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    #5563398 - 04/27/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Video from the May 9, 2001 National Press Club Press Conference. Billed as "Definitive Proof Aliens and UFOs Exist".

http://69.56.146.50/netrostream113/npcc.wmv

Personally I think the guy is a quack, but you never know.


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Ythan]
    #5563647 - 04/27/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The problem with the whole UFO thing is this:

If there are creatures sufficiently advanced to exceed the speed of light, then there are two possibilities: they want to be seen or they do not want to be seen.

1. If they DON'T want us to see them, their technology would certainly be able to prevent it. So why do they keep getting caught on film all the time?

2. If they DID want us to see them, they would land on Miami Beach and say 'wassup', but they haven't done that.

Either way, believing we're being visited makes no sense.


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Diploid]
    #5563990 - 04/27/06 06:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
1. If they DON'T want us to see them, their technology would certainly be able to prevent it. So why do they keep getting caught on film all the time?





Certainty is a tricky thing: there is no such thing as absolute certainty. That being said, there is always a margin of error, and it remains a possibility that technological failures will occur.


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Darcho]
    #5564084 - 04/27/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I agree with Darcho :thumbup:


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Diploid]
    #5564086 - 04/27/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

There's a third option though: They don't have any interest in communicating with us, yet they really don't mind being seen.

Do you go to special effort to hide yourself from ants? Do you kneel right down over the ant farm and talk to them? Would they understand you if you did?


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Ythan]
    #5564102 - 04/27/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I tried to watch the clip, but I can't. I don't suppose you have a video file that's actually a video file, and not some Windows Media shenanigans, do you ythan? You should know better.


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Darcho]
    #5564312 - 04/27/06 07:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Certainty is a tricky thing: there is no such thing as absolute certainty.

Maybe not, but to travel faster than light would likely require a technology able to harness the energy of about an entire galaxy or more. It makes no sense to grant some creatures that incredible ability but somehow deny that they could easily hide from us.

They don't have any interest in communicating with us, yet they really don't mind being seen

If they didn't mind being seen, they would be seen more often. Our planet is covered in ground radar, weather radar, orbiting spy satellites, and all manner of science instrumentation and space telescopes making measurements throughout the solar system and out to the edge of interstellar space. Even with all this, not one single solid, scientifically verified image of an alien ship has ever been captured.

And every image taken by a human is a fuzzy could-be-anything despite people claiming abductions and landings right in front of them. This, even though the world is filled with billions of cell phone, video, and still cameras that can produce extremely sharp images.

I never say never, but when something doesn't make sense, it's usually for a good reason.


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: supercollider]
    #5565344 - 04/27/06 11:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hey WMV is as standard as any of the other dumb formats floating around the net. I'm sure you can find a player for your OS. Anyway it's not my video I just found the link.

I agree that while the universe is almost certainly filled with life, it's just too damn big for anyone to be dropping in on us to say 'hi' with any regularity. I predict communication if we make it another 1,000 years, through radio or some high-tech successor.


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Ythan]
    #5565826 - 04/28/06 02:47 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

> I agree that while the universe is almost certainly filled with life, it's just too damn big for anyone to be dropping in on us

It isn't only the universe that is big, but time itself. This universe is billions of years old while humans are maybe 20,000 years old. There is a huge magnitude of difference between the two. Not only would an alien intelligence have to find us geographically in the universe, but they would also have to find us in a very tiny sliver of time. I certainly believe that there is, and has been, intelligent alien life out there... I just don't think they have visited us anymore than we have visisted them... as Diploid said, it doesn't make sense. (This is one time I would love to be wrong.)


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Diploid]
    #5566305 - 04/28/06 08:56 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yes and all that equiptment is picking stuff up!!!!

There are literally hundreds of craft reports that have been captured on radar both in the sky and on the ground.

If the pilots file a report - they are individually scrutinised. "You sure your eyes are fit for flying!". And the report goes no-where.

So its of no use either way.


Its near impossible to "scientifically verify an alien ship". You expect this to happen? Are scientists even studying these things (very few)?

You'd have to quantify it, meaning we'd have to capture one of the ships and then test the occupants DNA to proove thats its not human. Even if this happened, would they tell anybody?


Diploid, there is more evidence for E.T visiting Earth than there is for God. But you havn't seen it - so your logic denies it. This dualistic mindset will not help you ascertain the truth, because things are not simply this or that. We are working with the whole spectrum of posability here, and one things for certain - theres something unknown in our skies which is largely ignored or/and surpressed.


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Diploid]
    #5566325 - 04/28/06 09:04 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Theres many things that have suggested to me that another intelligence is present - have you seen the NASA video of a saucer on the moon?

The saucer is blatently sat on the moon!

Its on the Apollo 16 mission, the astronaut sees flashes coming from the darkside of the moon. In his 2nd orbit they ask him to watch again and he films the flashes. But not only does he get the flashes, a UFO appears flying alongside the flashes (This is not just the camera the astronaut sees this on the moon).

A bit later they see the saucer just sat there in the dark on the moon. They pan the camera and when they pan back the saucer has changed colour.

Theres such a weight of evidence with the UFO phenomena. You can believe that is all a big hoax if you want but I contend that you havn't even studied half of the available evidence. You certainly seem to of made your mind up that you don't believe ET is visiting Earth.

Watch 'Riddle of the skies' a channel 4 documentary.


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Ego Death]
    #5566345 - 04/28/06 09:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

BTW - four labs have already sent particles beyond the speed of light and we are still waiting for science to accept this new concept!

My grandad believed that flying machines were impossible. His logic told him 'how could something heavy like a machine possibly fly?'. You know what happened...


