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Re: Da Bluef00t! [Re: shroomydan]
    #5571288 - 04/29/06 06:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Great finds bro! :dancing:
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Re: Da Bluef00t! [Re: MadSeasonAbove]
    #5571530 - 04/29/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

There are elms (standing dead and live) some kind of weed tree that has leaves that remind me of poison-ivy (I call it cotton wood, but I don't think I'm correct).

Probably Box Elder, Acer negundo (ash leaved maple) - tree has flowers (especially male) that resemble corn tassles, with elongated narrow stems in clusters.

I had an urge to see what was popping around our land,

Enjoy our friends from the forest!


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Re: Da Bluef00t! [Re: lIXII]
    #5572096 - 04/29/06 09:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks shroomeydan...I have a Sony DSC-s75 which is also 3.2 megpixel. You Cannon seems to be a little better with color, but then I think it's mostly lighting conditions. Also, all of the photos I posted have been reduced to half size using MGI photo suite, which also has some color adjustments I've never used..That could be part of it. ironically, my Sony gets better reviews in some places than you're Cannon. Anyway, it's not the megapixel in this case, since it's both the same.

As for the 'wild' question. The reason I asked is because it's often extemely difficult to say what 'wild' is. Wild like Alaska wild?...In Ohio?...I've never been to the midwest, east coast, so I can't say, but for example, you would be able to find these blue foots in old growth in the Appalachia park? In a place that has never been disturbed by humans?

The basic premise is that most psilocybes grow near humans in some way. There should have been some disturbance of some sort, whether it be cows, woodcutting, farming.

I did some research and all I could find is these blue foots are rare, but when you find them you can find alot. another example, Cyanescens out here on the west coast are saprophytes, but they usually get their start with woodchips because it's easier for the spores to invade the serrated edges. Once they get going, they'll eat almost anything. For example, even tho Cyanescens is woodchip based, I've actually seen mycellium crawl up twigs and branches that were not cut, but simply broken, with the mycellium exposed the whole time, then assemble at a point in the dead branch, then fruit. I saw this in Golden Gate Park a few years ago....it was basically erosion control, where the park set up a series of staggered branches, much like you would find in the wild, to help stop landslides....That's not woodchips at all, but they got there start years ago with woodchips, and then migrated into whatever food was available, as long as it's not parasitic.

The point is, it's very very difficult to tell what is truely wild. It might look wild, but usually it's not. Another question...Do chanterelles grow in Ohio? If so, would you venture a guess that you would ever find blue foots near chanterelles?..because chanterelles often do grow in truely wild areas, untouched by man..You can find those in old growth forest in Oregon...

Also, I understand that these blue foots are the only active species native to the USA northeast, from Ohio up through Maine. For some reason, there is not much documention of these.

Part of the reason why I ask is because I've been picking soo long and seen so many consistencies, that I like to think I can go anywhere in the world and pick. In the case of these Psilocybe caerulipes,yeah, I would take notice of those if I ever saw them if I travelled to Pennsylvania or wherever...Why, because of the color..the stem color is certainly darker than many psilocybe species, especially cyanescens, which is white..

It's the caramel cap color that's most important for me, and this is why it's so difficult to show people, and why a good camera is so important...Some folks are color blind, but I can see it plain as day.

That certain color of the cap is the most consistent thing i've seen...I have never seen any other mushroom that matches that color perfectly as the main category of psilocybes... And different shades of that color. The color, is the single most difficult thing to convey to people...Either people can see it, or they can't.It's almost like no amount of photos and text can help people who can't see it

The Blue foots, they are hygrophanous?..they get lighter in color when they dry out?

You see, that's one of the things people like us look for when hunting...When we put on our 'mushroom eyes'.

Biking, strolling, walking, hiking.......I look for that certain color...little minute changes as my eyes are scanning my surroundings.

