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What do you think about this?
#5563398 - 04/27/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Video from the May 9, 2001 National Press Club Press Conference. Billed as "Definitive Proof Aliens and UFOs Exist".
http://69.56.146.50/netrostream113/npcc.wmv
Personally I think the guy is a quack, but you never know.
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Ythan]
#5563647 - 04/27/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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The problem with the whole UFO thing is this:
If there are creatures sufficiently advanced to exceed the speed of light, then there are two possibilities: they want to be seen or they do not want to be seen.
1. If they DON'T want us to see them, their technology would certainly be able to prevent it. So why do they keep getting caught on film all the time?
2. If they DID want us to see them, they would land on Miami Beach and say 'wassup', but they haven't done that.
Either way, believing we're being visited makes no sense.
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Diploid]
#5563990 - 04/27/06 06:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Diploid said: 1. If they DON'T want us to see them, their technology would certainly be able to prevent it. So why do they keep getting caught on film all the time?
Certainty is a tricky thing: there is no such thing as absolute certainty. That being said, there is always a margin of error, and it remains a possibility that technological failures will occur.
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Darcho]
#5564084 - 04/27/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I agree with Darcho
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Diploid]
#5564086 - 04/27/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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There's a third option though: They don't have any interest in communicating with us, yet they really don't mind being seen.
Do you go to special effort to hide yourself from ants? Do you kneel right down over the ant farm and talk to them? Would they understand you if you did?
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Ythan]
#5564102 - 04/27/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I tried to watch the clip, but I can't. I don't suppose you have a video file that's actually a video file, and not some Windows Media shenanigans, do you ythan? You should know better.
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Darcho]
#5564312 - 04/27/06 07:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Certainty is a tricky thing: there is no such thing as absolute certainty.
Maybe not, but to travel faster than light would likely require a technology able to harness the energy of about an entire galaxy or more. It makes no sense to grant some creatures that incredible ability but somehow deny that they could easily hide from us.
They don't have any interest in communicating with us, yet they really don't mind being seen
If they didn't mind being seen, they would be seen more often. Our planet is covered in ground radar, weather radar, orbiting spy satellites, and all manner of science instrumentation and space telescopes making measurements throughout the solar system and out to the edge of interstellar space. Even with all this, not one single solid, scientifically verified image of an alien ship has ever been captured.
And every image taken by a human is a fuzzy could-be-anything despite people claiming abductions and landings right in front of them. This, even though the world is filled with billions of cell phone, video, and still cameras that can produce extremely sharp images.
I never say never, but when something doesn't make sense, it's usually for a good reason.
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: supercollider]
#5565344 - 04/27/06 11:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey WMV is as standard as any of the other dumb formats floating around the net. I'm sure you can find a player for your OS. Anyway it's not my video I just found the link.
I agree that while the universe is almost certainly filled with life, it's just too damn big for anyone to be dropping in on us to say 'hi' with any regularity. I predict communication if we make it another 1,000 years, through radio or some high-tech successor.
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Ythan]
#5565826 - 04/28/06 02:47 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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> I agree that while the universe is almost certainly filled with life, it's just too damn big for anyone to be dropping in on us
It isn't only the universe that is big, but time itself. This universe is billions of years old while humans are maybe 20,000 years old. There is a huge magnitude of difference between the two. Not only would an alien intelligence have to find us geographically in the universe, but they would also have to find us in a very tiny sliver of time. I certainly believe that there is, and has been, intelligent alien life out there... I just don't think they have visited us anymore than we have visisted them... as Diploid said, it doesn't make sense. (This is one time I would love to be wrong.)
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Diploid]
#5566305 - 04/28/06 08:56 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes and all that equiptment is picking stuff up!!!!
There are literally hundreds of craft reports that have been captured on radar both in the sky and on the ground.
If the pilots file a report - they are individually scrutinised. "You sure your eyes are fit for flying!". And the report goes no-where.
So its of no use either way.
Its near impossible to "scientifically verify an alien ship". You expect this to happen? Are scientists even studying these things (very few)?
