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ryanvergel
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Psilocybin vs LSD
#5564576 - 04/27/06 09:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Both are chemically related to each other, both psychedelics, both are similar in effect.
But where do they differ? Obviously the effects of LSD are logner-lasting, with longer plateau, etc. But as far as the actual experience or brain influence, what is diferent among the psychedelics?
Any information or reads would be nice. I spent a good chunk of time trying to google my way around, but that never works well.
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Re: Psilocybin vs LSD [Re: ryanvergel]
#5564603 - 04/27/06 09:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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What worries me about LSD is unless you trust your dealer, you might end up with some shitty stuff on your tongue. Anybody else see that newspaper article about an LSD raid in New York? Turns out there wasn't even LSD on the blotters, just some other shit the guys had put together. However, this story could be a fabrication to lower the appeal of LSD to potential consumers. Ideas?
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All differant kinds of psychadelics have differant trips. While its easy to say acid is "like shrooms," the two are also very unsimilar. Psilocybin and LSD produce totally differant kinds of visuals for me, as well as thought patterns. With shrooms im more obvious to things i wouldn't normally look at, basically bland things look interesting to me. When im on acid i usually tune out bland things, and go for things that glow or are "futuristic" i would say. On shrooms im more attracted to natural things like walks, the sky, animals, nature. While on acid im more attracted to human made things, such as lights, glowing shit, cars, buildings that look so big and so small, and all those funny faces acid conjures.
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Im Resurrecting the dead with this one I feel but Ive been torn about this....
So I have been microdosing for about a year now with usually LSD. I honestly rather MD with shrooms but I have more LSD but that should change soon. I like LSD and have had great full trips but when it comes to MD I feel Psilocybin takes the cake (no pun intended). What do you guys think? I feel LSD is useful for giving needed energy but sometimes anxiety as well. Pysilocybin takes that away for me and helps me relax more. But both are great! Anyways Ya how does everyone feel about this?
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Bill_Oreilly
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ryanvergel said: Both are chemically related to each other, both psychedelics, both are similar in effect.
But where do they differ? Obviously the effects of LSD are logner-lasting, with longer plateau, etc. But as far as the actual experience or brain influence, what is diferent among the psychedelics?
Any information or reads would be nice. I spent a good chunk of time trying to google my way around, but that never works well.
LSD is psycho-analytical. The visuals seem to come from the visual cortex. There isnt a living spirit in the experience. The visuals are cool, but they dont seem to bring you to a hyperspace unless you work long and hard with it. Its much more recreational due to no nausea, longer lasting, and how you seem to still stay in "this world"
Psilocybin is psycho-analytical, but only on the comeup. The visuals seem to come from the same place dreams come from. You hallucinate into a hyper-spacial realm where there seems to be a living consciousness/entity in it. The slight nausea and shorter span makes it less recreational.. When it hits you, you want to lay down or just not be very active.
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Blabble40
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ryanvergel said: Both are chemically related to each other, both psychedelics, both are similar in effect.
But where do they differ? Obviously the effects of LSD are logner-lasting, with longer plateau, etc. But as far as the actual experience or brain influence, what is diferent among the psychedelics?
Any information or reads would be nice. I spent a good chunk of time trying to google my way around, but that never works well.
LSD is psycho-analytical. The visuals seem to come from the visual cortex. There isnt a living spirit in the experience. The visuals are cool, but they dont seem to bring you to a hyperspace unless you work long and hard with it. Its much more recreational due to no nausea, longer lasting, and how you seem to still stay in "this world"
Psilocybin is psycho-analytical, but only on the comeup. The visuals seem to come from the same place dreams come from. You hallucinate into a hyper-spacial realm where there seems to be a living consciousness/entity in it. The slight nausea and shorter span makes it less recreational.. When it hits you, you want to lay down or just not be very active.
No, there are "living spirits" in the LSD intoxication, although it could all just be in the head similar to "quasi spirit contact" with salvia, although they're both different from traditional DMT hyperspace entity contact.
Acid CEVs look lifeless, like a joke compared to DMT or probably psilocybin too.
If you take high enough doses of acid you black or white out for an hour or two because you're too stoned and can't move, because you melted into the couch, so to speak. There are entities in LSD (the "extradimensional mathematicians who designed the algorithms this universe runs on and are way smarter than any human in this plane-realm"). But high enough doses of acid can still have cool CEVs if you work with it and focus a little bit.
