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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Diploid]
    #5607945 - 05/09/06 09:27 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I could spend all day explaining what you've overlooked but I can't be bothered - I don't need to convine you because I already know.

BTW - I don't want to believe, I'd be much happier being ignorant or undecided but for some of us (who've had close encounters) it becomes impossible to deny.

I believe the craft are as real as the computer in front of me, anyway!

My source for some of the information I was talking about came from an unbiased UK documentary by the very respectable channel 4 company. Its called 'riddle of the skies'.

If you care to be proven wrong on your opinion about the NASA video's (they obtained them from NASA and interviewed the astronauts that took them!) and your opinion of pilot and radar sightings then watch that documentary!


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Ego Death]
    #5608092 - 05/09/06 10:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Are you aware that its only the UK and America whose governments are stating that UFO's are NOT indicative of an E.T presence.

Russia's UFO's files are all open for public viewing. They have been investigated to the highest scientific and military in the Russian's version of America's Project Blue Book.

The Russians however came to the conclusion that the phenomena was indicative of an E.T presence. They stated that "there probably is an alien civilisation present" - General Vacenia Elexia (sp?) of the Russian armed forces. He also stated "If you take ALL the available evidence then theres no other explaination that makes any sense."


During the Belgian UFO flap there were hundreds of videos and photographs taken of a black triangle type UFO. The images have been proven to not be fakes and have been computer enhanced. They show clearly that there is a solid triangular craft.

During this same incident, F-16 fighter jets were scrambled to intercept the triangle UFO. Captain Yves Meelbergs was one of the F-16 pilots scrambled. The F-16's had repeated lock-ons to the UFO but as they got closer the UFO changed speed and direction with amazing maneuverability. Most of time it was even flying in space!

The sightings were also confirmed by 2 radar stations on the ground, nobody involved in this incident was in any doubt as to whether or not this craft was solid and real!

The united states confirmed officially that it was not them flying new technology over Belgium nor could one explain why the US would be testing new technology over Belgium.

The radar tape from one of the F-16's was examined by professor Emile sweicher (sp?) a distinguished physicist there. He states that the radar recordings of the crafts maneuver's are "impossible by our laws of physics". He continues to say that the craft could "change velocity very suddenly which is impossible as it gives an infinite acceleration".


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Ego Death]
    #5608115 - 05/09/06 10:14 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

> The Russians however came to the conclusion that the phenomena was indicative of an E.T presence.

Funny... I just read an interview a month or three ago with the ex-head of the Soviet era KGB and he said the exact opposite... that the Soviet Union had dumped tons of money and put the brightest Soviet minds to work trying to prove or disprove that alien UFOs existed... and after years of research the best of the best in the Soviet Union concluded that there was no evidence what-so-ever (as in none) to support the conclusion that aliens or alien devices had visisted Earth.

If anybody has the link for the above story that I was reading, please post it. I want to make sure I got my facts correct... memory can be a tricky thing.


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Ego Death]
    #5608173 - 05/09/06 10:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

As for the Astronauts - where do I begin!

Apollo 16 Ken Mattingly in the lunar orbiter. He saw 2 flashes on the surface of the moon. NASA used seismometers which could detect the impact of meteors which should explain the flashes.

On the 2nd orbit Mattingly studied carefully for any flashes and at what times there was NO seismic activity.

The cameras picked up the video of the 2 flashes and also show a disc shaped object flying near to the source of the flashes. NASA have no explanations for the source of these lights.

Dr Jack Casher - head of physics at Nebraska University has studied one of the most impressive of NASA's moon UFO videos. It shows what appears to be a classic saucer shaped craft just sat there landed on the moon. Dr. Casher is convinced that this object is a flying saucer of unknown origin.


On mission STS-73 astronaut Ketty Coleman announces clearly that she has seen a UFO. "We have an unidentified flying object." she reports.


Gordon Cooper is an astronaut who is convinced the Earth is being visited E.T. In 1978 he went to the united nations with a letter describing his experience with flying saucers when he was a pilot. Cooper is of the highest accredited background being in the military, a pilot and an astronaut and is convinced he has seen craft that he believes could not of come from human technology.


I can give you examples from loads air traffic controllers and pilots UFO related incidents but that is not my point.

My point is that why would we be testing advanced craft or even flying at all in commercial airspace?

This also points to an alien presence because the radar specialists and pilots are in no doubt that something physical is flying in their airspace and in some cases appeared to be scanning the planes before out-maneuvering them.