You'd have to quantify it, meaning we'd have to capture one of the ships and then test the occupants DNA to proove thats its not human. Even if this happened, would they tell anybody?
Diploid, there is more evidence for E.T visiting Earth than there is for God. But you havn't seen it - so your logic denies it. This dualistic mindset will not help you ascertain the truth, because things are not simply this or that. We are working with the whole spectrum of posability here, and one things for certain - theres something unknown in our skies which is largely ignored or/and surpressed.
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Diploid]
#5566325 - 04/28/06 09:04 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Theres many things that have suggested to me that another intelligence is present - have you seen the NASA video of a saucer on the moon?
The saucer is blatently sat on the moon!
Its on the Apollo 16 mission, the astronaut sees flashes coming from the darkside of the moon. In his 2nd orbit they ask him to watch again and he films the flashes. But not only does he get the flashes, a UFO appears flying alongside the flashes (This is not just the camera the astronaut sees this on the moon).
A bit later they see the saucer just sat there in the dark on the moon. They pan the camera and when they pan back the saucer has changed colour.
Theres such a weight of evidence with the UFO phenomena. You can believe that is all a big hoax if you want but I contend that you havn't even studied half of the available evidence. You certainly seem to of made your mind up that you don't believe ET is visiting Earth.
Watch 'Riddle of the skies' a channel 4 documentary.
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Ego Death]
#5566345 - 04/28/06 09:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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BTW - four labs have already sent particles beyond the speed of light and we are still waiting for science to accept this new concept!
My grandad believed that flying machines were impossible. His logic told him 'how could something heavy like a machine possibly fly?'. You know what happened...
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Ego Death]
#5566422 - 04/28/06 09:42 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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> Its near impossible to "scientifically verify an alien ship".
Only because of the lack of an actual alien ship to verify.
> Diploid, there is more evidence for E.T visiting Earth than there is for God.
Actually, I would say they are about equal in evidence. People want to believe.
> theres something unknown in our skies which is largely ignored or/and surpressed.
Unknown does not equal little grey aliens from Zandubar. I spent an entire semester looking for UFOs in a graduate level EE class. Odd but true. The focus of the class was filter design on DSPs. We were given hundreds of high quality scans of photos that were "UFOs" and had to design filters to bring out artifacts in the pictures to show they there were not UFOs. It is amazing to see the string holding up the UFO all the sudden come out, or the cut lines from a superimposed image all the sudden shine through like a halo.
> four labs have already sent particles beyond the speed of light and we are still waiting for science to accept this new concept!
Be careful of your claims here. They did not send particles faster than the speed of light. They have seen electormagnetic radiation apparently propagate faster than the speed of light. However, no information (this is impoprtant) has been demonstrated to travel faster than the speed of light. I am only aware of two studies, not four.
> My grandad believed that flying machines were impossible.
Good example. A lot of people believed that machine flight was impossible, but they were wrong. A lot of people believe in UFOs, but that doesn't mean that aliens are visiting us. Just because a lot of people believe in something does not mean that it is true, as science ultimately proved to your grandfather when planes became reality.
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Ego Death]
#5567368 - 04/28/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes and all that equiptment is picking stuff up!!!!
Actually, it's not.
It is often the case that a UFO proponent will stumble onto an image made by one of NASA's instruments observing our solar system that looks like this:
Notice how Mr. Birdsall, the editor of UFO magazine, states that this image is 'irrefutable evidence of UFOs' because it comes from an orbiting NASA instrument. This is classic 'wanting it to be true' rather than taking a hard, critical look at the evidence.
That 'object' is an artifact from a manufacturing imperfection in the CCD imaging chip used in the SOHO instrument's camera. All CCD imaging chips contain a few imperfections. When cameras and cell phones with these chips are manufactured, part of the process is to make a mathematical mapping of where the imperfections are so that, as the camera shoots pictures, it can compensate for the tiny flaws. Scientific instruments do not perform this compensation because the raw data, flaws and all, is more important than a pretty picture.
