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Re: Shame [Re: dblaney]
    #5563632 - 04/27/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

This morality sounds suspiciously like Hedonism. :wink:

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Re: Shame [Re: Veritas]
    #5563673 - 04/27/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Which one? The self-interest one or the feral child one?


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Re: Shame [Re: dblaney]
    #5563709 - 04/27/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Self-interest:
one could call anything that fulfilled any desire "good" and anything that they were averse to "bad".

Feral child:
good" or "right" would be anything that they derived pleasure from and that didn't cause a negative, or excessively negative repercussion.




http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post4300784

Same same. :shrug:

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Re: Shame [Re: Veritas]
    #5563755 - 04/27/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Indeed, although in both cases I think it would be more of a secondary hedonism, as the survival of the organism would come before pursuit of pleasure, and ensuring survival isn't always pleasurable, though sometimes it is.


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"Belief is a beautiful armor
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Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: Shame [Re: dblaney]
    #5563762 - 04/27/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

If the greatest good is experiencing pleasure, wouldn't continuing our ability to experience (i.e. surviving), be central to hedonism?

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Re: Shame [Re: Veritas]
    #5564019 - 04/27/06 06:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah that would make sense.


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- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: Shame [Re: dblaney]
    #5565049 - 04/27/06 10:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

it is to be remembered that the genetic code--is engrained so as fear is part of our way--this from he need to survive...in adverse circumstance--over 1ooo's of years---when all seeming obsticles are removed (reasons to fear)it still exists--so as leaving he mind open to place this un-located energy of fear...so thus comes religion and such to so clae save us from our own predisposition--our genetic code (to say)..never will happen--consciousness is needed to move through this moal/amoral saga...just as consciouness allowed us fear--so alow us--???? the ability to adapt to a stimuli...this is health..inability--dis'ease.


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