Because everybodys eyes are different... < thereein lies one of the big problems


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Re: Da Bluef00t! [Re: auweia]
    #5573322 - 04/30/06 06:20 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

excelent pictures!!!
i envy you guys for having such wonderfull places to roam... i'd have to drive hours to get anywhere interesting :smirk:  (and i'd probably not find anything anyway)

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Re: Da Bluef00t! [Re: shroomydan]
    #5573545 - 04/30/06 09:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Kudos S.D. check your pm messages,
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Re: Da Bluef00t! [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5573558 - 04/30/06 09:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Holy crap, I'm out of town for a couple of days and come back to the board to find this!!!  Amazing!  And almost certainly the greatest photos ever taken of this mushroom - copyright time!
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Re: Da Bluef00t! [Re: xmush]
    #5573761 - 04/30/06 11:29 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have a question...

Are Psilocybe caerulipes very rare in general, or just hard to ID?
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Re: Da Bluef00t! [Re: MustardMan]
    #5573766 - 04/30/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Very rare outside of certain parts of WV as far as I've read.


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Re: Da Bluef00t! [Re: eris]
    #5573809 - 04/30/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks :smile:

I take it they dont commonly grow in Virginia too?


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Re: Da Bluef00t! [Re: MustardMan]
    #5574038 - 04/30/06 01:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

take prints!!
make available to the masses this rare treat


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Re: Da Bluef00t! [Re: MustardMan]
    #5574151 - 04/30/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

They grow from Georgia to Massachussetts and into Ontario, Canada and are very common in West Virgina, recently 80 people were arrested a few years back in Wheeler, West Virginia picking this very mushroom in one lot behind a city warehouse.

They are also very common in Michigan as reported by dozens of locations in Guzman's Genus Psilocybe.

Let me check my book and I will get back and post a list of some locations.

IT seems Shroomy Dan found a natural patch of P. carulipes, whereas, most of the other posts in the last 5-6 years were individuals who found a few small fruitings in man made environments in Ohio and some in West Virginia.

And Shroomy Dan, my hi-jacked trojan is not letting back into the pm message page so I probably won't be able to read any pm's until later tonight.

It comes and goes and sometimes I cannot get the page to open after I log in. This is happeneing to me on and off at several sites I visit so will get to any message you may have sent later.

have a shroomy day,

and remember, Ohio, Michigan, and West Virginia are good locals for this species. Normal season is usually late May through July and possibly into early August.

Sometimes P. caerulipes will resemble P. cyanescens because the caps can go flat and sometimes become wavy. Those are normal characteristics in the physiological shape of the species.

mj


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Re: Blue-foot Psilocybe caerulipes Found in Ohio [Re: shroomydan]
    #5575013 - 04/30/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:thumbup: Nice pictures Shroomydan.  :sunny: :yourock:


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Re: Da Bluef00t! [Re: shroomydan]
    #5576658 - 05/01/06 09:29 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Outstanding :cool:
How exciting it is when all the work you've done pays off!

enjoy SD


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Re: Da Bluef00t! [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #5577151 - 05/01/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

im kicking myself in the foot for just now seeing this thread. Shroomydan...you've done what im sure many of us ohioans have been trying to do for years!! Congratulations!! you need to write a book or something, a pamphlet at least. distribute it for ohio. You're a master man, nothing else to it. Keep having a great year!


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Re: Da Bluef00t! [Re: AsianYumYum]
    #5577372 - 05/01/06 01:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

cmonnn shroomydan i thought you said you were going back for more picturesssssss


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Re: Da Bluef00t! [Re: thosemynikes]
    #5578077 - 05/01/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Psilocybe caerulipes is alive and well in southern ohio. these are all we find around here, we had pretty much steady shrooms all last spring/early summer and this year should be just as good.

next time I go hunting I'll take pics.


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Re: Blue-foot Psilocybe caerulipes Found in Ohio [Re: shroomydan]
    #5589485 - 05/04/06 10:16 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Hi Shroomy Dan

P. caerulipes belongs to the stirps semilanceatae.

Here are the pages of the species ID and habitats and locations from 1983, "The Genus Psilocybe." Now being revised.








