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having a bad trip
    #5564271 - 04/27/06 07:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

im trying to understand what causes bad trips and good trips. when your having a bad trip does the shroom look for your fears and use that? or does it do random things? and what about good trips? where does all these knowledge you gain when tripping come from? is it possible to control a level 5?


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Re: having a bad trip [Re: l33tflip1]
    #5564411 - 04/27/06 08:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Bad trips in my experience are usually brought on by built up anxiety or emotional distress that you have failed to deal with. Terence McKenna's method for avoiding a bad trip is one that I really concur with: before you trip, you should look inward and think about the negative things that you normally store away and try to repress on some level. If you do a decent amount of self-reflection and pyschoanalysis prior to the trip, these subjects will simply seem boring to you, and you'll be more free to explore the wonders of your altered state of consciousness.


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My body I will give to pleasures,
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to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: having a bad trip [Re: l33tflip1]
    #5564425 - 04/27/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Too my understanding, psychadelics are a magnifying glass of the mind. Any adverse emotion felt can send one to a bad trip, from my knowledge.


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Re: having a bad trip [Re: l33tflip1]
    #5564436 - 04/27/06 08:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

level 5's can't be controlled because there is nobody around to control them.......


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Re: having a bad trip [Re: Lion]
    #5564464 - 04/27/06 08:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Bad trips in my experience are usually brought on by built up anxiety or emotional distress that you have failed to deal with.  Terence McKenna's method for avoiding a bad trip is one that I really concur with: before you trip, you should look inward and think about the negative things that you normally store away and try to repress on some level.  If you do a decent amount of self-reflection and pyschoanalysis prior to the trip, these subjects will simply seem boring to you, and you'll be more free to explore the wonders of your altered state of consciousness.



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Nice! Great post! I was going to say pretty much what this guy said. Alot of people have spiritual trips that scare them and make them analyze things that they usually blind themselves to. Hallucinogens shatter their ego and "open their eyes". Some perceive this to be a bad trip.


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Re: having a bad trip [Re: blissedout]
    #5564551 - 04/27/06 08:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Try stating your intentions to yourself beforehand. If you're aware of what you'd like to happen, when things are going on you may have the ability to mold them to your ideas, kinda like when you realize you're dreaming. The ability to do this does drop exponentially as you go deeper into the experience. :mushroom2:


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Re: having a bad trip [Re: ThreePieceSuit]
    #5564747 - 04/27/06 09:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

In my experience, all of my bad trips have occured whilst being in the company of bad people. Well, not entirely bad, but ones who seemed suspicious or had secret motives, or that I didnt know well enough to enjoy the trip with. Of coarse, this anxiety around them was a reflection of my own insecurity and inexperience at that time. Now a days I trip alone, in my own place, because its safe and Im safe to myself. I play music I enjoy and do things that feed my pyhcedelic experience. If your comfortable with yourself, the trip will flow smooth, if you have nerve racking responsibilities and stigma's, then you will have to deal with those feelings, most times, its controlable. Dont go raping your mind with terrifying things like horror movies, this will only exagerate those vibes, somtimes, unfortunately for some, indefinately. IMO bad trips are the result of poor planning and subjective influence. Take control of the trip, dont let it control you.


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Re: having a bad trip [Re: l33tflip1]
    #5564858 - 04/27/06 10:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

im with cge0, in that psychedelics intensify what would otherwise be your normal, day to day experience. a little bit of planning on "set" (your mood and consciousness) and "setting" (the physical area you occupy) as Dr Leary would call it can go a long way. i think of psychedelics dissolving these two aspects of experience and melding them together in their own little way, and control of these two aspects should reduce the chances of having a bad trip to being dependent on extraneous variables... latent mental disorders or an airplane crashing through your roof for example.


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Re: having a bad trip [Re: psilocy]
    #5564923 - 04/27/06 10:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I guess a good way to sum it all up would be to not rush into your psychedelics, because you could end up getting scared. Take it easy, start slow, work your way up.
Enjoy it man, life is good and it's important to appreciate what you've got.
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Re: having a bad trip [Re: l33tflip1]
    #5566892 - 04/28/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It all comes down to set and setting.

Psychedelic means "mind" (psyche) "manifester". Everything you feel, whether good or bad, will be amplified. That's why if you trip in a good mood, with no obligations, in a safe area, away from harm, with trustworthy and friendly people, and have faith in yourself (good set and setting), it is very difficult for a trip to go awry.

However if you are in a not so good mood, have some worries, concerns, doubts, fears, or are in a dangerous or risky place with people you neither know nor trust, the chance of having a bad trip is greatly increased.

As for a level 5 trip, Slipknot is right, there's no one around to be experiencing the trip, so good or bad, it's just an experience.


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Re: having a bad trip [Re: dblaney]
    #5567020 - 04/28/06 01:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Personnaly, I dont belive in bad trips - just difficult lessons. I dont think I'd ever have a trip where I would reflect back on and think 'that was bad'. However, everyone is different.

