/28/06 09:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If there is no bluing, it's quite unlikely they're active as the active ingredient you want isn't oxidizing.

Looking at the pictures now, they look nothing like the subs you want - Gill colour is off and they're far too orange.


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Re: Gold Tops - NZ - ID Please! [Re: MagicalKnife]
    #5568651 - 04/28/06 09:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Damn :frown: .
Just to add some more info:

Habitat: Was growing on a big rotting tree with surrounding rotting pine needles and twigs.
Stem: White flecked with ornage and grey. Hollow.
Characteristics of the cap: Convex, orange with whiter edges, with raised center button.
Sporeprint: As above, purple-blackish (orange parts are accidental contamination).
Bruising: The gills might have bruised a blue-green color. Found as is. The stem hasn't changed much, perhaps a more orange, was bright white when picked, the camera didn't pick it up well.
Scent: Not noticeable really.


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Re: Gold Tops - NZ - ID Please! [Re: MattEx]
    #5568856 - 04/28/06 10:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hey man keep trying - I know there are so many that fit the description, its quite frustrating.

A tip to make it a little easier,

-look in the 3rd and fourth pics you posted. See how the stem can be easily split into "woody" fibers? Kind of like peeling a bannana. Well, subs dont have this type stem - they "snap" more cleanly. Much like the stem on an amanita or supermarket button mushroom is a good comparison.
And from what I've seen they go blue very easily. :laugh:


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Re: Gold Tops - NZ - ID Please! [Re: MattEx]
    #5568878 - 04/28/06 10:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Keen eye Matt.....definately dont want to consume these ones.....same spore color.....same habitat on wood......these can in some forms be basically identical to magics except for the fact that they dont bruise blue......NEVER consider anything that doesn't have this spore color.....and rather quikly turn a distinct, no two ways about it......HARD BLUE.....which these ones DO NOT!!!

these ones are in a group in the "MAGIC" family (Strophariaceae)that have some potentially extremely poisonous varieties......many also consider this a Psilocybe also.......its name(s) are Hypholoma (Naematoloma,Psilocybe)

every New Zealander that hunts SUBs should get to know these well.....and keen eye on th rusty too but woulda been cool to see a pic.....nice print tho.....


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Re: Gold Tops - NZ - ID Please! [Re: shroominDole]
    #5568970 - 04/28/06 10:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Bah. Cheeky impersonations, those things are then.

Thanks for the tips, very useful :smile: !
Hopefully i'll get to experience mushrooms sometime soon for the first time... I shall continue the hunt in a weeks time once the season is more underway.


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