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Re: Blue-foot Psilocybe caerulipes Found in Ohio [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5595209 - 05/05/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks MJ  :smile:
I'll get back to you about these soon. BTW, my mom is out of the hospital and feeling much better.

It's been one hell of a week, but I wrote all my papers, and passed all my finals. My undergraduate career ended at 5:00 PM yesterday evening when I turned in my last paper. Woot! Woot! :laugh:

Today I went to check on my new favorite place in the whole world, and my little bald-headed blue-footed friends were waiting for me.


My first find was this pair.  I imagine the cracked cap is due to age and a lack of humidity.






Next I encountered these monsters.

                                             
[I enhanced the color a little on the first two, couldn't help myself.  :grin:]



I think this might be a different strain than those posted by mushpuppet.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5207687#Post5207687
Most of them have short fat stems and meatier caps, and they also appear to have less prominent veils for the most part.

                                         





They certainly are prolific. This 'patch' covers almost half a mile along a stream and a short ways up a small feeder stream. The highest density of mushrooms is near the confluence of the two streams.

Here is a shot of the main stream. Note the tall weeds on the right side of the stream. They are Japanese Knot-weed (Polygonum cuspidatum), an invasive species that P. caerulipes has taken a liking to.






I have found at least 4 distinct blue-foot habitats in this area.

The first and least impressive is a grassy field about 70 yards upland from the steam. I imagine they are growing from buried wood, but I didn't see any evidence for this. Perhaps they have adapted to eating dead grass? The mushrooms in this area are almost white and very small with long thin stems and almost imperceptible partial veils. They remind me very much of P. foenisecii, but are given away by the smell and very mild bluing.

                     
(sorry for the repost, I didn't take new pictures of this spot today)




The second habitat is under the Japanese Knot Weed, along the banks of the steam. These large plants make bamboo like stalks which die off every winter and reform in the spring. I observed mushrooms fruiting from the dead stalks mixed with twigs leaves and sand, under the standing live plants which provide shade. Mushrooms under the Japanese knot weed ranged from small to large, and grew singly to in large groups, but usually not more than three or four in a cluster.

                 




The third habitat is where the mushrooms are the thickest. It is literally very difficult to walk through these spots without stepping on them. They grow singly and in large clusters from sand mixed with buried wood, under a pretty thick canopy of elm, buckeye, and Box Elder (thanks lIXII :thumbup:), in flat areas about 2-3 feet above the stream bed. Wild rose bushes also grow in these areas and the shrooms can sometimes be found under them. The mycelium in the largest spot like this is continuous for an area about 20 ft by 200 feet.

                 

The final habitat is directly from rotten peaces of wood, on the ground and in large debris piles left by the flood. I even found one small specimen growing from a log.

                                   


The bluing reaction is highly variable, from intense to almost non-existent. Some of them look dangerously potent.






Color is also highly variable in this species. Note the nearly orange hue of this mutant.





The color variations could be potentially deadly for the inexperienced hunter, because the blue-foot shares its habitat with deadly Galerinas. I moved the Galerina for this photo, but I moved it less than a foot. Note the prominent umbo on the Galerina.

                 

Well that's it for today. Good luck Ohio hunters; they're out there.

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Re: Blue-foot Psilocybe caerulipes Found in Ohio [Re: shroomydan]
    #5595629 - 05/05/06 08:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Hell yeah shroomydan, thanks for updating us on habitat. That looks like every creek I've seen in Georgia. I'm going to start looking for them.

It's funny that you mention Polygonum species plants. I have several Polygonum sp. plants growing in my aquatic plant tank.  :smile:


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Re: Blue-foot Psilocybe caerulipes Found in Ohio [Re: Gumby]
    #5595646 - 05/05/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

HolEEE Shiznit!
I have been trying to get my buddy in Tennessee to start looking for the elusive "Blue Foot"

Sweet pic's Dan and many congrats on all the superb finds :thumbup:


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