When you white out from acid, it shows you visions like a movie or video, slightly different from DMT. Still somewhat comical and serious. Some people say acid isn't visual for them, but it's always been visual for me (as well as "psychoanalytical", or with "racing thoughts"). Mushrooms are like DMT except it hits you less intense than if you smoked it (the come up) and it lasts longer, so it's spread out over a few hours rather than a few minutes.
Edited by Blabble40 (08/12/18 02:07 PM)
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It seems very obvious to me that LSD and mushrooms are far more similar than different. There is huge overlap in their effects.
Mushrooms and LSD are so similar, excepting time-course and stimulation, that their remaining differences are negligible.
You're right about the obvious: LSD lasts about twice as long.
I find LSD more stimulating than mushrooms. If I recall correctly, LSD does bind better to dopamine receptors than psilocin.
I find LSD tends to produce more intricate, detailed visuals than mushrooms. That's entirely subjective and could simply be the cumulative result of my experiences rather than having anything to do with the physical properties of the drug interacting with my brain.
I really think that a lot of detailed differences that many report between LSD and psilocin are completely unreliable.
I suspect that if a double-blind test were set up where volunteers did not have enough time to identify the drug based on its time-course, that many people who fail to accurately identify whether they were on LSD or psilocin.
Some seem to believe that they are walking GC-MSes and that they can tell what chemical is what just by eating it. I've not seen double-blind discrimination tests for LSD vs. psilocin, though I have seen at least one paper where experienced hallucinogen users thought DXM was a classical psychedelic (e.g. mushrooms or LSD) and not a dissociative.
I've found that mentioning this finding to some psychedelic drug users angers them so much that they insist the findings are irrelevant because it's just not possible that the subjects were experienced (basically their argument for dismissing the findings is that it goes against popular opinion).
Other than the difference in duration and stimulation, My suggestion is to take anything anyone tells you about their differences with much skepticism (including what I say).
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I agree with you on that, other than stimulation and duration there is little difference.
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I have to disagree. I think they’re very different and I could for sure tell them apart. Totally different feelings
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Geloman
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I could definitely tell them apart, the come up on LSD is more intense for me and I feel energized, sometimes too much but I wonder sometimes if its because I take too small of doses at times, Ive been up to 400mcg and as low as 10 mcg. I honestly don't know which Id rather have, they're both good for different situations.
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Re: Psilocybin vs LSD [Re: Geloman] 2
#25383754 - 08/12/18 02:33 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you think lsd and mushrooms are hardly different, you haven't eaten enough of either
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Re: Psilocybin vs LSD [Re: Blabble40]
#25383779 - 08/12/18 02:45 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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ryanvergel said: Both are chemically related to each other, both psychedelics, both are similar in effect.
But where do they differ? Obviously the effects of LSD are logner-lasting, with longer plateau, etc. But as far as the actual experience or brain influence, what is diferent among the psychedelics?
Any information or reads would be nice. I spent a good chunk of time trying to google my way around, but that never works well.
LSD is psycho-analytical. The visuals seem to come from the visual cortex. There isnt a living spirit in the experience. The visuals are cool, but they dont seem to bring you to a hyperspace unless you work long and hard with it. Its much more recreational due to no nausea, longer lasting, and how you seem to still stay in "this world"
Psilocybin is psycho-analytical, but only on the comeup. The visuals seem to come from the same place dreams come from. You hallucinate into a hyper-spacial realm where there seems to be a living consciousness/entity in it. The slight nausea and shorter span makes it less recreational.. When it hits you, you want to lay down or just not be very active.
No, there are "living spirits" in the LSD intoxication, although it could all just be in the head similar to "quasi spirit contact" with salvia, although they're both different from traditional DMT hyperspace entity contact.
Acid CEVs look lifeless, like a joke compared to DMT or probably psilocybin too.
If you take high enough doses of acid you black or white out for an hour or two because you're too stoned and can't move, because you melted into the couch, so to speak. There are entities in LSD (the "extradimensional mathematicians who designed the algorithms this universe runs on and are way smarter than any human in this plane-realm"). But high enough doses of acid can still have cool CEVs if you work with it and focus a little bit.
