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Re: Mexico legalizing small amounts of pot? [Re: Learyfan]
    #5570295 - 04/29/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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bi0 said:
cool
so, you're down with starting an LSD temple?
lets do it.




KidgardFromSRQ: We all know that heroin, coke and crank are bad drugs. What do you think would happen if it were legalized? Do you think that the entire world would become heroin, coke and crank addicts? Some people will die but that's life. It's Darwin's law. You can't throw John in jail because Jack is an addict. That's ridiculous.








darwins laws are more relevant to the animal kingdom which strives as an ecosystem. even though were part of it, were pretty much at the top when it comes to surviving. drugs would just hinder us. why would you want that?


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Re: Mexico legalizing small amounts of pot? [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #5570457 - 04/29/06 02:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Kids aren't stupid, they're uneducated and curious about everything, which is why they need parental guidance. Leave the government (ie my tax dollars) out of it. Why should someone go to jail just on the speculation that it might make the world safer for your kid? Why should society bear the responsibility for a child's well being? Isn't that the parent's job?

There will always be drugs, people will always use drugs. This shows no sign of changing. People will make bad decisions and will suffer consequences. Nobody should go to jail over it.




and thats right, but as long as there is money involved and a hierarchy of power. that will never be. besides the world is sometimes full of scum. what you're saying is everyone needs to undergo a self revolution. ask yourself fundamental questions here, why do people do drugs? what purpose do they serve? and is heroin an easy thing to quit doing? ive been through 12 step once when i got in trouble shrooming and was in a group session with a heroin addict spending 250$ a day. almost over dosed twice, and she was only 16. she has a kid last i heard of her. (she was really rich too btw) not everyone is going to set theyre kid straight, no matter what you do (in this time and age atleast) you can't control people to lead better lives just as you cant stop people from using drugs. giving people unlimited acsess to all drugs, regaurdless of philosophies strongly enforced or advocated in society would be the worst thing you could do for man kind. ive seen what heroin addicts are like, have you? you know how bad the withdrawl symptoms are? go to an NA meeting and talk to some of the fuck ups there. not many people use drugs responsibly as it is and saying that it's ok to do what u want to an idiot society is not a working philosophy.




You're equating drug legalization to "giving people unlimited access to all drugs," when people already have unlimited access to all drugs. Do you think it's the slightest challenge to go outside and buy coke, meth, heroin, crack, whatever? They're all illegal, but that doesn't change availability one bit. People with drug problems need to get help to deal with those problems and get on with life. They don't belong in jail. They don't need to live off tax money. They need to learn to be productive citizens and support themselves, and prohibition harms that more than helps it. Anyone stupid enough to smoke crack is already smoking it; I don't see how its legal status affects it one way or the other. Law or no law, crack is crack. People will fuck up their lives on it, but having the state crawl up their ass just compounds the problem.


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Re: Mexico legalizing small amounts of pot? [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #5570468 - 04/29/06 02:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe you want to make cars and fire illegal since many people die from them as well.

Do you really think all humans would become addicts if certain drugs were made legal? Would we all walk off that cliff in a single file line?







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Re: Mexico legalizing small amounts of pot? [Re: quillini]
    #5570565 - 04/29/06 02:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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quillini said:
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KidgardFromSRQ said:
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quillini said:
Kids aren't stupid, they're uneducated and curious about everything, which is why they need parental guidance. Leave the government (ie my tax dollars) out of it. Why should someone go to jail just on the speculation that it might make the world safer for your kid? Why should society bear the responsibility for a child's well being? Isn't that the parent's job?

There will always be drugs, people will always use drugs. This shows no sign of changing. People will make bad decisions and will suffer consequences. Nobody should go to jail over it.




and thats right, but as long as there is money involved and a hierarchy of power. that will never be. besides the world is sometimes full of scum. what you're saying is everyone needs to undergo a self revolution. ask yourself fundamental questions here, why do people do drugs? what purpose do they serve? and is heroin an easy thing to quit doing? ive been through 12 step once when i got in trouble shrooming and was in a group session with a heroin addict spending 250$ a day. almost over dosed twice, and she was only 16. she has a kid last i heard of her. (she was really rich too btw) not everyone is going to set theyre kid straight, no matter what you do (in this time and age atleast) you can't control people to lead better lives just as you cant stop people from using drugs. giving people unlimited acsess to all drugs, regaurdless of philosophies strongly enforced or advocated in society would be the worst thing you could do for man kind. ive seen what heroin addicts are like, have you? you know how bad the withdrawl symptoms are? go to an NA meeting and talk to some of the fuck ups there. not many people use drugs responsibly as it is and saying that it's ok to do what u want to an idiot society is not a working philosophy.