If you look at all 50 million or so images shot by the SOHO instrument, you will find the same 'irrefutable evidence of an alien ship' at the exact same pixel every time.
If the pilots file a report - they are individually scrutinized. "You sure your eyes are fit for flying!". And the report goes no-where.
Now you're making things up. I am a private pilot, so you can't bullshit me. This is my airplane:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/files/05-26/014498095-front_s.jpg
I've been flying for 20 years and I have yet to see anything in the sky that could have been an alien ship. Besides, if pilots really did see space ships often, one of them (or a passenger) would have shot a CRYSTAL CLEAR picture by now and sent it to CNN.
The reason this hasn't happened is because, when the object is far enough away and the lighting conditions are poor, it's a UFO, but when it gets close enough for a CRYSTAL CLEAR picture, the observer realizes it's actually some ordinary object and not worth photographing.
have you seen the NASA video of a saucer on the moon?
Link?
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Edited by Diploid (04/28/06 05:48 PM)
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Seuss]
#5572911 - 04/30/06 01:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I guess I just have to agree with most of the things that have been said by Seuss and Diploid...
Although I think there is probably a good chance that life exists outside of our galaxy, afterall, it is just a matter of a lot of time and a little luck the evidence just isn't there to back up claims of "visitation"... I can claim that I've had sex with supermodels, yet without pictures/video, who would believe me?
Evidence == Key
God vs. Aliens? I was going to say "WTF?" until I thought about it for a second and realized there are a lot of parallels...
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: absolute zero]
#5576350 - 05/01/06 04:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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> I guess I just have to agree with most of the things that have been said by Seuss and Diploid...
That is just it... don't agree with us, or anybody else... rather, open your eyes and think for yourself! Both sides present good evidence. Personally, to me, it doesn't make sense that aliens would go to all the trouble of visiting us without making it known, unless they wanted to remain hidden... and if they have the technology to visit us, and they want to remain hidden, I don't think we would see anything at all. I will start to believe when an alien beams me up and probes my ... but I will always leave room for the posibility, small as it may be in my mind.
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Seuss]
#5576592 - 05/01/06 08:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I talk to aliens everyday. THIS IS A FACT. Just yesterday I bought some gas and some cigarettes from them. I can put up pictures if someone wants me to prove it, you'll need to send me one of those $15 walmart digicams though so I can film it. They seem to like black women a lot, at least the aliens I know/have seen.
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Anonymous]
#5590074 - 05/04/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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maybe they have tried to make it known but have been blocked from reACHING the masses like if nasa receives a some audio from e.t. do u really think theyd share it or be aloud to. our government fears its people.
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Diploid]
#5590297 - 05/04/06 02:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Diploid said:
have you seen the NASA video of a saucer on the moon?
Link?
http://ufocasebook.com/bestufopictures3.html
not a video, but i was interested and looked around on google and found that site w/ a few that are supposedly from the Apollo missions. If they've been tampered with who knows...
edit: after a little more searching i found this: http://www.geocities.com/futureshock2000/apollo16ufo.zip
Looks like it could be easily faked though, IMO
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: morphius2661]
#5590510 - 05/04/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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wow alot of neat photos on that site
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Diploid]
#5607945 - 05/09/06 09:27 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I could spend all day explaining what you've overlooked but I can't be bothered - I don't need to convine you because I already know.
BTW - I don't want to believe, I'd be much happier being ignorant or undecided but for some of us (who've had close encounters) it becomes impossible to deny.
I believe the craft are as real as the computer in front of me, anyway!
My source for some of the information I was talking about came from an unbiased UK documentary by the very respectable channel 4 company. Its called 'riddle of the skies'.
If you care to be proven wrong on your opinion about the NASA video's (they obtained them from NASA and interviewed the astronauts that took them!) and your opinion of pilot and radar sightings then watch that documentary!
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Ego Death]
#5608092 - 05/09/06 10:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Are you aware that its only the UK and America whose governments are stating that UFO's are NOT indicative of an E.T presence.