Although, some common things which you can feel on a trip that some people would call a bad-trip.

- extreme time dilation, and convinced that it is days later, and your still tripping, and never going to come down

- fear of doing too much, being sick, and never going to be the same again

- fear that your judgment is so badly altered that you may do something stupid like jump off a building, and spend the trip hiding in a corner terrified to leave it

- people around you that you don?t know/trust and getting paranoid

- thinking you are about to blackout/vomit/die -- mushrooms can cause some pretty wacky body sensations, and allot of people don?t know how to interpret them. They have crazy thoughts like 'if I close my eyes, I'm going to die!' and things like that

- everything around you looks foreign/new, you see the world around you - but nothing makes sense. You see a tree, but whats a tree? and why are you seeing a tree? hell - what is a tree? the concept of a tree seems totaly foreign to you : this can freak people out

- objects shifting in size, and perspectives getting distorted. That one block walk may seem like a 1000 mile hike

- People around you changing, features can become greatly distorted and exaggerated, adn at times even taking on the appearances of something totally new (ie: people looking like hamsters, or worse - monsters)

- Mental issues, current anxieties or stress causing thoughts may start popping up into your head. On mushrooms, your thoughts tend to speed up into thought loops that can be difficult to break out of, you can start overly dwelling on the 'bad things' in your life, get you depressed/upset/angry/anxious

- Too much stimulation going on around you, things just feel 'too intense' and you are not sure of how to react/respond

- Allot of the things that your body goes on auto-pilot on while sober. Like, knowing when you have to go to the bathroom, being too hot, being too cold : you may start to feel physically uncomfortable and not know why, and who knows ? maybe you just need to take a piss

- Concepts such as time, self, place, meaning, language can seem totally foreign to you. You may hear someone talking, hear them saying words ? know that they are words, but you will have an impossible time connecting meaning to those words, they midsawell be speaking to you in a language you don?t understand. You may lose track of what ?you? are ? place and time can become meaningless, two hours can seem like a minute, a minute can feel like days


These are all parts of trips, and for some people ? they don?t like it, or don?t know how to handle it, or they get something more intense then what they bargined for. Then, they start trying to ?fight the trip? ? which just throws all the bad things into over-drive which makes them even worse. The best way to avoid a bad trip on shrooms are

a. set and setting are ideal
b. know mushrooms, read, read, read some more ? read stories on bad trips, on good trips, re-assure yourself that the trip WILL end, that its not going to last for ever, know that its not going to kill you, know that you will not die. Trust the mushrooms
c. Last, but probably the most important - Once A+B are done : feel comfortable letting go and not fighting the experience.


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Re: having a bad trip [Re: kaniz]
    #5567199 - 04/28/06 02:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"- everything around you looks foreign/new, you see the world around you - but nothing makes sense. You see a tree, but whats a tree? and why are you seeing a tree? hell - what is a tree? the concept of a tree seems totaly foreign to you : this can freak people out"

That's one of my favorite parts of a trip. Seeing things that I see everyday, but during the trip questioning it so much to the point where ... is it even real? Could THAT be "God"? It's an orgasm.


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Re: having a bad trip [Re: iheartpr0n]
    #5567203 - 04/28/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Oh, I love expierencing all of the above myself :P I like how it feels like i'm experencing the world through the eyes of a child who is seeing everything as amazing and new for the first time ever.

However, as much as I enjoy those aspects of the trip, I can understand how for many others - it can be terrifying.

I enjoy letting go and enjoying the ride -- there has been many times I've gone on an adventure while tripping (LSD or Mush), end up 100% lost, no clue where I am, or even where I was heading, or -- I knew where I was then POOF, the world is replaced around me and seems 100% alien, and I just think 'wow, neat new world to explore!' and carry on and not let it scare me.

But, I can see how that'd terrify other people also and lead to a bad trip for them.


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Re: having a bad trip [Re: kaniz]
    #5567224 - 04/28/06 03:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I think the trouble is classifying the different types and ways a bad trip can come about. Sure, someone might say they had a bad trip when they had to talk to the cops or they were surrounded by people they couldn't handle. Then there is the sadness at existence. But I think most of these bad trips are not really bad trips, just a bad way of dealing with the trip.

I do think there are genuinely bad trips, though. Like the universe was in alignment and well, it just led to something absolutely not fun, nor considered fun by anyone. I have never experienced something like this before, but I have seen it happen. Sure, the person might not have been able to integrate the experience, but it still leaves me with doubts that there aren't purely down trips.

I would say the top things that make a trip turn hard to handle are:
Set and setting of course
Obligations
The idea of existence
Reality impedeing on your trip, such as obligations
Friends and their need for social interaction
Drunks...yuck, on a trip they seem out of loop
Authority figures


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Re: having a bad trip [Re: mecreateme]
    #5567253 - 04/28/06 03:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Great post guys, all new trippers should read this, and for the experienced ones it is a great reminder on how to properly approach your adventure.


Edited by johnhenry (04/28/06 03:20 PM)


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