You're equating drug legalization to "giving people unlimited access to all drugs," when people already have unlimited access to all drugs. Do you think it's the slightest challenge to go outside and buy coke, meth, heroin, crack, whatever? They're all illegal, but that doesn't change availability one bit. People with drug problems need to get help to deal with those problems and get on with life. They don't belong in jail. They don't need to live off tax money. They need to learn to be productive citizens and support themselves, and prohibition harms that more than helps it. Anyone stupid enough to smoke crack is already smoking it; I don't see how its legal status affects it one way or the other. Law or no law, crack is crack. People will fuck up their lives on it, but having the state crawl up their ass just compounds the problem.




so, let me get this straight. what you're saying is, you think hard drugs should be legal because if people of equal oppurtunity do stupid things, just as we all have at one point or another, they should be able to do it as much as they want with out any penalties or laws to serve as an example to set the public straight?


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People with drug problems need to get help to deal with those problems and get on with life. They don't belong in jail.




ok, so lets say that is the solution you think is right. do you know the statisticts of hard drug abusers & alcoholics who quit using for good once they got out of theyre rehab program and actually went on to live a productive and sucsesfull life. i don't know numbers but theyre nothing too convincing. quitting drugs is not something easy to do, and rehab usually just points out that you're life is fucked up quit doing drugs theyre bad. which surely they can be, but it's more than just that. everyone is different and although the root problem is essentially the same. however seeing what is wrong with yourself is alot harder than having some one else tell you what's wrong with you. and even then some people still don't get it.

drugs like heroin and coke and all them are not something to be fooled around with, and for them to legalize it is not a wise move at all. if heavy drug use in mexico increases, so will the drug use in america. we have a black market drug trade w/ mexico's legalization would bring in a whole new flow of easier to get drugs to be sold on the streets.

time will tell, but i can almost garauntee anything this wont be good for anyone. and as humans we need to watch out for eachother and help one another out. and sometimes you do need to set an example or lay the law down, it's not all about freedom because people have always and will always abuse freedom. just as they would these drug laws. only time will tell though, but im just gathering what i've observed.


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Re: Mexico legalizing small amounts of pot? [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #5570614 - 04/29/06 02:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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so, let me get this straight. what you're saying is, you think hard drugs should be legal because if people of equal oppurtunity do stupid things, just as we all have at one point or another, they should be able to do it as much as they want with out any penalties or laws to serve as an example to set the public straight?




YES!




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ok, so lets say that is the solution you think is right. do you know the statisticts of hard drug abusers & alcoholics who quit using for good once they got out of theyre rehab program and actually went on to live a productive and sucsesfull life. i don't know numbers but theyre nothing too convincing. quitting drugs is not something easy to do, and rehab usually just points out that you're life is fucked up quit doing drugs theyre bad. which surely they can be, but it's more than just that. everyone is different and although the root problem is essentially the same. however seeing what is wrong with yourself is alot harder than having some one else tell you what's wrong with you. and even then some people still don't get it.




Adults should be able to make adult decisions. Again, why don't you make cars and fire illegal, seeing is how they fuck up so many people's lives?


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time will tell, but i can almost garauntee anything this wont be good for anyone. and as humans we need to watch out for eachother and help one another out




By throwing people in prison!?!?!? WTF






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Re: Mexico legalizing small amounts of pot? [Re: Learyfan]
    #5570631 - 04/29/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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KidgardFromSRQ said:
so, let me get this straight. what you're saying is, you think hard drugs should be legal because if people of equal oppurtunity do stupid things, just as we all have at one point or another, they should be able to do it as much as they want with out any penalties or laws to serve as an example to set the public straight?




YES!