Russia's UFO's files are all open for public viewing. They have been investigated to the highest scientific and military in the Russian's version of America's Project Blue Book.
The Russians however came to the conclusion that the phenomena was indicative of an E.T presence. They stated that "there probably is an alien civilisation present" - General Vacenia Elexia (sp?) of the Russian armed forces. He also stated "If you take ALL the available evidence then theres no other explaination that makes any sense."
During the Belgian UFO flap there were hundreds of videos and photographs taken of a black triangle type UFO. The images have been proven to not be fakes and have been computer enhanced. They show clearly that there is a solid triangular craft.
During this same incident, F-16 fighter jets were scrambled to intercept the triangle UFO. Captain Yves Meelbergs was one of the F-16 pilots scrambled. The F-16's had repeated lock-ons to the UFO but as they got closer the UFO changed speed and direction with amazing maneuverability. Most of time it was even flying in space!
The sightings were also confirmed by 2 radar stations on the ground, nobody involved in this incident was in any doubt as to whether or not this craft was solid and real!
The united states confirmed officially that it was not them flying new technology over Belgium nor could one explain why the US would be testing new technology over Belgium.
The radar tape from one of the F-16's was examined by professor Emile sweicher (sp?) a distinguished physicist there. He states that the radar recordings of the crafts maneuver's are "impossible by our laws of physics". He continues to say that the craft could "change velocity very suddenly which is impossible as it gives an infinite acceleration".
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Ego Death]
#5608115 - 05/09/06 10:14 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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> The Russians however came to the conclusion that the phenomena was indicative of an E.T presence.
Funny... I just read an interview a month or three ago with the ex-head of the Soviet era KGB and he said the exact opposite... that the Soviet Union had dumped tons of money and put the brightest Soviet minds to work trying to prove or disprove that alien UFOs existed... and after years of research the best of the best in the Soviet Union concluded that there was no evidence what-so-ever (as in none) to support the conclusion that aliens or alien devices had visisted Earth.
If anybody has the link for the above story that I was reading, please post it. I want to make sure I got my facts correct... memory can be a tricky thing.
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Ego Death]
#5608173 - 05/09/06 10:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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As for the Astronauts - where do I begin!
Apollo 16 Ken Mattingly in the lunar orbiter. He saw 2 flashes on the surface of the moon. NASA used seismometers which could detect the impact of meteors which should explain the flashes.
On the 2nd orbit Mattingly studied carefully for any flashes and at what times there was NO seismic activity.
The cameras picked up the video of the 2 flashes and also show a disc shaped object flying near to the source of the flashes. NASA have no explanations for the source of these lights.
Dr Jack Casher - head of physics at Nebraska University has studied one of the most impressive of NASA's moon UFO videos. It shows what appears to be a classic saucer shaped craft just sat there landed on the moon. Dr. Casher is convinced that this object is a flying saucer of unknown origin.
On mission STS-73 astronaut Ketty Coleman announces clearly that she has seen a UFO. "We have an unidentified flying object." she reports.
Gordon Cooper is an astronaut who is convinced the Earth is being visited E.T. In 1978 he went to the united nations with a letter describing his experience with flying saucers when he was a pilot. Cooper is of the highest accredited background being in the military, a pilot and an astronaut and is convinced he has seen craft that he believes could not of come from human technology.
I can give you examples from loads air traffic controllers and pilots UFO related incidents but that is not my point.
My point is that why would we be testing advanced craft or even flying at all in commercial airspace?
This also points to an alien presence because the radar specialists and pilots are in no doubt that something physical is flying in their airspace and in some cases appeared to be scanning the planes before out-maneuvering them.
Why would the military fly secret planes in to radar zones? Especially ones shown to be capable of flying in space!
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Seuss]
#5608181 - 05/09/06 10:38 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I gave you the source - General Vacenia Elexia (sp?) of the Russian armed forces.
I am not lying - but different agencies such as the KGB may have come to other conclusions or non-conclusions.