Why would the military fly secret planes in to radar zones? Especially ones shown to be capable of flying in space!


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Seuss]
    #5608181 - 05/09/06 10:38 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I gave you the source - General Vacenia Elexia (sp?) of the Russian armed forces.

I am not lying - but different agencies such as the KGB may have come to other conclusions or non-conclusions.


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Seuss]
    #5608196 - 05/09/06 10:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Not pointing the finger or anything but I'm constantly getting the impression that non-believers have not studied unbiasly.

When someone states "pilots don't see UFO's" you wonder if they have really studied the phenomena at all...

Its easier to just stick with general opinion though - not so much work or thought involved!

Unfortunately, generally opinion on this subject appears to be humor.  Laughing it off seems far easier than accepting the posability of its reality.

I'm sure the majority of healthy human beings would agree that advanced aliens come into the catagory of fright not humour.  I don't want some super intelligent being being able to do whatever it wants to me but it appears to be the most plausable explaination for the MASS of evidence here.

BTW -
Can you detect God on a radar?
Have hundreds of accredited officials seen God?
Does God leave an impression when he lands in the field behind your house?

Just a thought! :cool:


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Ego Death]
    #5608324 - 05/09/06 11:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It seems to me that it is entirely possible that we are viewed by others as a cosmic disease, a temporary rash of yuck which must at all costs be contained!
:smile: :smile: :smile:
it is possible...


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Ego Death]
    #5608390 - 05/09/06 11:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Are you aware that its only the UK and America whose governments are stating that UFO's are NOT indicative of an E.T presence.

Russia's UFO's files are all open for public viewing.


So, while ET crashes all the time in places like Roswell, he never crashes in Russia, a country with far more surface area than the US, because Russia, fully open about it's UFO information, as you say, has never produced a single piece of alien metal or a bacteria or virus with DNA that could not have evolved on Earth.

Ditto for every other non-US-allied country, including the likes of Libya, North Korea, Cuba, Iran, and a bevy of others that would like nothing better than to embarrass the US by exposing government UFO coverups and lies.

That make sense to you?


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Diploid]
    #5611999 - 05/10/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:

So, while ET crashes all the time in places like Roswell, he never crashes in Russia,




Errr, yeah whatever YOU say Diploid? :confused:

I think you have already judged me to fit into your common conception of an E.T enthusiast.

I don't even believe in the crashed discs rubbish myself.  Its unlikely that they would come all the way through space and then crash here.



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alien metal or a bacteria or virus with DNA that could not have evolved on Earth.




No they havn't but at least they try!  Scientists there study alledged landing sites for traces of unusual phenomena.  There are several cases where the scientists have found unusually large amounts of radiation and the plant life there starts to die too.

What makes you assume the alens are not sterile in there activity?

Why would they just leave some alien metal lying around?  Maybe aliens are tidy creatures!  Who knows!


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Ditto for every other non-US-allied country, including the likes of Libya, North Korea, Cuba, Iran, and a bevy of others that would like nothing better than to embarrass the US by exposing government UFO coverups and lies.
That make sense to you?




What makes sense?  That they would like to expose them - sure but can they expose them?  Can anyone?

My view on the cover-up is this:
You don't need to cover-up something that is already covering up itself.  Maybe add a little controversey and misinformation to keep the public confused.


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Ego Death]
    #5612425 - 05/10/06 12:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

> add a little controversey and misinformation to keep the public confused.

Exactly... however, I suspect the confusion is to hide military secrets, not to hide alien encounters.


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Seuss]
    #5616500 - 05/11/06 09:08 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It depends if they know or not.  I think some branches of the intelligence agencies do know.

The amount of UFO's in commercial and military airspace that have been investigated does suggest that they are not all military.

The military wouldn't fly advanced technology in commercial airspace - especially if they were trying to keep it a secret!

I don't know why E.T or E.Ts crafts would fly there either but the fact is theres a huge amount of pilot and radar sightings of advanced craft flying in these areas.  Many of these sightings are from highly credable people and also have physical radar evidence of the objects.

Thats one of the things that I think indicates part of this phenomena is E.T.  Other things are abduction stories from normal people such as Barney and Betty Hill, Travis Walton to name just a few common ones.  Also, incidents that are seen and intercepted by the military such as Randlesham Forest incident, England.  Surely they'd be clever enough to make sure other units didn't intercept their stealthy operations?

Ahhh, its good to be discussing UFO's in a science forum :smile:


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