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ok, so lets say that is the solution you think is right. do you know the statisticts of hard drug abusers & alcoholics who quit using for good once they got out of theyre rehab program and actually went on to live a productive and sucsesfull life. i don't know numbers but theyre nothing too convincing. quitting drugs is not something easy to do, and rehab usually just points out that you're life is fucked up quit doing drugs theyre bad. which surely they can be, but it's more than just that. everyone is different and although the root problem is essentially the same. however seeing what is wrong with yourself is alot harder than having some one else tell you what's wrong with you. and even then some people still don't get it.




Adults should be able to make adult decisions. Again, why don't you make cars and fire illegal, seeing is how they fuck up so many people's lives?


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time will tell, but i can almost garauntee anything this wont be good for anyone. and as humans we need to watch out for eachother and help one another out




By throwing people in prison!?!?!? WTF










well, you go about believing that. picture the world as it is now with this new philosophy in play.


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Re: Mexico legalizing small amounts of pot? [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #5570641 - 04/29/06 03:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What, "freedom of choice" for adults? Sounds good to me.






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Re: Mexico legalizing small amounts of pot? [Re: Learyfan]
    #5570690 - 04/29/06 03:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I believe it was 300 years ago like tons of people died so we could do drugs and be in crazy religions as long as we don't fuck with other people aka running around shooting people or stealing. I believe it was 10 amendments.

AMENDMENT I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
AMENDMENT II
A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
AMENDMENT III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
AMENDMENT IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
AMENDMENT V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation.
AMENDMENT VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
AMENDMENT VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
AMENDMENT VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
AMENDMENT IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be con- strued to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
AMENDMENT X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

I would like to return to the original intension's plx
Edit: oh and coke and meth which I don't do and never will again should be legal. If I decide I want to smoke meth I have the rite to smoke meth without the govt getting in my butt about it.
This is for all you who are against meth and coke legalization.


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Re: Mexico legalizing small amounts of pot? [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #5570695 - 04/29/06 03:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Your argument rests on the assumption that drug laws=decreased supply=decreased demand/use. There is no data to support this. Drug supply is alive and well. Those who want drugs are only a few bucks away from obtaining them. All the drug war does is create an economic imperitive for cartels, hence gang warfare, and create an overpopulation problem in our penal system, where nonviolent drug offenders go to learn how to be hardened criminals.

What good does it do to send a drug user to prison? Rehab sucess rates are low, I think about 5%, but can't we agree that rehab is more productive than prison? The judicial system in this country fucks people in a way that hard drugs can only dream of. It actually creates an incentive to use drugs, as people seek ways to numb the pain caused by their life being fucked by some DA.

Freedom either means freedom or it's a sham. The idea that freedom can be abused usually eminates from someone seeking to limit your freedom to that which more suits their taste. Example: you and I both think coke, meth, heroin, etc. are bad drugs and we don't do them because we know better. But I didn't decide not to use those drugs based on their legal status. Did you? I decided not to use them because I don't like the idea of what they might do to me, but ultimately that's my taste. I don't wish to see my taste reflected in legislation.

I believe in helping people, but I also believe in a person's right to refuse help, regardless of what I think. And I'm going to respect their space. This business of "laying the law down" or whatever, that's what you do with children. An adult has no right to enforce behavior controls on another adult "for their own good." That is more of an abuse of freedom than any drug use that person might be engaged in.


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Re: Mexico legalizing small amounts of pot? [Re: quillini]
    #5578729 - 05/01/06 08:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I believe that they should use the approach that Holland took towards drugs. Completly seperate hard drugs (coke, h, meth...) from the soft drugs (budz,mushrooms,LSD) and truthfuly educate the youth about each. The cut off for hard and soft drugs should be that hard drugs have withdraw symptoms and soft do not.


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Re: Mexico legalizing small amounts of pot? [Re: theuser]
    #12649399 - 05/29/10 07:55 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Fox News

I don't agree with legalizing coke, h and e, but I do agree w/ legalizing pot. :shrug:






GREAT! Im amazed that a step of this gargantuan size has actually taken place!@


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Re: Mexico legalizing small amounts of pot? [Re: theuser]
    #12649460 - 05/29/10 08:19 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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