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Seuss]
#5608196 - 05/09/06 10:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not pointing the finger or anything but I'm constantly getting the impression that non-believers have not studied unbiasly.
When someone states "pilots don't see UFO's" you wonder if they have really studied the phenomena at all...
Its easier to just stick with general opinion though - not so much work or thought involved!
Unfortunately, generally opinion on this subject appears to be humor. Laughing it off seems far easier than accepting the posability of its reality.
I'm sure the majority of healthy human beings would agree that advanced aliens come into the catagory of fright not humour. I don't want some super intelligent being being able to do whatever it wants to me but it appears to be the most plausable explaination for the MASS of evidence here.
BTW - Can you detect God on a radar? Have hundreds of accredited officials seen God? Does God leave an impression when he lands in the field behind your house?
Just a thought!
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Ego Death]
#5608324 - 05/09/06 11:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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It seems to me that it is entirely possible that we are viewed by others as a cosmic disease, a temporary rash of yuck which must at all costs be contained!
 it is possible...
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Ego Death]
#5608390 - 05/09/06 11:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Are you aware that its only the UK and America whose governments are stating that UFO's are NOT indicative of an E.T presence.
Russia's UFO's files are all open for public viewing.
So, while ET crashes all the time in places like Roswell, he never crashes in Russia, a country with far more surface area than the US, because Russia, fully open about it's UFO information, as you say, has never produced a single piece of alien metal or a bacteria or virus with DNA that could not have evolved on Earth.
Ditto for every other non-US-allied country, including the likes of Libya, North Korea, Cuba, Iran, and a bevy of others that would like nothing better than to embarrass the US by exposing government UFO coverups and lies.
That make sense to you?
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Diploid]
#5611999 - 05/10/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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So, while ET crashes all the time in places like Roswell, he never crashes in Russia,
Errr, yeah whatever YOU say Diploid? 
I think you have already judged me to fit into your common conception of an E.T enthusiast.
I don't even believe in the crashed discs rubbish myself. Its unlikely that they would come all the way through space and then crash here.
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alien metal or a bacteria or virus with DNA that could not have evolved on Earth.
No they havn't but at least they try! Scientists there study alledged landing sites for traces of unusual phenomena. There are several cases where the scientists have found unusually large amounts of radiation and the plant life there starts to die too.
What makes you assume the alens are not sterile in there activity?
Why would they just leave some alien metal lying around? Maybe aliens are tidy creatures! Who knows!
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Ditto for every other non-US-allied country, including the likes of Libya, North Korea, Cuba, Iran, and a bevy of others that would like nothing better than to embarrass the US by exposing government UFO coverups and lies. That make sense to you?
What makes sense? That they would like to expose them - sure but can they expose them? Can anyone?
My view on the cover-up is this: You don't need to cover-up something that is already covering up itself. Maybe add a little controversey and misinformation to keep the public confused.
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Ego Death]
#5612425 - 05/10/06 12:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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> add a little controversey and misinformation to keep the public confused.
Exactly... however, I suspect the confusion is to hide military secrets, not to hide alien encounters.
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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Seuss]
#5616500 - 05/11/06 09:08 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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It depends if they know or not. I think some branches of the intelligence agencies do know.
The amount of UFO's in commercial and military airspace that have been investigated does suggest that they are not all military.
The military wouldn't fly advanced technology in commercial airspace - especially if they were trying to keep it a secret!
I don't know why E.T or E.Ts crafts would fly there either but the fact is theres a huge amount of pilot and radar sightings of advanced craft flying in these areas. Many of these sightings are from highly credable people and also have physical radar evidence of the objects.
Thats one of the things that I think indicates part of this phenomena is E.T. Other things are abduction stories from normal people such as Barney and Betty Hill, Travis Walton to name just a few common ones. Also, incidents that are seen and intercepted by the military such as Randlesham Forest incident, England. Surely they'd be clever enough to make sure other units didn't intercept their stealthy operations?
Ahhh, its good to be discussing UFO's in a science forum
Edited by danoEoboy (05/11/06 09:15 AM)
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