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Ego Death]
    #5566422 - 04/28/06 09:42 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

> Its near impossible to "scientifically verify an alien ship".

Only because of the lack of an actual alien ship to verify.

> Diploid, there is more evidence for E.T visiting Earth than there is for God.

Actually, I would say they are about equal in evidence. People want to believe.

> theres something unknown in our skies which is largely ignored or/and surpressed.

Unknown does not equal little grey aliens from Zandubar. I spent an entire semester looking for UFOs in a graduate level EE class. Odd but true. The focus of the class was filter design on DSPs. We were given hundreds of high quality scans of photos that were "UFOs" and had to design filters to bring out artifacts in the pictures to show they there were not UFOs. It is amazing to see the string holding up the UFO all the sudden come out, or the cut lines from a superimposed image all the sudden shine through like a halo.

> four labs have already sent particles beyond the speed of light and we are still waiting for science to accept this new concept!

Be careful of your claims here. They did not send particles faster than the speed of light. They have seen electormagnetic radiation apparently propagate faster than the speed of light. However, no information (this is impoprtant) has been demonstrated to travel faster than the speed of light. I am only aware of two studies, not four.

> My grandad believed that flying machines were impossible.

Good example. A lot of people believed that machine flight was impossible, but they were wrong. A lot of people believe in UFOs, but that doesn't mean that aliens are visiting us. Just because a lot of people believe in something does not mean that it is true, as science ultimately proved to your grandfather when planes became reality.


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Ego Death]
    #5567368 - 04/28/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yes and all that equiptment is picking stuff up!!!!

Actually, it's not.

It is often the case that a UFO proponent will stumble onto an image made by one of NASA's instruments observing our solar system that looks like this:



Notice how Mr. Birdsall, the editor of UFO magazine, states that this image is 'irrefutable evidence of UFOs' because it comes from an orbiting NASA instrument. This is classic 'wanting it to be true' rather than taking a hard, critical look at the evidence.

That 'object' is an artifact from a manufacturing imperfection in the CCD imaging chip used in the SOHO instrument's camera. All CCD imaging chips contain a few imperfections. When cameras and cell phones with these chips are manufactured, part of the process is to make a mathematical mapping of where the imperfections are so that, as the camera shoots pictures, it can compensate for the tiny flaws. Scientific instruments do not perform this compensation because the raw data, flaws and all, is more important than a pretty picture.

If you look at all 50 million or so images shot by the SOHO instrument, you will find the same 'irrefutable evidence of an alien ship' at the exact same pixel every time.

If the pilots file a report - they are individually scrutinized. "You sure your eyes are fit for flying!". And the report goes no-where.

Now you're making things up. I am a private pilot, so you can't bullshit me. This is my airplane:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/files/05-26/014498095-front_s.jpg

I've been flying for 20 years and I have yet to see anything in the sky that could have been an alien ship. Besides, if pilots really did see space ships often, one of them (or a passenger) would have shot a CRYSTAL CLEAR picture by now and sent it to CNN.

The reason this hasn't happened is because, when the object is far enough away and the lighting conditions are poor, it's a UFO, but when it gets close enough for a CRYSTAL CLEAR picture, the observer realizes it's actually some ordinary object and not worth photographing.

have you seen the NASA video of a saucer on the moon?

Link?


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


Edited by Diploid (04/28/06 05:48 PM)


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Seuss]
    #5572911 - 04/30/06 01:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I guess I just have to agree with most of the things that have been said by Seuss and Diploid...

Although I think there is probably a good chance that life exists outside of our galaxy, afterall, it is just a matter of a lot of time and a little luck :smile: the evidence just isn't there to back up claims of "visitation"... I can claim that I've had sex with supermodels, yet without pictures/video, who would believe me?

Evidence == Key

God vs. Aliens? I was going to say "WTF?" until I thought about it for a second and realized there are a lot of parallels...


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: absolute zero]
    #5576350 - 05/01/06 04:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

> I guess I just have to agree with most of the things that have been said by Seuss and Diploid...

That is just it... don't agree with us, or anybody else... rather, open your eyes and think for yourself! Both sides present good evidence. Personally, to me, it doesn't make sense that aliens would go to all the trouble of visiting us without making it known, unless they wanted to remain hidden... and if they have the technology to visit us, and they want to remain hidden, I don't think we would see anything at all. I will start to believe when an alien beams me up and probes my ... but I will always leave room for the posibility, small as it may be in my mind.


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Seuss]
    #5576592 - 05/01/06 08:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I talk to aliens everyday. THIS IS A FACT. Just yesterday I bought some gas and some cigarettes from them. I can put up pictures if someone wants me to prove it, you'll need to send me one of those $15 walmart digicams though so I can film it. They seem to like black women a lot, at least the aliens I know/have seen.


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Anonymous]
    #5590074 - 05/04/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

maybe they have tried to make it known but have been blocked from reACHING the masses like if nasa receives a some audio from e.t. do u really think theyd share it or be aloud to. our government fears its people.


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: Diploid]
    #5590297 - 05/04/06 02:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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have you seen the NASA video of a saucer on the moon?

Link?




http://ufocasebook.com/bestufopictures3.html

not a video, but i was interested and looked around on google and found that site w/ a few that are supposedly from the Apollo missions. If they've been tampered with who knows...

edit: after a little more searching i found this: http://www.geocities.com/futureshock2000/apollo16ufo.zip

Looks like it could be easily faked though, IMO


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Re: What do you think about this? [Re: morphius2661]
    #5590510 - 05/04/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

wow alot of neat photos on that site


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