When you white out from acid, it shows you visions like a movie or video, slightly different from DMT. Still somewhat comical and serious. Some people say acid isn't visual for them, but it's always been visual for me (as well as "psychoanalytical", or with "racing thoughts"). Mushrooms are like DMT except it hits you less intense than if you smoked it (the come up) and it lasts longer, so it's spread out over a few hours rather than a few minutes.
I disagree. I have never had entity contact or felt a presence from LSD. that's why everyone says lsd puts you in the driver seat while mushrooms put you in the passenger seat.
I agree about the CEVs..for me they are almost nonexistent on LSD. whenever I try to do LSD in darkness I end up waddling over to the light in a massive mindfuck to turn the light on because I feel LSD is a lot cooler in the light. But if you turn on a dmt trip simulator on your computer, the LSD enhances it greatly and you can feel like you're in dmt land. But overall I like looking around the room in atleast a dimly lit room on LSD.
But all my years taking LSD never did i think something or someone else was watching over me or inhabiting that space with me. That's not a bad thing, it is what it is. LSD is awesome when you want to enhance something..like a watching a movie, sporting event, or a music festival. Mushrooms are totally different and when I do them, it's just me, the mushroom, and silent darkness.
The chemicals are so different and become even more unique the higher the dose. If you fiddle around with small doses, they feel alike.
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Re: Psilocybin vs LSD [Re: Enkidu]
#25383791 - 08/12/18 02:52 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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LSD has this rock-solid body high that stays consistent throughout and rises in intensity during the peak. It feels energizing, euphoric, very distinctive. It’s consistent in that it feels the same every time I do it, and it maintains momentum up to the end of the experience.. Mushrooms have a less consistent (more peaks and valleys) and more alien feeling body high that kind of feels like straddling two dimensions and falling over the edge repeatedly into unknown territory. The potential for euphoria is there but it’s more of a hollow and light and giddy feeling that resonates from the solar plexus outward. It can become uncomfortably intense. LSD can too, but it’s more euphoric, more head and whole-body oriented.
LSD visuals are more like geometric overlays onto my surroundings, and the melting and drifting effects are fast, sometimes more like rippling water. Mushroom geometry is less complex, seems more organic, often attached to physical surroundings rather than overlayed on top of my vision. The drifting and melting effects are slow and dreamy and can seem more realistic than the faster sometimes jittery motion on lsd.
The biggest difference is my state of mind. On lsd I feel pretty confident for tripping balls, at least in the sense that I enjoy the visual madness and welcome it, on mushrooms I can’t help but feel a lot more apprehensive about the visual distortions and extreme physical sensations.
I almost feel ‘drunk’ on lsd for lack of a better word. Lowered inhibitions, more free thought and speech, ready to party, and everything is hilarious.
There’s obviously some overlap between these drugs but they are as different as they are similar. LSD affects some different receptor sites associated with dopamine and euphoria that psilocybin doesn’t. Forgive my limited understanding of brain chemistry...
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I also agree with bill on the spirit aspect. LSD is more of a magnifying glass. Mushrooms are like scrying in a crystal ball. I get the feeling of a teacher playing visions for me to interpret
I don’t know where they found these kids who couldn’t tell DXM from LSD, but as far as I’m concerned that study is meaningless. My own experiences have far greater weight in my opinion. Who knows how badly they screwed that study up or how inexperienced the participants were.
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Bill_Oreilly
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LSD visuals are more like geometric overlays onto my surroundings
I almost feel ‘drunk’ on lsd for lack of a better word. Lowered inhibitions, more free thought and speech, ready to party, and everything is hilarious.
I agree with those 2 statements 100%...besides maybe the party thing
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Bill_Oreilly
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super gay. would certainly kill my lsd trip if i put that on
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Re: Psilocybin vs LSD [Re: Enkidu]
#25384176 - 08/12/18 06:03 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ive eaten both more times than I can remember ,have taken both at times.... I know what im doin bud...maybe we shouldn't presume things we know nothing of.
Edited by Geloman (08/12/18 06:05 PM)
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I feel the same way, LSD is nice at a concert or parties...mushrooms are more personal for me
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This might be straying off but the only thing I have felt anything close to "entities"..and I know this sounds cliche but DMT...it wasn't in the usual way though with elfs or aliens, I felt as if I was hearing voices and one had an English accent it was kind of creepy actually because they felt so foreign and unfamiliar.
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